I'm kind of excited to see it. Check back with me at game 5 though!
I'm kind of excited to see it. Check back with me at game 5 though!
I realize that. I meant that Brady apparently had tennis elbow in 2019 and it was limiting him (at least during practice) more so than during a regular NFL season. I could be wrong on that though.There is no such thing as a "healthy" season in the NFL if you define it that way. If you can play in most of the games it's a healthy season. I mean the "healthy" Newton season above was 14 games (he was shut down for the last 2) and he was on the injury report with a shoulder injury from October onward.
I get that, but it's generally the case. I doubt Brady's elbow last year was any worse than Newton's shoulder in 2018 where he was hurt all year then had surgery after game 15.I realize that. I meant that Brady apparently had tennis elbow in 2019 and it was limiting him (at least during practice) more so than during a regular NFL season. I could be wrong on that though.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00.htmthe season you listed was the only one of Cam's career with a completion percentage above 60% apart from 2013; that was an absolutely atypical season for him, and I would not base my expectations on that.Not a big Cam guy here, but let's compare these two QB's last healthy seasons....
Newton (2018): 67.9%, 7.2 y/a, 24 td, 13 int, 94.2 rating, add in 488 yds rushing and 4 td
Brady (2019): 60.8%, 6.6 y/a, 24 td, 8 int, 88.0 rating, and obviously gives you nothing in the run game
I'm still a bit wary of calling the OL anything but suspect at this point (Thuney's status, Andrews', Cannon's and Mason's health) although of course they have the potential to be good if all are healthy. While it may appear to be a freak season, there's also the chance that it's a new baseline for Newton as the shift in comp % may be the result of a QB given a different set of tools and the realization that he can save himself a substantial amount of wear and tear by holding onto the ball less (I'm going by the assumption that the time it takes for a short yardage play to develop is less than the longer game).I don't think there's any denying that Cam has talent. Call it a freak season, but clearly his upside is elite. I wouldn't expect anywhere near his upside if he were to join the Patriots, but it is reasonable to think that he could be at least *good*. Put a good QB with the defense and offensive line that they have and that's a pretty good team.
Nonetheless, I expect (and want) it to be Stidham.
You compare it to OLs around the NFL and it's a quality unit. And depth should be much improved this year.I'm still a bit wary of calling the OL anything but suspect at this point (Thuney's status, Andrews', Cannon's and Mason's health) although of course they have the potential to be good if all are healthy.
Carolina also switched OCs that year. I know people make fun of Norv for his lack of head coaching success, but the dude can OC.While it may appear to be a freak season, there's also the chance that it's a new baseline for Newton as the shift in comp % may be the result of a QB given a different set of tools and the realization that he can save himself a substantial amount of wear and tear by holding onto the ball less (I'm going by the assumption that the time it takes for a short yardage play to develop is less than the longer game).
It is absolutely worth discussion until Cam signs somewhere or the Pats get a proven starting calibre QB. With that said, it’s pretty likely that we go into 2020 season with Stidham/Hoyer but neither is an attractive enough option not to keep looking for an upgrade.I know we are all desperate for sports stuff to talk about but I would put the chances of a Cam signing at way under 1%. Doesn't seem worth discussion IMO
You should probably get some sleep.I am probably delusional: I was wondering late last night why TB12 would do make the jump to the Bucs. It seems so out of character and it's an enormous risk. A 43 yo, immobile QB learning a new system with a franchise that has OL problems, no pass catching RBs and (admittedly excellent) receivers who run vertical, big routes. Doesn't seem to play to his skill set. This led me to wonder....Is JS4 the better QB right now? Would he have beaten out TB12 in TC. If both he and BB knew it, TB12 was subject to the same fate as his predecessor Drew Bledsoe. Seems unlikely but I couldn't sleep last night and this thought popped into my head.
Maybe JS4>TB12, at least right now.
Crazy? Probably.
There was a time in Blount's Port Cellar when the idea of the Celts acquiring Kyrie Irving was considered unthinkable. Forgetting how we feel about the trade now, it did happen despite the consensus there.I know we are all desperate for sports stuff to talk about but I would put the chances of a Cam signing at way under 1%. Doesn't seem worth discussion IMO
Would you know more about someone after 1 year or 2 years? I know I'd feel more comfortable with my evaluation if I'm allowed more time to make it.Cam on a 1 year make good deal then puts the 2021 Pats, with better cap space situation, back to going with untested QB? I don't see it.
