Don’t they have Alex Tanney?Before everyone starts wanting to trade Eli ... who would be Jones's backup?
Alex Tanney would be the backup.Before everyone starts wanting to trade Eli ... who would be Jones's backup?
Why not? He has 3.6M in salary with no future bonus money. Looks like they should save over $2M depending on timing of trade. What am I missing?Jags wouldnt save any $ by dealing Ramsey. They have about $9 mill in cap room. So its not crazy that they make a move for it, as they would only need to free up a couple mill
Don’t they have Alex Tanney?
Someone has BigSoxFan on ignoreAlex Tanney would be the backup.
No need to bring my wife into this...Someone has BigSoxFan on ignore
While you may be right on Trubisky, no chance they bench him for a year of Eli. For me, it feels like Jacksonville or nobody.Wouldn't the best landing spot for him be the Bears?
It's basically a mirror image of the Giants teams he won SBs with. He can't be worse than Trubisky, I refuse to believe that.
If they bench Minshew we riot.While you may be right on Trubisky, no chance they bench him for a year of Eli. For me, it feels like Jacksonville or nobody.
By this logic JE11 is a hall of famerIf you don't count his rookie year (took over midseason and went 1-6) or this year, Eli QB'd the NYG for 14 seasons. They won a playoff game in 2 of those 14 seasons.
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Almost. He only has one Super Bowl MVP.By this logic JE11 is a hall of famer
Not that it matters but Flacco was named Super Bowl MVP.Flacco is Eli-lite. He has one SB victory (in which he was excellent but did not win MVP) vs two SB MVPs for Eli.
Flacco also has 2 more playoff victories than Eli. 10-5 vs. 8-4. If the 2014 Ravens had beaten the Pats (which almost happened), they would have gone to the Super Bowl. Then Flacco would have 2 SBs and 1 SB win / MVP.Not that it matters but Flacco was named Super Bowl MVP.
If Kyle Williams doesn't muff two punts in that NFC championship game nobody is talking Eli for Hall of Fame.
Sorry: TRIGGER WARNING for Niner fans.
LI: Great 4th quarter and OT. Poor start to the game.If he lost those SBs, (he was behind in both until the final 1-2 minutes) would his post-seasons of 2007 and 2011 be enough to get him into the HoF?
I'm assuming you will say "no"
So in essence, 2 good 4th qtrs in a 15 year career will get him in.
I still find it amazing that the highest QB rating Eli ever achieved was 93.6. His best rating year in 2015 would have put him 20th on last year’s list, just above Ryan Tannehill.Best QB in Giants history, right? Tittle was my first thought, but his run was only for four seasons.
Highest QB rating in NYG history, minimum of 100 attempted passes? Kurt Warner! He has to be the only guy where that's true for three different teams.
I have no idea what your point about Brady is in an Eli thread, as there is no legitimate argument as to the parity of Eli to Brady as QBs, either in the regular season or the post-season.LI: Great 4th quarter and OT. Poor start to the game.
LII: Strip sack fumble by Brandon Graham to end the game-winning drive with 2 minutes left in the game.
LII: Good 4th quarter. Sony Michel and the run game wearing down the Rams and paying dividends in the 4th quarter, and the defense never allowing the Rams to have a drive over 5 minutes or 50 yards.
If we can do hypotheticals about "if he lost that SB," what if the Patriots don't have an incredible comeback and lose LI? Belichick probably moves on from Brady with Garoppolo, and Kraft doesn't order the code red to trade Jimmy G. If they let the QB controversy go on for another year, maybe they move on after LII. Respect to Belichick and Brady for being true competitors. I'll always believe Brady/Jimmy G. was Belichick's way of recalling Bill Walsh 1988 with Montana/Young. Walsh was ruthless, and pushed the 49ers to a their their third Super Bowl Championship(and first in 4 years) in his final season. Seifert won another the next year, and the New York Football Giants made sure "There would be no Three-peat."
To bring this back to Eli, he should have had a more competitive QB to challenge him before this year.
Threads are indeed merged. The older thread title stays.These are New York Football Giants threads? This is the lol@Daniel Jones thread, the other one is wishcasting Eli Manning never won a Super Bowl. What the fuck does Eli Alone even mean? (That Mark Pope video is pretty cool, I have no idea if anyone watched it here.)
I posted it in the other thread, but Eli's single best season ranks 225 on the all time list. In a passing era. Marc Bulger had a rating better than 93.6 twice. Guys like Chris Chandler and Brian Griese appear above him on the list. It's really pretty pathetic. I think I counted 8 Phillip Rivers seasons that were better than a single Eli season.I still find it amazing that the highest QB rating Eli ever achieved was 93.6. His best rating year in 2015 would have put him 20th on last year’s list, just above Ryan Tannehill.
And that 225 number is going to be like 325-350 by the time he’s eligible.I posted it in the other thread, but Eli's single best season ranks 225 on the all time list. In a passing era. Marc Bulger had a rating better than 93.6 twice. Guys like Chris Chandler and Brian Griese appear above him on the list. It's really pretty pathetic. I think I counted 8 Phillip Rivers seasons that were better than a single Eli season.
Good point. There are 15 guys this year with ratings over 93.6. There were 19 last year.And that 225 number is going to be like 325-350 by the time he’s eligible.
Yes, the only one for three teams. Manning & Pennington each have 2, and Fitzpatrick has 1 and is pretty close on a couple others.Best QB in Giants history, right? Tittle was my first thought, but his run was only for four seasons.
Highest QB rating in NYG history, minimum of 100 attempted passes? Kurt Warner! He has to be the only guy where that's true for three different teams.
Thats an interesting thought but the Parcells/LT era gave them two rings as well.Having grown up in NY/NJ with New England roots I am the rare fan of both the Pats and Giants. I always felt that the two SB wins were actually bad for the Giants because it convinced the fan base and more importantly, management, that both those teams were good instead of just exceedingly lucky, which meant that they extended the tenures of both Coughlin and Eli and didn't force the organization to take the steps needed to actually become a good, dominant team like in the Parcells/LT era.
Charlie Conerly played 14 seasons, all with the Giants. Hard to compare quarterback ratings from the 40s 50s and 60s with today, but Conerly had more TD passes than interceptions and that was very good back then. Bobby Layne and Joe Namath missed by a wide margin, for example. Conerly wasBest QB in Giants history, right? Tittle was my first thought, but his run was only for four seasons.
Highest QB rating in NYG history, minimum of 100 attempted passes? Kurt Warner! He has to be the only guy where that's true for three different teams.
He does not have one season among the top 200 all time in passer rating.The case for Eli for the HOF:
- 2 SB championships, 2 SB MVPs, beat Tom Brady and the Patriots twice (no small thing)
- Incredible durability and longevity
- Will retire in the top 10 in many counting stats
The case against Eli for the HOF:
- Just 116-116 lifetime W-L
- His five best seasons by passer rating - seasons over 90.0 rating - he had only one winning record:
2015: 93.6 - 6-10
2009: 93.1 - 8-8
2011: 92.9 - 9-7
2018: 92.4 - 5-11
2014: 92.1 - 6-10
So at his very best, he never elevated his team, except for the two SB runs, of course.
- Winless in 4 playoff tries, minus the two SB runs.
- Only 4 pro bowl appearances in a long, long career.
- Never considered even a top tier QB at any point in his career.
Long story short, he's not a HOF quarterback, but I'm convinced that the two SB runs and counting stats will be enough for him to be a shoo-in.
Not even close.With endorsements, Peyton must be highest earner.