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2018 PGA Tour $ League Pre-Draft Thread

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by TFP, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    Ok, firing this thread up. First thing's first, @AirborneSas is out for next year too, so we either need to find a 20th person or roll with 19. This is with @inJacobyWeTrust already replacing @teddykgb. @johnmd20 - want back in? If not, does anyone know someone who wants to join?

    Beyond that, we have the following questions to answer:

    1. Are we ok with increasing the buy-in to $150? All signs point to yes based on the feedback in the 2017 thread.

    2. If we start on Jan 4th with the Tournament of Champions, we need to determine how to allocate our extra funds. I'll put a follow up post going into detail on this one.

    3. We need to consider alternative Add/Drop options that @FL4WL3SS usually wants. I'm open to alternative ideas as long as it's not a lot of extra work/maintenance to track.

    4. When do we start the draft? I am thinking December 4th or December 11th sounds like the right time, gives us plenty time to get it done before the holidays.

    5. Anything else?
     
  2. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    Here are my thoughts on the additional fund allocation from the last thread
    • We increase the buy-in to $150/person (additional $1000 to play with)
    • We find a replacement for teddykgb (keeping us at 20)
    • We start the season with the Tournament of Champions in Hawaii (Jan 4th), which adds 4 tourneys +$200)
    • We make the Players pay as a major (+$50)
    • Make the 3 WGC events pay as a major (+$150)
    • We add the 4 B tournaments as $25 winning payouts (Puerto Rico, Corales, Barracuda, Barbosol) (+$100)
    • We do the following payout (+$500)
      • 1st place - $400 (was originally $200)
      • 2nd place - $200
      • 3rd place - $100
    • That's a total of $1000 increases.

    If we can't find a 20th person, we have to eliminate $150 from somewhere, probably by scrapping the WGC paying as majors or by reducing each places payout by $50 or something. The other ideas were to pay out last place and/or payout the top point getter without a weekly win (i.e. someone who hadn't won any $), but I like paying the B tournaments better (and letting their points count too obviously).

    Thoughts?
     
  3. cshea

    cshea Member SoSH Member

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    Might be a minor thing, but I think the Sony is a better starting point than the TOC since the TOC is a 30 man field.
     
  4. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Instead of paying the WGC events as majors, I would propose putting more money in the end of season payout, maybe even paying to 4th place.
     
  5. johnmd20

    johnmd20 voice of soccer Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Yeah, I'll do it. Happy to join, although I'll likely finish in last place. Let me know your Paypal address and I'll send the money over.
     
  6. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  7. bostonbeerbelly

    bostonbeerbelly Member SoSH Member

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    Glad to have you back - let me know what I owe and when/where to send.

    I like the payouts and valid point about the 30 man field at the ToC.

    I would prefer a December 4th starting point for the draft.
     
  8. heavyde050

    heavyde050 Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    Just tell me what I owe and when it is due. Also, if I somehow get first pick again, I would like to trade it.
     
  9. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Mrs. Dennis Wideman SoSH Member

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    My add/drop suggestions:
    • Injured players should be allowed to be dropped at any time for a non-rostered player.
      • Potential fun idea: allow an IR slot where you can stash a player that started on your team and got hurt. Would exclude someone injured to start the season.
    • Everyone must submit their drops before the add period. This allows the worst team to have the pick of all available players. It's not fair that each successive team gets a different player pool to pick from.
    • Add one additional add/drop period if we're extending the season
     
  10. Average Reds

    Average Reds Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Much to my astonishment, and at the risk of adding complexity, I think all of these ideas make sense except perhaps the second add/drop period.
     
  11. Average Reds

    Average Reds Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I like all of these suggestions except for starting the season at the ToC. (Too few players.). I'd use the extra $50 from the ToC and make that the consolation fee for finishing last.

    I'm ambivalent about the suggested modification from BMHH and will roll with the majority.
     
