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luckiestman

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Will Patricia be okay as a HC? I don’t see it. I guess we won’t know until we know.
 

E5 Yaz

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The Oakland Raiders are preparing to pursue ESPN analyst Jon Gruden with an offer so strong it could even include an ownership stake in the team, according to league sources.

Gruden will be tempted to accept it, according to sources, but would prefer not to make any decisions until the regular season finishes Sunday and the Raiders make a final determination on their current head coach, Jack Del Rio, who signed a contract extension last summer.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21921030/oakland-raiders-preparing-pursue-jon-gruden-possibly-offer-ownership-stake
 

mauf

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Merged the new thread on this topic into the existing one, but retained the new thread’s title.
 

DJnVa

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The Oakland Raiders are preparing to pursue ESPN analyst Jon Gruden with an offer so strong it could even include an ownership stake in the team, according to league sources.

Gruden will be tempted to accept it, according to sources, but would prefer not to make any decisions until the regular season finishes Sunday and the Raiders make a final determination on their current head coach, Jack Del Rio, who signed a contract extension last summer.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21921030/oakland-raiders-preparing-pursue-jon-gruden-possibly-offer-ownership-stake
Gruden seems to get QBs to perform--could be fun to see him and Carr.
 

tims4wins

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I think keeping BoB is the right move for Houston. He deserves one more shot with a healthy roster IMO. I think he is at least in the top half of the coaches of the league, they could do a lot worse.
 

Silverdude2167

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I never understood the people who though BoB should be fired.
When Watson was playing that team was a real threat to the AFC, he gets hurt and suddenly its BoB's fault, not to mention losing Watt.
 

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At some point, Elway becomes Al Davis 2.0. He canned McDaniels right away, fired Fox one year after going to the SB and winning the division each year, and Kubiak left one year after winning it (there were a lot of local reports that it wasn't just about Kubiak's health. Now he might fire Joseph after one year, a coach he long coveted.

He consistently overestimates the quality of the roster he assembles. At some point, quality coaches will stay away.
 

Mystic Merlin

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What'd they expect from Joseph without a competent QB? He's a first-time head coach.

I bet Elways looks at McVay and foolishly thinks Joseph should have won 8-9 games.
 

AB in DC

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Well, it's not like the Browns are going to win anything next year, either. Might as well let him keep the seat warm for another year and then see.
 

Van Everyman

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Cross-posting, but I wonder if Gase is in trouble
I generally felt like this is the same sophomore slump Bowles had last year – overperforming the first year, hard reverting to the mean in the second spurred by some key injuries. But there have also seemed like moments to me this season where Gase lost his team.

If I were Ross I’d stay with the guy who had a lot of potential rather than starting the three year plan yet again but who knows with most owners.
 

johnmd20

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I generally felt like this is the same sophomore slump Bowles had last year – overperforming the first year, hard reverting to the mean in the second spurred by some key injuries. But there have also seemed like moments to me this season where Gase lost his team.

If I were Ross I’d stay with the guy who had a lot of potential rather than starting the three year plan yet again but who knows with most owners.
Miami was like the Giants this year. They benefitted from an easy schedule to sneak into the playoffs. But the team was just as flawed, both teams got crushed in the first round, and this season was a brutal reversion.
 

dcmissle

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Chunky easily is the most expensive HC in NFL history.

There is what Al Davis extracted from the Glazers in the trade of Chucky to Tampa.

Now it’s going to cost the Raiders whatever they have to pay Chucky, which at a bare minimum will be top dollar, equity aside + paying Jack Del Rio through 2020. Jack was extended last offseason.
 

InstaFace

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wow, extended last offseason? He went from "We want you around for a while" to "get lost" in a single injury-riddled season, which while disappointing wasn't Browns-esque or worthy of Jim Tomsula? Crazy.

Davis doesn't have a ton of money to throw around, personally. I hope a lot of the Del Rio contract language was a series of options, or at least reasonable buyouts.
 

bosockboy

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wow, extended last offseason? He went from "We want you around for a while" to "get lost" in a single injury-riddled season, which while disappointing wasn't Browns-esque or worthy of Jim Tomsula? Crazy.

Davis doesn't have a ton of money to throw around, personally. I hope a lot of the Del Rio contract language was a series of options, or at least reasonable buyouts.
I think Carr regressing badly and Del Rio not being able to produce a respectable defense did him in.
 
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j-man

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At some point, Elway becomes Al Davis 2.0. He canned McDaniels right away, fired Fox one year after going to the SB and winning the division each year, and Kubiak left one year after winning it (there were a lot of local reports that it wasn't just about Kubiak's health. Now he might fire Joseph after one year, a coach he long coveted.

