2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

lovegtm

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These brackets and injuries are going about as well for the Cs as they possibly could have, so far.
 

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This is pretty much your ceiling when Trae Young is your best player.
Point taken, but we already know that the ceiling with Trae is "flukey ECF run, and probably should make the Finals except can't beat a Giannis-less Bucks team after going up in the series"
 

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"Stepped on his foot" is that what we're calling this?

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That's about as fluky an injury as it gets. Caruso played 71 games this year, which was a career high - this is the sort of bad luck that only seems to hit guys already prone to injury.
WTF. I'm trying to imagine how angry I would have gotten watching Grant Williams do that to Marcus Smart last year. (There's nobody on the current team who fits the Great Oaf role well enough for the comparison to Drummond to work.)
 

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Am I the only one seeing Drummond bust it upcourt recognizing that Fernando is beating him to the rim…..while Caruso is I don’t know what he’s doing?
 

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Am I the only one seeing Drummond bust it upcourt recognizing that Fernando is beating him to the rim…..while Caruso is I don’t know what he’s doing?
I agree Drummond is making an effort to get back and Caruso is just standing around, Drummond probably can't see him around the offensive player until too late. Not sure why Caruso isn't helping on D until the big can get back anyway?
 

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Am I the only one seeing Drummond bust it upcourt recognizing that Fernando is beating him to the rim…..while Caruso is I don’t know what he’s doing?
Agreed. Who is it that Caruso is defending, while going the opposite direction of everyone else on the court? Weird. Is there a Hawk just standing in their defensive halfcourt out of the frame he was minding (Trae?)
 

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The 76ers Heat looked like 7-8 play in game. The Heat looked awful on defense, poorly coached even. Embiid doesn't have the wind yet to compete and got saved by Batum. If Embiid doesn't catch up soon, the Knicks are going to grind the 76ers to nothing.
 

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Maybe he was trying to check the ball handler around half court?
I assume that was his plan, but the weird part is re-watch the clip. The reason he gets run over is Drummond can't see him, but he doesn't see Drummond because he's got his head completely turned looking at the sideline, it's very weird. I have no clue what he's doing. He goes to midcourt, gets in the crouch, Fernando runs right by him, but he's also not looking at Murray who is like at the FT line walking it up, he's staring to his left.

Mostly just a freak accident, but not sure you can blame Drummond, I doubt he can see Caruso around Fernando until it's too late to stop 6'11" 280 moving that fast, he tries to go around him but can't and Caruso just completely oblivious he's coming.
 

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The 76ers Heat looked like 7-8 play in game. The Heat looked awful on defense, poorly coached even. Embiid doesn't have the wind yet to compete and got saved by Batum. If Embiid doesn't catch up soon, the Knicks are going to grind the 76ers to nothing.
It’s more than wind, Embiid can’t leave his feet either. He’s basically 2022 Robert Williams in terms of knee power.
 

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Is Robinson hurt? Or was he just benched?
DNP-CD. He scored 10 points against Houston on April 5th, that's the only time he's been in double digits in the past month (.222 from 3 over that stretch). He'll certainly play tomorrow now, especially if Rozier is still out as their only hope really is that he gets hot.

I'll rarely root for injuries (and this definitely isn't one of those times), but there's something fitting about Miami being on the edge in part because of a major injury to star player. Major injuries to Giannis and Tatum last Spring are a pretty large footnote to their incredible run to the finals last year.
 

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I assume that was his plan, but the weird part is re-watch the clip. The reason he gets run over is Drummond can't see him, but he doesn't see Drummond because he's got his head completely turned looking at the sideline, it's very weird. I have no clue what he's doing. He goes to midcourt, gets in the crouch, Fernando runs right by him, but he's also not looking at Murray who is like at the FT line walking it up, he's staring to his left.

Mostly just a freak accident, but not sure you can blame Drummond, I doubt he can see Caruso around Fernando until it's too late to stop 6'11" 280 moving that fast, he tries to go around him but can't and Caruso just completely oblivious he's coming.
Bigger clip below. Caruso was looking at the ball handler as I presume that's who he's going to guard. Drummond was focused on Fernando as HRB says but he should have seen Caruso.

Caruso out with a pretty severe ankle sprain according to Woj. Doubtful for Friday. The MIA-CHI game is going to be ugly.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv3JYlFhNtQ
 

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Bigger clip below. Caruso was looking at the ball handler as I presume that's who he's going to guard. Drummond was focused on Fernando as HRB says but he should have seen Caruso.

