Richard Sherman doesn't approve but who cares what he thinks.https://www.foxnews.com/sports/cam-newton-patriots-salary-appears-irk-49ers-richard-sherman
Because so much of his cap hit for the upcoming year will actually fall in 2021, it's hard to set the option. Sure, if he'd be willing to take incredibly low money for another year hooray. But the Pats would be in the same spot with Cam next year that they were with Brady this year, where their ability to put new money in his hands next year was limited by the amount of the cap hit. Even under your model with a $20M option, that's $27.5M in cap hit for 2021 (assuming he hits the incentives this year). That's not a lot of excess value.Should we have a half-hearted word of criticism for BB not including a (decently-priced but somewhat discounted, maybe fully guaranteed) 2021 team option in this deal? Like, OK he's on an incentive-laden deal, if he's healthy and rocks out he could earn $7.5 in 2020, nearly all against the 2021 cap. That's our upside, near-pro-bowl level production for no cap this year. But if he does all that, it sure would have been nice to have a (say) $20M fully-guaranteed option year sitting there to capture a little more upside. I'd say Revis style, except Revis's was designed to be a poison pill, but there's a number that probably makes sense as a floor under Cam, where if he earns it he can bank on a damn good payday but we still get another year of good QB production for at least a little below market.
If we had the leverage to get him to sign for the minimum this year, I have to imagine that was in the realm of possibility negotiations-wise.
Should we have a half-hearted word of criticism for BB not including a (decently-priced but somewhat discounted, maybe fully guaranteed) 2021 team option in this deal? Like, OK he's on an incentive-laden deal, if he's healthy and rocks out he could earn $7.5 in 2020, nearly all against the 2021 cap. That's our upside, near-pro-bowl level production for no cap this year. But if he does all that, it sure would have been nice to have a (say) $20M fully-guaranteed option year sitting there to capture a little more upside. I'd say Revis style, except Revis's was designed to be a poison pill, but there's a number that probably makes sense as a floor under Cam, where if he earns it he can bank on a damn good payday but we still get another year of good QB production for at least a little below market.
If we had the leverage to get him to sign for the minimum this year, I have to imagine that was in the realm of possibility negotiations-wise.
Hoyer still has the same chance to compete for the job, he hasn't been cut, if he is somehow significantly better than both of them in camp he's going to start.3. Hoyer. I'd like to think the whole "chance to compete" is him being the good solider and he came here knowing he'd be holding a clipboard. But, if they did legit promise him a chance at the job, then he's going to PO'ed at this signing, because now he probably has no chance, and that doesn't look good for future free agents that may sign.
Any QB who can produce with the WR corps that Auburn typically has (apologies to Sammie Coates and...um...Courtney Taylor? Duke Williams?) is NFL worthy.This seems like a typical BB move. Low risk, high reward, roster competition, etc and it's growing on me. If he's healthy, he will be a factor. However, I just can't get over him not diving on that ball in the Super Bowl. I'm also very bullish on Stidham and think he will do well here.
If nothing else, we've cornered the market on Auburn quarterbacks and we should start scouting them for future draft picks. #WarEagle
Newton would be in month 6 of post-surgical recovery?The quarterback underwent surgery for his Lisfranc injury back in December and has not been able to show how his recovery is progressing due to the league’s shifting landscape in wake of the coronavirus pandemic. This surely played a significant part in why he was still available after being cut over three months ago, given personnel departments couldn’t bring the signal-caller in for workouts and get a closer look at how the foot injury may still be impacting him.
Lisfranc injuries have traditionally been tough for NFL players to recover from, especially in a relatively quick fashion. According to a study released in 2018 of 35 players to suffer one, 29 were able to continue their career after an average recovery time of 10 months, but overall started fewer games than before the injury in the three years following it and many “showed a significant decline in performance one season after return compared to preinjury levels”, with offensive players tending to suffer more substantial performance drops than defensive players.
Shouldn't rule them out taking 3 QBs given the Rona. But it's going to be an uphill battle for him to see the field.Hoyer still has the same chance to compete for the job, he hasn't been cut, if he is somehow significantly better than both of them in camp he's going to start.
Stidham had Darius Slayton and Seth Williams (who is projected as a possible 1st rounder in 2021).Any QB who can produce with the WR corps that Auburn typically has (apologies to Sammie Coates and...um...Courtney Taylor? Duke Williams?) is NFL worthy.
I'm not sure how to feel right now. I'm excited and terrified of this as an Auburn fan and a Patriots fan at the same time. It's like watching Gus Malzahn coach that way.
No matter what happens, I guarantee that Cam Newton will be better for the Patriots than Jonathan Wilhite was.