He consistently overestimates the quality of the roster he assembles. At some point, quality coaches will stay away.

Elway is Hyper-compvite elway did not canned Mcd that was bolwen fox was never going to win a super bowl was looking at homes in chi when denver lost in 14 Kubiak did not want to fire dennison and Joseph is just a 9-7 coach at best

in denver its all about getting to the super bowl

while i agree denver has a awful QB's OL joseph is too worried about being buddy-buddy with the players

2015 was a inside job by the league to get manning a 2nd ring

the best fit for denver might be jeff fisher

denver already has a def he would like

he is depasbert

denver's St were horrid too

denver plays the NFC West next year

utill denver upgrades the QB and OL Pos by 10'000 they are 8-8 at best anyway

i wouild hire matt lafluer oc of the rams
 

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I think Carr regressing badly and Del Rio not being able to produce a respectable defense did him in.
Carr was probably hurt, no? Also, the Amari Cooper regression for most of the season wasn't on Carr. I remember hearing one NFL "insider" a while back that he heard Cooper was counting steps while running routes.
 

Old Fart Tree

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If I was a coach I’d rather take the raiders job than giants. You don’t have to go find a QB or deal with a messy Eli separation, no income tax in Nevada, etc.
 

Rough Carrigan

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Elway is Hyper-compvite elway did not canned Mcd that was bolwen fox was never going to win a super bowl was looking at homes in chi when denver lost in 14 Kubiak did not want to fire dennison and Joseph is just a 9-7 coach at best

in denver its all about getting to the super bowl

while i agree denver has a awful QB's OL joseph is too worried about being buddy-buddy with the players

2015 was a inside job by the league to get manning a 2nd ring

the best fit for denver might be jeff fisher

denver already has a def he would like

he is depasbert

denver's St were horrid too

denver plays the NFC West next year

utill denver upgrades the QB and OL Pos by 10'000 they are 8-8 at best anyway

i wouild hire matt lafluer oc of the rams
For Denver's sake you'd better hope they don't hire Jeff freaking Fisher. My god. He's an idiot. His teams never had sophisticated offenses. If they could run it down your throat they were good. If they couldn't, it was another 5-11 for Fisher. The Rams players referred to either the way the team as a whole was run or their offense as "Rams Junior High". As a Patriots fan I'd love to see an AFC rival hire Jeff Fisher. His sole skill as a coach was his amazing ability to avoid being fired despite repeatedly leading his team to terrible records.
 

snowmanny

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For Denver's sake you'd better hope they don't hire Jeff freaking Fisher. My god. He's an idiot. His teams never had sophisticated offenses. If they could run it down your throat they were good. If they couldn't, it was another 5-11 for Fisher. The Rams players referred to either the way the team as a whole was run or their offense as "Rams Junior High". As a Patriots fan I'd love to see an AFC rival hire Jeff Fisher. His sole skill as a coach was his amazing ability to avoid being fired despite repeatedly leading his team to terrible records.
Do you think it's a case of him never being good -even with Tennessee - or just being unable to adapt to the way the game has changed so he sucks now?
 

BigSoxFan

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Do you think it's a case of him never being good -even with Tennessee - or just being unable to adapt to the way the game has changed so he sucks now?
I definitely think it’s the latter. From 1999-2003, the Titans had the following records:

1999: 13-3 (lost in SB)
2000: 13-3 (lost to SB winner Ravens in Div Round)
2001: 7-9 (no playoffs)
2002: 11-5 (lost in AFCCG to Raiders)
2003: 12-4 (gave Pats all they could handle)

That’s a very good 5 year stretch for any team not named the Patriots or Steelers. But starting in 2004, he only had 2 10+ win seasons. Seems to me like the game passed him by and I certainly wouldn’t be confident in handing him control of my team in 2018.
 

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Miami was like the Giants this year. They benefitted from an easy schedule to sneak into the playoffs. But the team was just as flawed, both teams got crushed in the first round, and this season was a brutal reversion.
They also lost their starting QB and their bye week before the season started.

I’m interested to see how Gruden fares. The guy has been out of the game for a long time. He’s still young enough to be a good head coach, but the game has changed significantly since he was last on the sideline. My gut tells me this will end poorly, but who knows.
 

jsinger121

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This is starting to feel like 2004 when Weis and Romeo left. The last run with this current crew.
Hopefully it ends with a group hug of BB, Josh and Patricia celebrating a super bowl win in Minneapolis just like the group hug in Super Bowl 39.