About the same odds as Tom Brady signing with the Tampa Bay fking Bucs a few months ago.I know we are all desperate for sports stuff to talk about but I would put the chances of a Cam signing at way under 1%. Doesn't seem worth discussion IMO
If we bring in Cam and he plays well and signs somewhere else for big money, then we roll into 2021 still unsure about what Stidham can do in actual games. Of course I understand that would give BB 2 years of watching him, but it would still all be offseason and preseason stuff. And that will be heading into a season where the Patriots should be in better cap shape, etc.Would you know more about someone after 1 year or 2 years? I know I'd feel more comfortable with my evaluation if I'm allowed more time to make it.
There's one conspicuously missing in that list...Ok, discuss away I guess.
This was in Curran's latest
"I do remember getting strong, “That’s not gonna happen,” signals from Foxboro when I asked about non-Brady plans. The Patriots, I was told, wouldn’t be pursuing a mid-tier veteran quarterback — Dalton, Marcus Mariota, Nick Foles, Teddy Bridgewater — you name it. "
Well, they pretty much saw only off-season and pre-season stuff from Jimmy G. He had multiple years of limited action until the suspension. The bonus of throwing Cam out there is that you get to evaluate Cam in your system so you could actually extend him precisely when you'll have the cap space to do so. If you throw Stidham out there and he's terrible, then you're going into an off-season with cap space still, but without a QB AND not knowing how Newton might perform in the system (assuming he's available then).If we bring in Cam and he plays well and signs somewhere else for big money, then we roll into 2021 still unsure about what Stidham can do in actual games. Of course I understand that would give BB 2 years of watching him, but it would still all be offseason and preseason stuff. And that will be heading into a season where the Patriots should be in better cap shape, etc.
I agree that this makes the most sense given the reasons you've stated. And he's a big star and LA demands stars.I assume Cam ends up in LA, they can afford to pay him well, have good talent, and his only competition is Tyrod Taylor a career backup who is the same age as Cam.
I’m stone cold sober and agree all aroundI've had a few drinks so will keep this short out of fear that I might step in shit.
I would rather see what they have in Stidham than go with Newton. Stidham has gotten high praise from some Pats players and there's at least the chance that he is the real deal. Cam Newton is an extremely talented player who has never quite put it all together. And who seems already to be on the downside. I have a hard time believing he will somehow become a great QB under Belichick. I have to admit, however,that the thought is enticing, especially if he can be had at short money. But in the end I hope that they give Stidham every shot to be successful. and stay away from Cam Newton.
So I hope that is cogent. I'm not totally sure.
I agree with most of this, but the bolded just can't be true. In his MVP year he had a 35/10 TD/int ratio and a 99.4 QB rating, along with 10 rushing TDs and 635 rushing yards. His AV in 2015 was 20, a number Brady has beaten just twice (24 in 2007 and 21 in 2011). He did it all with a pretty crappy set of offensive skill players (Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn and Jericho Cotchery had the most catches and the RBs were Jonathan Stewart and Mike Tolbert). He did put it all together (and made it to the Super Bowl), but he couldn't sustain it. No surprise given the way he plays. When he puts it together he's perhaps the most physical rushing QB of all time. Sadly his injury and aging curve just doesn't make him look like a good fit here, and that's before you get to play style.I've had a few drinks so will keep this short out of fear that I might step in shit.
I would rather see what they have in Stidham than go with Newton. Stidham has gotten high praise from some Pats players and there's at least the chance that he is the real deal. Cam Newton is an extremely talented player who has never quite put it all together. And who seems already to be on the downside. I have a hard time believing he will somehow become a great QB under Belichick. I have to admit, however,that the thought is enticing, especially if he can be had at short money. But in the end I hope that they give Stidham every shot to be successful. and stay away from Cam Newton.
So I hope that is cogent. I'm not totally sure.
I heard that while driving to work today ... first time I'd laugh that loud in a weekColin Cowherd reported TODAY that the Patriots will not pursue Teddy Bridgewater.
GJGE Colin.
That he won't resign in Houston and the Pats will need a QB.I don’t get the Watson rumblings. Saw somewhere the Pats had the best odds to land him as starter in 2021. Where is that coming from??
Why wouldn’t he sign there? Friction with BoB / Hopkins trade?That he won't resign in Houston and the Pats will need a QB.
Yes.Why wouldn’t he sign there? Friction with BoB / Hopkins trade?