I have zero idea whether Newton is healthy. That clearly stated, I wonder a bit about that study. Wouldn’t most samples of NFL players show a decline in games started three years later? Guys just don’t hold up very long in the NFL.
Apologies if I missed it, but have we heard anything on if rosters will be expanded to combat players needing a couple weeks off?Shouldn't rule them out taking 3 QBs given the Rona. But it's going to be an uphill battle for him to see the field.
Slayton wouldn’t shock me if he became a decent NFL contributor for a few years. I’m no Mascho, obviously, but I’ve watched 98% of football Auburn games outside of since around 1999, and Seth Williams doesn’t even register in my mind after I read this.Stidham had Darius Slayton and Seth Williams (who is projected as a possible 1st rounder in 2021).
Newton on the other hand dragged a pile of garbage to the title.
I for one, would not trade away a Superbowl run to learn more about Stidham.1. If he's good, and that's a big if coming off of Linsfranc then sure, we may have a superbowl run. But we'll be in the same spot we are now next year, not knowing if Stidham can do the job and/or knowing he can't and be stuck.
Williams put up 58/830/8 last year, that's better than Reagor who went 1st round in a historically loaded WR draft, and better than Shenault who went 42. He could fall off a cliff, but even similar production next year puts him in the first 2 rounds likely.Slayton wouldn’t shock me if he became a decent NFL contributor for a few years. I’m no Mascho, obviously, but I’ve watched 98% of football Auburn games outside of since around 1999, and Seth Williams doesn’t even register in my mind after I read this.
If Seth Williams produces enough in the parallel universe that gets to have a 2020 college football season to become a 1st round pick, I will be happily surprised and will eat my words above.
Upon further review, I appear to have blanked on the fact that Slayton was already gone last season, and it was Williams who was the go-to guy in 2019. I guess I let my rage level for Malzahn's offense by mid-season blind me to key details on the field, like who was actually making plays and how often they did so. So, that's my fault for conflating the 2018 and 2019 WR talent.Williams put up 58/830/8 last year, that's better than Reagor who went 1st round in a historically loaded WR draft, and better than Shenault who went 42. He could fall off a cliff, but even similar production next year puts him in the first 2 rounds likely.
Dr. Robert Anderson, who I guess is the foot/ankle guru, says Lisfranc surgeries are a 5-6 month rehab process. I'm wondering if Forbes is using 10 months since most players go on IR after the surgery, so they're essentially out for the entire season?
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-orthopedic-surgeon-lisfranc-foot-ailment-is-bizarre-injury-0ap2000000281549There are situations where the Lisfranc needs to be operated on. If the joint is out of place or has a bone injury or has significant instability, then those are reasons for surgery and surgery is basically done to stabilize those joint injuries with a combination of screws or metal plates. That can take 5-6 months to recover from surgery. I tell most of the players, it's not a career-ending injury, but it certainly can be a season-ending injury if they have to have surgery.
One of those wins came on a pretty dubious picked up flag. I mean Luke Kuechly committed a penalty, was flagged for a penalty, and then it got picked up for some reason.Of the 121 quarterbacks Brady has faced in his career (not counting cameo appearances by backups), there are only 7 he has never beaten, 4 of which he's faced only once:
Lamar Jackson: 0-1
Nick Foles: 0-1
Kevin Kolb (!): 0-1
Patrick Ramsey: 0-1
Brian Griese: 0-2
Jake Plummer: 0-3
And, Cam Newton: 0-2
Of the 3 active QB's on that list (bolded), Newton is the only one that has beaten Brady more than once. And fuck the Broncos!!
How in the world does Tom Brady go 0-5 against Brian Griese and Jake Plummer? Boggles the mind.Of the 121 quarterbacks Brady has faced in his career (not counting cameo appearances by backups), there are only 7 he has never beaten, 4 of which he's faced only once:
Lamar Jackson: 0-1
Nick Foles: 0-1
Kevin Kolb (!): 0-1
Patrick Ramsey: 0-1
Brian Griese: 0-2
Jake Plummer: 0-3
And, Cam Newton: 0-2
Of the 3 active QB's on that list (bolded), Newton is the only one that has beaten Brady more than once. And fuck the Broncos!!
ESPN breaks down his stats for less than 40 degrees, so that's the best we can do. Here's his numbers:One more reason to like the move is it creates a ton of uncertainty for opposing defenses. If they thought they had a handle on the Pats' offense, now they have to start from scratch which is nice given the familiarity within the AFC and the AFC East in particular. A secondary bonus is the relative unfamilarity with Newton in the AFC since he played in the other conference. Should be an edge - particularly in the early part of the season.
Are there any numbers on Newton in cold weather?
