Close contacts aren't quarantined. Gilmore was close contact of Cam and TRAVELED AND PLAYED.I mean Mahomes is at minimum on quarantine. Disaster for the league.
Close contacts aren't quarantined. Gilmore was close contact of Cam and TRAVELED AND PLAYED.I mean Mahomes is at minimum on quarantine. Disaster for the league.
Bill playing the long game here, I see.So, it turnss out that hopping on planes and flying before the incubation period was over may not have been such a great idea. Who knew?
Also:
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Because the NFL CBA expires at the end of the season, MLB has another full season before they have to negotiate.Why do we think the NFLPA will step out of these positive tests when the MLB players didn't?
They can claim it was one team that may have been violating protocols (Titans) and then with NE they knew teams would have cases and the league and players have protocols in place, agreed to by both sides.
340 pound linemen are certainly healthy.Because the NFL CBA expires at the end of the season, MLB has another full season before they have to negotiate.
As many flags they can put in the sand, they will (or should).
I'd also argue that MLB players generally only have to worry about their own locker room. Players just arent in as close proximity in MLB, and when they are, guys can wear masks.
Finally, the risk of death is low for the general population, probably lower for young and healthy athletes. You know who arent healthy? 340 pound lineman.
The risks are different for a myriad of reasons for each league.
Not with NFL rules.I mean Mahomes is at minimum on quarantine. Disaster for the league.
Maybe Gilmore wanted to cancel the season. Getting the face of the league sick is probably the quickest way.So, it turnss out that hopping on planes and flying before the incubation period was over may not have been such a great idea. Who knew?
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He’s the best “shutdown” corner in the league for a reason. Well played, Gilmore, well played...Maybe Gilmore wanted to cancel the season. Getting the face of the league sick is probably the quickest way.
This is one of those times when I'd love to know what BB is thinking. While you are right that he is a competitor, I wonder what he thought about the team having to wake up at 6am to get tested, fly in on the day of the game, play a night game, then fly back that evening, all having not had any in person meetings or practices since Friday, starting a quarterback that prepped all week as the backup, etc. He is a no excuse guy, but at the very least he had to have some thoughts along the lines of "this is not how football is meant to be played".Can't believe the NFL didn't postpone. And am disappointed that Pats didn't just refuse to go, but you know BB is a competitor.
Yup, this is very true. Realpolitik would seem to suggest to forfeit KC to ensure you are healthy for Denver, but who knows.This is one of those times when I'd love to know what BB is thinking.
Im... not sure how to respond to this.340 pound linemen are certainly healthy.
Apparently not. 25 year olds who exercise every day and eat tailored meals to maintain mass aren't the same as obese, sedentary 60 year olds.Im... not sure how to respond to this.
This. Being in close contact with someone for a few seconds (assuming no coughing/sneezing) is thought to have a very unlikely transmission risk, especially outdoors. The current critical close contact exposure time is 10 min.Not with NFL rules.
Practice squad QB who presumably was in meetings with Mahomes tested positive and Mahomes wasn't put in quarantine. None of the Patriots were.
I see the media posting the Gilmore /Mahomes pic all over but barely mention of his contact with player on his own team.
Who is more likely to transmit it to Mahomes?
CDC guidelines wouldn't even consider Mahomes a close contact for Gilmore.
Couldn’t agree more with this. And I highly doubt the union will do anything - after all, they agreed to the current protocols before the season started. I mean, heck, we saw college football players, who don’t even get paid, being pissed that their seasons might be cancelled - does anyone really think NFL players whose livelihoods are tied to playing are going to advocate for cancelling or postponing games if they don’t need to be?The NFL has been unfailingly profitable and successful in the last decade plus by being almost dogmatically reactive instead of proactive. Their view will be that this was a thing that happened to the Titans and the Patriots and they will react as needed with the most minimal intrusion and giving lip service to player safety. They probably will do some grandstanding like blaming the Patriots and talking tough about fines and their protocols because that is what they do until it happens again and they can react then. It is the playbook and it has served them well.
If players get mobilized and start taking action they will react but only when it gets to a critical mass. If it happens to Jerry Jones or the Steelers then something might move incrementally but they know they cannot control a virus and this is the course they decided on.
Where's the vomit emoji button?I'm sure the hard hitting NFL media will report on the last few days critically.
