Every. Year.I know it happens every year, but seeing the CW on this draft shift from being 5-6 deep with potential franchise changers to a two player draft is still funny.
Every. Year.I know it happens every year, but seeing the CW on this draft shift from being 5-6 deep with potential franchise changers to a two player draft is still funny.
Did you hear that next year's draft, not 2018 is going to be one of the deepest since XYZ years ago?Every. Year.
...but could have been Shawn Marion.Last #8 pick to be an All-Star? Vin Baker.
I think the last time the Cs traded the #8 pick to CLE it was the infamous round draft pick) with Andrew DeClercq plus pick for Vitaly Potapenko. That pick turned out to be Andre Miller.
It's funny that while it's true the Suns really haven't whiffed on draft picks, they still suck and have a roster that isn't really compatible. Probably their biggest mistake was trading up to get Chriss - particularly since they just drafted Bender and had Len plus they included Bogdanovic.I’m not sure the Suns have drafted badly in recent years. The early returns on Bender and Jackson haven’t been good, but there isn’t a GM in the league who would’ve passed on Jackson, and most would’ve taken Bender too. Booker was an inspired selection, and Bogdanovic was also good value where they drafted him. Alex Len was their only high pick this decade I’d say was questionable ex ante, and even there, they only missed out on Nerlens Noel (Giannis and McCollum were on the board, but no one had them ranked as high as #5.)
Edit: The Suns have drafted 4th (twice) and 5th this decade, so they were overdue for some ping-pong ball luck.
What's different about this one is actual big men, and not just two players. The last couple of drafts have been shockingly light in legit tall guys that can maybe play. Maybe Doncic and Ayton are the only guys, but a lot of people see long careers for Bagley, Bamba, and Jackson. As always, who fucking knows. I think that you'll see more guys in the top ten this year who make all star appearances than the last two years combined, for what that's worth.Every. Year.
I think Porter is a wildcard too depending on how his medicals look. Someone could get a steal if he's healthy and are willing to deal with him being a year behind in development. Before he got hurt, he was in the top 3 conversation from what I remember. There's a lot of value in the lottery this year I think.What's different about this one is actual big men, and not just two players. The last couple of drafts have been shockingly light in legit tall guys that can maybe play. Maybe Doncic and Ayton are the only guys, but a lot of people see long careers for Bagley, Bamba, and Jackson. As always, who fucking knows. I think that you'll see more guys in the top ten this year who make all star appearances than the last two years combined, for what that's worth.
Yeah, people have been saying that ever since people started touting this draft class last year. But I haven't seen anything change. This was always supposed to be a deep, strong year, and it still is. And in contrast, there are definitely draft classes that are obviously weak. It's not every year.What's different about this one is actual big men, and not just two players. The last couple of drafts have been shockingly light in legit tall guys that can maybe play. Maybe Doncic and Ayton are the only guys, but a lot of people see long careers for Bagley, Bamba, and Jackson. As always, who fucking knows. I think that you'll see more guys in the top ten this year who make all star appearances than the last two years combined, for what that's worth.
I think that's the problem. The recent run of drafts have shown that publicly available drafting analysis (be it statistics or even amateur scouting based) is problematic at best. NBA front offices have to be better than that.Alex Len was their only high pick this decade I’d say was questionable ex ante, and even there, they only missed out on Nerlens Noel (Giannis and McCollum were on the board, but no one had them ranked as high as #5.)
Seriously. It's hilarious to me how many "people here are saying!" posts make generalizations about all the posters on this board without ever, ya know, quoting any.Who is calling this a two player draft? Who is calling next year deep?
This looks to be a very deep draft. Next year looks light.
I dunno who those people are, exactly, but I generally come here to try to get away from them.Seriously. It's hilarious to me how many "people here are saying!" posts make generalizations about all the posters on this board without ever, ya know, quoting any.
It won't be.I thought that the basis of next year's class being deep was that the "one-and-done" rule might be gone?
Even better, the Kings draft him anyways and he Ricky Rubio's them for a year.Doncic saying he's not sure he will be in the NBA next year. May just be posturing (*cough* don't take me Sacramento *cough*) or he may be serious. Would be good news for the Celtics to have him wait another year.
#3. Atlanta's going to be bad next year anyway. Might as well get the best asset, delay him getting expensive, and get another high draft pick for next year.Let's pretend that he states he wants to stay in Europe for one more year to develop/be close to his family/win/get laid/whatever, and it has nothing to do with not wanting to play for PHO/SAC.
When does he get drafted, knowing that you won't have him for a year?
Maybe. Who was taken after Chriss in that draft that is considerably better? He finished the year on a somewhat strong note too, which as you know, doesn't really mean much but it's better than finishing poorly. He's a potential rim protecting stretch big. I think Bender develops into a decent enough basketball player not to be called a whiff but the jury is still out on that one.It's funny that while it's true the Suns really haven't whiffed on draft picks, they still suck and have a roster that isn't really compatible. Probably their biggest mistake was trading up to get Chriss - particularly since they just drafted Bender and had Len plus they included Bogdanovic.
But boy their next pick is a big one.
Minor nitpick, Igor is Serbian. He has coached two national teams in Europe (Georgia and Slovenia).I get that with Ayton there's the AZ connection to the Suns, but they just hired, Igor Kokoskov, Doncic's former coach and fellow Slovenian, as their head coach. I took that as a pretty big sign that they wanted Doncic, and wanted Doncic to want them. Maybe his camp is growing concerned they'll go with Ayton and he'll end up stuck in Sactown.
• Fun post-lottery moment: Ressler approaching Rich Gotham, Celtics president, and joking he would have given up and sold the Hawks on the spot had the Celtics snared the No. 2 or No. 3 pick (via the Lakers and Sixers).
• Gotham looked legitimately upset that Boston hadn't moved up, even though the odds were minuscule: The Celtics had just a 2.9 percent chance. "I didn't come here to lose," he told me. He was not joking.
The Celtics would get the Sixers #1IIRC, isn't the Kings pick protected next year for the #1? Basically, we want them to be bad, but we don't want them to be the worst? If i'm remembering that right, what happens to the pick if the Kings do end up with the #1? What do the C's end up with in that situation?
Well, that would officially suck. Gotta think the Sixers pick would be somewhere in the mid 20's or so. Going from a high lottery pick to the mid 20's, because the Kings got the lucky ping pong ball would fucking blow.The Celtics would get the Sixers #1
But they changed the odds for next year. The teams with the three worst records all get an equal 14% chance at #1. 14% isn't nothing, but I don't think it's something that should kill a deal if a team really wants Rozier.IIRC, isn't the Kings pick protected next year for the #1? Basically, we want them to be bad, but we don't want them to be the worst? If i'm remembering that right, what happens to the pick if the Kings do end up with the #1? What do the C's end up with in that situation?
It also increased the odds for better teams to jump up and the lottery now determines the top 4 picks. Still, the potential downside of it ending up as Philly's pick conveying makes it risky for a lottery team to take as a centerpiece, and the Celtics can't attach additional protections to it the way Philly did (you can only do that if you own the pick unconditionally). Likely the only way it gets traded is with caveats that if the Kings pick doesn't convey it converts to the Grizzlies pick or it's the better of the two if both convey in 2019.But they changed the odds for next year. The teams with the three worst records all get an equal 14% chance at #1. 14% isn't nothing, but I don't think it's something that should kill a deal if a team really wants Rozier.