  12. BigMike

    BigMike Dope Dope

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    The one thing I would like to see is a payout for whoever ends up with the Fedex Cup Champion. I don't think we currently have thar
     
  13. Zomp

    Zomp Turkey Virgin Dope

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    I'm in for whatever, but I would hesitate on adding complexity to the add drop period. We usually have trouble getting it in on time every year.

    I don't like the B tournament idea but maybe that extra $100 goes to whoever has the fedex cup champ?

    Making the player's a major I'm good with. Same with WGC events. and the payouts I'm fine with
     
  14. Leon Trotsky

    Leon Trotsky Member SoSH Member

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    I'm fine with all of the suggestions. I don't mind starting with the TOC - we have East Lake in already and that is only a 30 person field as well.
     
  15. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Mrs. Dennis Wideman SoSH Member

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    I don't think my idea of submitting drops ahead of time would add that much complexity. If we set a hard deadline "All drops must be submitted by May xx" then if someone doesn't submit a drop by the deadline they're excluded from the add period.
     
  16. Vegas Sox Fan

    Vegas Sox Fan Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Can I bring up my annual gripe with the match play scoring? Everyone in a limited field should get at least one point.
     
  17. cshea

    cshea Member SoSH Member

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    I feel like East Lake is different since it is the championship. We don’t know the field when we draft, and it’s fun to follow guys on your team trying to qualify. Having multiple players make it is a bonus for drafting well. The TOC is 30 guys we’ll know of in advance and so if we have 20 teams this year, half will have 2 players the othe half will have 1. I don’t know, to me it doesn’t seem fair. I’d rather just start at the Sony with a full field.
     
  18. Deathofthebambino

    Deathofthebambino Drive Carefully SoSH Member

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    I'll let you guys hash out the payouts and whether we include the ToC or if the WGC's count as majors, etc. None of that worries me one way or the other.

    With respect to the add/drop stuff. I'm 100000% on board with submitting the drops ahead of time. As someone who is regularly picking near the top of the add/drop period because my team sucks, I think it's unfair that people picking later on (the people already in a better position) have the ability to pick up dropped players that the earlier players didn't. The other side of that is the guys in say, the top 5, at the point in the season, are probably dropping guys that are better than what the guys in say, the bottom 5 at that point, are dropping, so the pool could theoretically get better for the later guys to choose from.

    Alternatively, instead of submitting our drops ahead of time, we could simply make a rule that picking up dropped players is not allowed. Only free agents are allowed to be added during the free agency period. I'm fine either way.

    If we did do an Injured/IR spot, what would be the determination as to whether or not someone is actually "injured." Do they have to be out the remainder of the year, or can you drop them if they are out one week? It's not like the NFL, where there is an injured reserve or something, so I think that could become a bit more complicated than we really need.

    I say we start the draft as early as possible.
     
  19. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I think this is a better way to go. If you have a late pick, you may only want to drop someone if one of several players is still available. Otherwise, you just keep your team as is, and you won't know that before the draft starts.
     
  20. Deathofthebambino

    Deathofthebambino Drive Carefully SoSH Member

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    Hadn't thought of that, probably because I never have a late pick, but it makes sense. I think we just make a rule you can't pick dropped players. I wouldn't want to commit to dropping someone if I didn't know what would be available when I picked.
     
  21. inJacobyWeTrust

    inJacobyWeTrust Member SoSH Member

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    Looking forward to this season, thanks for having me!

    I’m flexible on dates and will defer to the group on any format changes.

    Let me know where and when to send $$$

    Signed,
    Guy Who Will Probably Finish Last
     
  22. johnmd20

    johnmd20 voice of soccer Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Yes, please let me know where to send the $$$.
     
  23. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    Thanks everyone for the feedback. Here's my thoughts on some of the stuff. One thing I will say about this league though is that my favorite part about it is the simplicity. I don't want to tinker too much with something that I feel is already working great and is a ton of fun. So I was considering all of that as I was responding to these.