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Mort is the biggest shill of the NFL and that is saying something. He's a clown.I'm sure the hard hitting NFL media will report on the last few days critically.
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Nope. We all know how Bill thinks:This is one of those times when I'd love to know what BB is thinking. While you are right that he is a competitor, I wonder what he thought about the team having to wake up at 6am to get tested, fly in on the day of the game, play a night game, then fly back that evening, all having not had any in person meetings or practices since Friday, starting a quarterback that prepped all week as the backup, etc. He is a no excuse guy, but at the very least he had to have some thoughts along the lines of "this is not how football is meant to be played".
Given the NFL is run by a bunch of Dunces who only care about the all mighty $$$$ over the safety of its employees, they will 100% force the pats to playSource: The Patriots' plan is to be fully remote today AND tomorrow. In the aftermath of Stephon Gilmore's positive test, the team is very much proceeding with caution. That means their first practice of the week would be, at the earliest, Friday. They play Denver on Sunday.
I disagree. Flying in the day of the game is not normal and something all teams have to deal with. Waking up abnormally early for testing is not normal and something all teams have to deal with. Dealing with mother trucking deflategate while trying to prepare for the SUPER BOWL is not normal and something all teams have to deal with.Nope. We all know how Bill thinks:
Bill is thinking about whatever he can to get his team the win. All that other stuff is superfluous to him. Other teams have to deal with similar hurdles. Everyone deals with injuries to their starting QB.
If the league says to play, they play. Bill doesn't care about anything out of his control.
Kraft, on the other hand, should have advocated for a cancellation.
I was the mort report first and he makes me want to change my name. Maybe I can sell him my Themortreport twitter handle with 0 tweets since 2009Mort is the biggest shill of the NFL and that is saying something. He's a clown.
And you think because the meals are tailored, that an extra 100 - 130 pounds of fat is fine for someone's heart and cardiovascular system?Apparently not. 25 year olds who exercise every day and eat tailored meals to maintain mass aren't the same as obese, sedentary 60 year olds.
Ok, so how did they reschedule the Chiefs game for Monday then (which bled into the actual Monday night game BTW)?I highly, highly doubt the NFLPA will say anything about this at all. Firstly, they got the opt-out ability to cover players with friends/family with risk and players with no risk. Secondly, the league is made up of haves and have-nots. The have-nots can't afford to not get paid by games/season getting cancelled. With most players having very little guaranteed money, they are always one injury away from having no income source. Thirdly, as mentioned above, they are young professional athletes with elite levels of medical care available. The actual risk to them of a positive CV19 diagnosis is very, very small and not worth the financial risk of cancelling.
As to the NFL changing their schedule, I think you are all vastly, vastly underestimating how complex the language around TV contracts are. Do you think NBC and CBS don't have contract language with other broadcast commitments that explicitly prohibit them from broadcasting on days outside of their scheduled NFL broadcasts? Do you think they don't have contract language with their sponsors on what times and dates and slots they have paid for? There are all kinds of local advertising rights (contractual) issues that would come up. Now, whether all of the contractual or legal claims are worth risking people's health is a different discussion, but they can't just decide to change the schedule to be 24 weeks without an impossible amount of knock-on effects.
Here's the CDC guidelines. Does that postgame hug count as a "hug" in the way they likely mean here:And now (star) players have a potentially lethal disease – and the reigning MVP needs to go into quarantine (but probably won’t bc ... football).
Yes, I believe that professional linemen at age 25-35 have much better cardiovascular health than the average human being, regardless of their body mass.And you think because the meals are tailored, that an extra 100 - 130 pounds of fat is fine for someone's heart and cardiovascular system?
Fat is fat. It might come from healthier food, which is better for things like cholesterol, but an extra 100 pounds of fat is still a huge burden on the human body.
Exactly what I am thinking whenever I read that the NFL is too dumb to fix this. It's not about money -- as has been noted, adding weeks to the TV schedule would only help; and it's not like fans who bought tickets are being inconvenienced. This is about power; the power exerted from the most powerful office in the land.If the NFL were to take a week or two off right now to get things under control, it would make it seem like COVID is still a major problem in this country and taking things people like away from them. There is a very powerful man who is friends with a lot of the owners who does not want to remind people that COVID isn’t under control.