Caruso out with a pretty severe ankle sprain according to Woj. Doubtful for Friday. The MIA-CHI game is going to be ugly.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv3JYlFhNtQ
He turns his head way too much to be just looking at the ball, then is coming back to Murray, can't tell if he was checking to see if the wing got picked up, or looking to the coach, or maybe the other defender on the wing said something to him. But yeah, just two guys looking the wrong way colliding.
 

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So sad i dont get to see 5 time "should be" nba champion jimmy butler in these playoffs.
 

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He turns his head way too much to be just looking at the ball, then is coming back to Murray, can't tell if he was checking to see if the wing got picked up, or looking to the coach, or maybe the other defender on the wing said something to him. But yeah, just two guys looking the wrong way colliding.
Looks to me that he's looking at the guy on the wing to make sure he knows what's going on to that side - whether he's going to keep running or set a pick or what not.

But what do I know? :)
 

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I think it's at least worth noting that having played like garbage for the entire first half (outside the game's first 6 minutes where their defense was on lock), and getting booed by their own fans as they left for halftime, the Sixers turned it around and wore the Heat down throughout the second half. While their comeback getting completed may have been down to Nic Batum suddenly hitting all his threes, they played a lot better on both ends of the court and created the opportunity where they only needed a little luck to save them.

Embiid didn't have the energy for very many drives, but the ones he did have were generally pretty successful. Paul Reed did a pretty good job of rim-protecting while Embiid was out, including some blocks and altered shots. With one exception I can think of (Butler all alone in the corner), all the outside shots Philadelphia conceded were decently contested, and they slowed the fast break points that had killed them in the first half down to a trickle. They still struggled against the zone for most of the 3Q, but were able to get it in rotation a few times, draw a foul a few times, and went from "looks like they've never seen one before", in the first half, to "semi-effective against it" in the second half.

Some decent coaching by Nick Nurse in that game, which made up for the lack of preparation that seemed apparent and could also be laid at Nurse's feet, but still, they got it done.

(and if the game was 3 seconds longer, the Heat would've had a shot to win it at the buzzer, as a Maxey/Embiid confusion on the final inbounds got deflected for a turnover... but the clock ran out)
 

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Maybe if he actually showed up in the regular season they wouldn't have to worry about a play-in game. Hmm.
I also hope in the GS season debrief they note that if Draymond had not dumedassed his way to suspension they might not have been in a one game and out situation
 

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I think it's at least worth noting that having played like garbage for the entire first half (outside the game's first 6 minutes where their defense was on lock), and getting booed by their own fans as they left for halftime, the Sixers turned it around and wore the Heat down throughout the second half. While their comeback getting completed may have been down to Nic Batum suddenly hitting all his threes, they played a lot better on both ends of the court and created the opportunity where they only needed a little luck to save them.

Embiid didn't have the energy for very many drives, but the ones he did have were generally pretty successful. Paul Reed did a pretty good job of rim-protecting while Embiid was out, including some blocks and altered shots. With one exception I can think of (Butler all alone in the corner), all the outside shots Philadelphia conceded were decently contested, and they slowed the fast break points that had killed them in the first half down to a trickle. They still struggled against the zone for most of the 3Q, but were able to get it in rotation a few times, draw a foul a few times, and went from "looks like they've never seen one before", in the first half, to "semi-effective against it" in the second half.

Some decent coaching by Nick Nurse in that game, which made up for the lack of preparation that seemed apparent and could also be laid at Nurse's feet, but still, they got it done.

(and if the game was 3 seconds longer, the Heat would've had a shot to win it at the buzzer, as a Maxey/Embiid confusion on the final inbounds got deflected for a turnover... but the clock ran out)
They won by one in a game where Butler was completely hobbled down the stretch. Butler stood in the corner on several possessions and was basically a decoy.. so only Herro was basically shooting.. and he was left wide open a few times. For as good a coach as Spoelstra is.. not sure why he didn’t take Butler out earlier.. not that Robinson is the answer but at least he wasn’t hobbled and could shoot threes credibly, which is what they seemingly needed.

Embiid has looked exhausted after every game, I’ll be interested to see if a seven game series cures him miraculously or exhausts him further.. if I were a betting man I know where my money would be. And it’s my opinion he shouldn’t be playing on that knee yet given how much it’s braced and how little movement/lift he’s able to generate.
 

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Sure, but they also came back from a 14-point 2H deficit, much of which while Butler was still playing and effective. I just don't want to devalue their efforts and what they showed last night, even if I'm loathe to give Embiid credit for anything. They solved a lot of problems in a hurry, with a clock loudly ticking on their season. Solved them enough to give the Knicks a series, nevermind the Bucks or Celtics? I dunno. But this wasn't a game where they were just chucking the whole time, and it bounced out in the first half and went in in the second half. Lots of things changed at halftime, and that was notable to me.
 