    In response to each of your bullets
    • Defining "Injured" is too vague compared to other sports. I think this adds a level of complexity that I think isn't needed here. Does someone out for one week qualify? Two weeks? What if it's for personal issues instead of injury (i.e. when Day's Mother got sick)?I feel it raises more questions and hypotheticals than it solves.
    • This requires people to commit to dropping someone before knowing who is available. I certainly wouldn't want to commit to dropping a player if I don't know who I'm going to have available at my turn to pick. It solves one issue and creates another. See my later responses on solving the original problem of people picking from a different pool though.
    • I'm good with this one - the longer season definitely makes this necessary in my opinion. Thoughts on where we should place them?
    I agree with this one. Anyone else object? If not, let's make it so.

    This is fair. Let's start with the Sony and not the TOC, seems to be a consensus there.

    I like this idea a lot. I'm good with making this rule - everyone gets to pick from the same pool but doesn't have to decide ahead of time. And the people dropped in the first add/drop period become eligible to be picked for the second one.

    I will PM you guys the PayPal address when I send it out to everyone for what they owe (due to carryovers, etc). Glad to have you!

    With regards to payouts now, here's what I propose due to feedback (still open to suggestions). I don't agree with paying out the Fedex Champion because the person who owns that golfer is almost guaranteed to be high at the standings already. But if we want to throw $50 towards it, that's fine). My goal in all of the money is to spread out the winnings a bit so more people have a chance win some form of $. I also like increasing the tournament fields/potential winnings, which is why keeping the B tourneys over making the WGC majors is my preference. I removed the WGC major and added $50 to first place, fourth place, and the fedex winner. I also took the $50 originally allocated to the TOC and put it to last place. I feel good with this structure, personally.

    • We increase the buy-in to $150/person (additional $1000 to play with)
    • We start the season with the Sony Open in Hawaii (Jan 11th), which adds 3 tourneys +$150)
    • We make the Players pay as a major (+$50)
    • Make the 3 WGC events pay as a major (+$150)
    • We add the 4 B tournaments as $25 winning payouts (Puerto Rico, Corales, Barracuda, Barbosol) (+$100)
    • We do the following payout (+$700)
      • 1st place - $450 (was originally $200)
      • 2nd place - $200
      • 3rd place - $100
      • 4th place - $50
      • Last place - $50
      • Fedex Champ Owner - $50
    • That's a total of $1000 increases.
     
  24. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Mrs. Dennis Wideman SoSH Member

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    It's not that hard to come up with a hard and fast rule regarding injuries, so we can completely take the "vagueness" out of it.

    Honestly, that's the one thing I'm hoping gets implemented because I think it's completely unfair that someone should have to play shorthanded until the add/drop period (and God forbid it happens after the add/drop). That will make it impossible for that person to win the end of year prize by having to play with 7 guys all season instead of 8.

    Maybe it's a guy that will be out more than 3 months or the entire year. I don't know, but I also suggested having an IR spot that could be used as needed.

    Also if a guy is out 2-3 weeks and someone wants to drop them then so be it, that's a risk they take by dropping and making that guy available to the rest of the league. If you wanted to drop Day last year, then you would have lost him for the year.
     
  25. Vegas Sox Fan

    Vegas Sox Fan Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    There just isn't an official injury report though. We don't know when these guys are playing when they're healthy so how can we really know if someone is "injured" or just resting for 2 weeks?
     
  26. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Mrs. Dennis Wideman SoSH Member

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    Honestly it's fine if it's too big of a change for this format. Just figured I'd at least argue for the change to see what people thought.
     
  27. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Mrs. Dennis Wideman SoSH Member

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    The idea of not picking up dropped players wasn't really my intention, I'd rather keep the rules as is than implement that rule.
     
  28. Leon Trotsky

    Leon Trotsky Member SoSH Member

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    I'm good with all the rules and payouts as TFP lined out. Can't wait!
     
  29. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  30. Dan1864

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    I vote that we start drafting as soon as possible.

    I say we start at the Toc.

    I dislike the idea of subbing an injured golfer. To many complications.

    For add drop I like that you can not pick up who anybody dropped.
     

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