Say the words.If the NFL were to take a week or two off right now to get things under control, it would make it seem like COVID is still a major problem in this country and taking things people like away from them. There is a very powerful man who is friends with a lot of the owners who does not want to remind people that COVID isn’t under control.
I mean he straight up said it during the debate "I brought football back", the implication that Trump's amazing leadership was able to create a safe space for the NFL to return. The NFL taking two weeks off, right before the election, because COVID isn't under control (thanks to Trump's shitty leadership) would be a pretty big blow for Trump and his ego. The owners want to remain on Trump's good side and if they were to take two weeks off, you know Trump would be all over them.Exactly what I am thinking whenever I read that the NFL is too dumb to fix this. It's not about money -- as has been noted, adding weeks to the TV schedule would only help; and it's not like fans who bought tickets are being inconvenienced. This is about power; the power exerted from the most powerful office in the land.
Um...even if Kap and Reid were in the league, it would still be all about $$$. Their present absence doesn’t make it so. It’s been about that and it will continue to be about that, plain and simple.Say the words.
The NFL is run by Trump sycophants and they do not want to piss him off.
Any Social Justice work done by the league has been lip service and couch change. As long as Kaepernick and Eric Reid arent in the league, especially Reid, the whole league is bullshitting you about caring about anything other than $$
Maybe you're right. We have some doctors here. Maybe one of them wants to educate us ignorant folks.Yes, I believe that professional linemen at age 25-35 have much better cardiovascular health than the average human being, regardless of their body mass.
Yikes. You're right, the NFL doesn't already play games on Monday nights and there's nothing in their contracts with their broadcast partners that define exactly what and how they can flex games. It's all done "on the fly".Ok, so how did they reschedule the Chiefs game for Monday then (which bled into the actual Monday night game BTW)?
Oh and the league regularly flexes games and schedules a night game Sunday’s on the fly.
This is a stupid post and the kind of rationale I’d expect from league officials. The NFL wanted to play this game, period, despite there being no pressing reason to play it given that they sold virtually no tickets. So they did. And now (star) players have a potentially lethal disease – and the reigning MVP needs to go into quarantine (but probably won’t bc ... football).
I'm sure actual doctors will chime in but I did just ask my father who is a 71 year old (almost retired thanks to COVID) cardiologist who said lineman are far less at risk than average human, especially an average obese human. Body fat % and cardiovascular fitness levels wouldnt even be comparable.Maybe you're right. We have some doctors here. Maybe one of them wants to educate us ignorant folks.
Here's a study on college linemen. "Although athletes might be assumed to be protected from risks of cardiovascular disease, we found a high incidence of metabolic syndrome and other associated adverse biomarkers for heart disease in collegiate football linemen. " - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582553/Yes, I believe that professional linemen at age 25-35 have much better cardiovascular health than the average human being, regardless of their body mass.
Croft et al7 compared echocardiographic characteristics between linemen and nonlinemen among 487 retired NFL players. Retired linemen had significantly increased left ventricular mass and left atrial area compared with nonlinemen.
Furthermore, BMI, player position as a linemen, and systolic blood pressure were all independent predictors for increased left ventricular mass. The investigators hypothesized that these “cardiac adaptations may contribute to the higher incidence of cardiovascular disease in retired linemen.”
Recently, Mayo Clinic physicians reported that 82% of 233 retired NFL players - 50 years of age had either plaque or carotid narrowing on neck Doppler studies.8 Adjusted for age, sex, and race, this finding placed them in the 75th percentile for carotid disease. Although this study does not pertain specifically to cardiac risk, it does demonstrate increased atherogenesis in young retired NFL players.
Right. Although one of the sourced articles above focuses on linemen that were currently attending college. And even they show concerning biomarkers for heart disease.What happens to them after they retire is a different story IMO. If they go the Jeff Saturday route they will be healthy. If they stay at 350 lbs... they will die early. But we're talking about their healthy while playing.
Absolutely agree. I just used that example to show how little the NFL cares about these issues they claim they are supporting. And we, the people, fall for their lies every time because FOOTBALL!Um...even if Kap and Reid were in the league, it would still be all about $$$. Their present absence doesn’t make it so. It’s been about that and it will continue to be about that, plain and simple.
Yeah that's not surprisingRight. Although one of the sourced articles above focuses on linemen that were currently attending college. And even they show concerning biomarkers for heart disease.