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I think it's at least worth noting that having played like garbage for the entire first half (outside the game's first 6 minutes where their defense was on lock), and getting booed by their own fans as they left for halftime, the Sixers turned it around and wore the Heat down throughout the second half. While their comeback getting completed may have been down to Nic Batum suddenly hitting all his threes, they played a lot better on both ends of the court and created the opportunity where they only needed a little luck to save them.

Embiid didn't have the energy for very many drives, but the ones he did have were generally pretty successful. Paul Reed did a pretty good job of rim-protecting while Embiid was out, including some blocks and altered shots. With one exception I can think of (Butler all alone in the corner), all the outside shots Philadelphia conceded were decently contested, and they slowed the fast break points that had killed them in the first half down to a trickle. They still struggled against the zone for most of the 3Q, but were able to get it in rotation a few times, draw a foul a few times, and went from "looks like they've never seen one before", in the first half, to "semi-effective against it" in the second half.

Some decent coaching by Nick Nurse in that game, which made up for the lack of preparation that seemed apparent and could also be laid at Nurse's feet, but still, they got it done.

(and if the game was 3 seconds longer, the Heat would've had a shot to win it at the buzzer, as a Maxey/Embiid confusion on the final inbounds got deflected for a turnover... but the clock ran out)
MIA scored 17 points off 11 PHI TOs in the 1st half. Some of the TOs were horrific. And as Nurse said in one of his interviews, the problem was that PHI was just standing around trying (and failing) to throw the ball around the zone instead of attacking the zone through dribbling and then trying to pass the ball.

MIA scored 5 points off 8 PHI TOs in the 2nd half.

(In addition, PHI scored 2 pts off MIA TOs in the 1st half but 14 pts in the 2nd half as MIA had to play more half-court offense.)

MIA had to get out in transition to score. They weren't going to win playing half-court. Yes they came close but only because PHI played a horrific 1st half for whatever reason.
 

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Sure, but they also came back from a 14-point 2H deficit, much of which while Butler was still playing and effective. I just don't want to devalue their efforts and what they showed last night, even if I'm loathe to give Embiid credit for anything. They solved a lot of problems in a hurry, with a clock loudly ticking on their season. Solved them enough to give the Knicks a series, nevermind the Bucks or Celtics? I dunno. But this wasn't a game where they were just chucking the whole time, and it bounced out in the first half and went in in the second half. Lots of things changed at halftime, and that was notable to me.
Fair points.. but it’s a bridge too far for me to try and see this game as a positive going forward against the Knicks. Miami was the 8 seed for a reason and without Rozier they were even worse.. Philly did come back but I think you could argue they should never have been down that much to Miami to begin with. I guess we’ll see going forward.. glad that one less of Philly or the knicks will come out of that series though.
 

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Sure, but they also came back from a 14-point 2H deficit, much of which while Butler was still playing and effective. I just don't want to devalue their efforts and what they showed last night, even if I'm loathe to give Embiid credit for anything. They solved a lot of problems in a hurry, with a clock loudly ticking on their season. Solved them enough to give the Knicks a series, nevermind the Bucks or Celtics? I dunno. But this wasn't a game where they were just chucking the whole time, and it bounced out in the first half and went in in the second half. Lots of things changed at halftime, and that was notable to me.
Embiid is just an impossible variable here. On one hand, he looks incredibly slow (especially on defense). On the other hand, he still averaged 30/9/5 with a TS% of .641 after coming back in the regular season, and Philly has won 9 straight games (and they might have needed all of those wins in order to make the playoffs). Does he look slow and winded because he's rusty and/or out of shape (in which case someone could argue that he'll get stronger as the playoffs go on)? Or does he look slow and winded because he's still hurt (in which case this either ends with him getting re-injured badly enough to knock him out for good, or Philly eventually crumbles when they come across a team that can play on both ends of the floor).

Embiid's uncertainty is why Philly has (to me) the highest ceiling in the east outside Boston, but could easily lose to the Knicks in 5.
 

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I think Brunson just destroys Embiid on switches and the physicality of New York's guards keep Maxey in check and Knicks roll Philly.
 
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I like Brunson just destroys Embiid on switches and the physicality of New York's guards keep Maxey in check and Knicks roll Philly.
I have a healthy respect for Embiid, but I do agree there's a good chance that NY has the best player in this series, and that matters given the rest of the rosters.
 

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I have a healthy respect for Embiid, but I do agree there's a good chance that NY has the best player in this series, and that matters given the rest of the rosters.
Hartenstein is going to be problem for Embiid and Philly if Embiid can't box out or defend down low.