Because he wasn't playing against them ... he was playing against the opposing defenses.How in the world does Tom Brady go 0-5 against Brian Griese and Jake Plummer? Boggles the mind.
Then there's really no point in any conversation about Brady having any W-L record against any particular quarterback.Because he wasn't playing against them ... he was playing against the opposing defenses.
Exactly.Then there's really no point in any conversation about Brady having any W-L record against any particular quarterback.
GP | ATT | CMP | CMP% | YRDS | Y/A | AY/A | TD | INT | RUSH YD | RUSH TD |
9 | 292 | 200 | 68.5 | 2086 | 7.14 | 7.54 | 17 | 5 | 352 | 4 |
Cam wanted to go to a team where he'd be the starter. You could see some teams being reluctant with him coming off the injuries.In the first round of speculation on whether BB would bring CN in, those numbers are exactly why it made sense. That's an elite QB. I can't believe some other team didn't jump in. It's incredible that his salary finally dropped to a space that allowed BB to make his move. I mentioned this long ago, but BB remembers the players who did damage against the Pats and it seems to color his view on their abilities (as it should - but he seems to give it a special point of emphasis). CN's another one of those players.
Especially when they couldn't even give him a physical.Cam wanted to go to a team where he'd be the starter. You could see some teams being reluctant with him coming off the injuries.
Hahahaha that's a great post.No, Tom. You dont get to breakup with Jules, and then get jealous when he gets another hot girlfriend.
Keep those thirsty messages for Evans and Godwin.
I mean, that's news, but I can't see that happening.
I can see it happening. The cap is wide open next year, if Cam is pre-injury 2018 Cam, you either tag or extend him, that's a top 7-9 QB.I mean, that's news, but I can't see that happening.
Seriously, I love Tom, but this was the first time since he’s been gone that I really was offput and wanted him to shut the fuck up.No, Tom. You dont get to breakup with Jules, and then get jealous when he gets another hot girlfriend.
Keep those thirsty messages for Evans and Godwin.
That's very surprising. Given the discount and need to reset his market, it's odd that CN didn't include language that would allow him to take full advantage of a potential market reset. Concession due to injury concerns?
If someone said “the Broncos have been the Pats’ worthiest rival over the past two decades,” you would agree with that, right?How in the world does Tom Brady go 0-5 against Brian Griese and Jake Plummer? Boggles the mind.
Not worth using any of his leverage to obtain. The Pats aren’t going to sign up for a $34 million cap hit for Newton in 2021. And no one’s going to agree to a tag-and-trade without a deal with Newton in place. Better to use whatever leverage he had to push for richer incentives.That's very surprising. Given the discount and need to reset his market, it's odd that CN didn't include language that would allow him to take full advantage of a potential market reset. Concession due to injury concerns?
I wish Jules had replied "Who dis? New number"
Agree to disagree, that NE might tag him and have a $30M hold on the cap.I can see it happening. The cap is wide open next year, if Cam is pre-injury 2018 Cam, you either tag or extend him, that's a top 7-9 QB.
There's a long way to go before we really have to think about this but, theoretically, I don't see why not. First the incentives for this season are irrelevant. The Pats will be on the hook for those no matter what. The question will be if Newton is worth the $27 M (or whatever the tag ends up). At this point, I would say it is a long shot but not going to rule it out at this point.Not worth using any of his leverage to obtain. The Pats aren’t going to sign up for a $34 million cap hit for Newton in 2021. And no one’s going to agree to a tag-and-trade without a deal with Newton in place. Better to use whatever leverage he had to push for richer incentives.
The $7 million is sunk, but you’re still talking about $34 million in space tied for a single player, against a cap that’s likely to decline at least modestly in 2021 due to COVID-related revenue losses in 2020. I don’t see how the Pats take that on and still field a competitive team. So if Cam is good and the Pats want him back, they have to work out a long-term deal that gets his 2021 cap hit down to something more manageable.There's a long way to go before we really have to think about this but, theoretically, I don't see why not. First the incentives for this season are irrelevant. The Pats will be on the hook for those no matter what. The question will be if Newton is worth the $27 M (or whatever the tag ends up). At this point, I would say it is a long shot but not going to rule it out at this point.
They have like $90M in cap space next year before any other moves or manipulations. If he plays like old Cam, they'll find a way.The $7 million is sunk, but you’re still talking about $34 million in space tied for a single player, against a cap that’s likely to decline at least modestly in 2021 due to COVID-related revenue losses in 2020. I don’t see how the Pats take that on and still field a competitive team. So if Cam is good and the Pats want him back, they have to work out a long-term deal that gets his 2021 cap hit down to something more manageable.