Just because I was curious and looked it up:I know people make fun of Norv for his lack of head coaching success, but the dude can OC.
YEAR TEA PO PTS YDS YPP
2019 CAR OC 20th 19th 25th
2018 CAR OC 15th 10th 9th
2016 MIN OC 23rd 28th 29th
2015 MIN OC 16th 29th 25th
2014 MIN OC 20th 27th 27th
2013 CLE OC 27th 18th 24th
2012 SDC HC 20th 31st 30th
2011 SDC HC 6th 6th 7th
2010 SDC HC 2nd 1st 1st
2009 SDC HC 4th 10th 7th
2008 SDC HC 2nd 11th 5th
2007 SDC HC 5th 20th 20th
2006 SFO OC 24th 26th 12th
2005 OAK HC 23rd 21st 19th
2004 OAK HC 18th 17th 11th
2003 MIA OC 17th 24th 21st
2002 MIA OC 12th 15th 15th
2001 SDC OC 14th 11th 13th
2000 WAS HC 24th 11th 10th
1999 WAS HC 2nd 2nd 2nd
1998 WAS HC 17th 15th 15th
1997 WAS HC 15th 16th 17th
1996 WAS HC 8th 9th 3rd
1995 WAS HC 18th 18th 16th
1994 WAS HC 13th 17th 18th
1993 DAL OC 2nd 4th 3rd
1992 DAL OC 2nd 4th 3rd
1991 DAL OC 7th 9th 7th
You're making a very good point. I guess what I really meant was that he never took the leap from that to being a winning QB. He also did not sustain it. But yeah, he was great for that year, no doubt.I agree with most of this, but the bolded just can't be true. In his MVP year he had a 35/10 TD/int ratio and a 99.4 QB rating, along with 10 rushing TDs and 635 rushing yards. His AV in 2015 was 20, a number Brady has beaten just twice (24 in 2007 and 21 in 2011). He did it all with a pretty crappy set of offensive skill players (Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn and Jericho Cotchery had the most catches and the RBs were Jonathan Stewart and Mike Tolbert). He did put it all together (and made it to the Super Bowl), but he couldn't sustain it. No surprise given the way he plays. When he puts it together he's perhaps the most physical rushing QB of all time. Sadly his injury and aging curve just doesn't make him look like a good fit here, and that's before you get to play style.
*edit - seriously, how many MVPs have played with a supporting cast that mediocre (at least in terms of skill players)? That's a really good fullback and a decent TE, an average RB and a couple of below average WRs. Really weak.
Newton is 68-55-1 in his career (.553).You're making a very good point. I guess what I really meant was that he never took the leap from that to being a winning QB. He also did not sustain it. But yeah, he was great for that year, no doubt.
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When I say winning, I mean more than technically winning. Or winning at that particular level.Newton is 68-55-1 in his career (.553).
Hall of Famer Dan Fouts was 86-84 (.506).
He's been a winning QB. Not consistently but he's been a winner for sure. He hasn't lived up to his vast potential, when you look at his overall career though.
Newton was one of the better in the league for awhile there. The issue is how much have his injuries reduced his ability to use his legs which had always been a lethal tool in his game especially on 3rd down. Without that tool moving forward he is ordinary at best.Newton is 68-55-1 in his career (.553).
Hall of Famer Dan Fouts was 86-84 (.506).
He's been a winning QB. Not consistently but he's been a winner for sure. He hasn't lived up to his vast potential, when you look at his overall career though.
Meaning, he hasn't won the Super Bowl? Well, lots of great QBs never won a Super Bowl. Newton took his team to the playoffs 3 out of 8 seasons (not counting last year when he only played two games). That's 37.5% of his seasons. In Fouts' 12 seasons when he played 9 or more games, he led his team to the playoffs 4 times (33.3%). Tarkenton, in 18 such seasons, went to the playoffs 5 times (27.8%).When I say winning, I mean more than technically winning. Or winning at that particular level.
They'll fire BoB before they let Watson walk. Easy decision for a lot of reasons.Why wouldn’t he sign there? Friction with BoB / Hopkins trade?
In a salary capped league, ownership is the biggest competitive advantage.They'll fire BoB before they let Watson walk. Easy decision for a lot of reasons.
well played.The national negativity about Cam is prevalent, some his own creation, some subtle racism, some nonsensical. I couldn’t imagine having a Patriots quarterback obsessed with fashion.