2018 AFCCG: Unsung Heroes & Plays

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So, just before the first Amendola TD, Amendola had another catch on 2d and 10. It was kind of a twisting catch on a ball that didn't seem well thrown. They didn't really show too many replays because they went fairly quickly and scored on the next play, but it almost looked as though the pass was intended for Cooks and Danny just kind of took it -- which was probably a good thing. Cooks was covered. Not sure if there's video or even how to post it, but just wondering if anyone else noticed that.
Yeah he snagged it high...def looked like it could have been intended for Cooks. Glad we didn't find out what happened if he let it go, because there was def a JAX defender there. Prob would have just been an incomplete pass, but if it wasn't (and we'll never find out obviously), that's a game-losing pick. Amendola made sure we didn't find out.
 

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It'd had to be by Brady on 2nd down. He could have driven a car through the hole they left open on that play. Thank god he's not Big Ben and saw it and just did it.
I remember looking at the line and thinking "I wonder if he sees a gap for a sneak".
Even so, I was a little surprised. Not shocked..just, given the injury and the distance...


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Not calling a time-out on the "might be a fake punt play". Romo even pointed it out as they lined up (I have to say, as much of a chatter box as he is, I like him and he's generally pretty easy to tune out too), and it's a classic "oh shit better call a TO" thing especially when they motioned out of the fake punt...and then back into it on the opposite side. Patriots were prepared, stayed calm, and kept there TO for later (I can't recall if Jax used their own TO there or not).
 

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One I really appreciated was the 4th down conversion, Brady--> Danny on the first drive.

-not converting sets Jax up with great field position, also loss of 3 points by Pats
-takes crowd out of game right away

He's open, but that's a tough play all around. Brady with a nice float in there, and Danny catching and collecting before the sideline hits, all while turning his body around to find the ball. Not easy

 

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So, just before the first Amendola TD, Amendola had another catch on 2d and 10. It was kind of a twisting catch on a ball that didn't seem well thrown. They didn't really show too many replays because they went fairly quickly and scored on the next play, but it almost looked as though the pass was intended for Cooks and Danny just kind of took it -- which was probably a good thing. Cooks was covered. Not sure if there's video or even how to post it, but just wondering if anyone else noticed that.
Here it is

It looks like it was to Cooks, and I don't think he was going to catch it.
 

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That reel is just another thing that reminds me how good Amendola's hands are. Anything near him it seems.
 

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I found a bunch of gifs on reddit, so I'll post some of the plays that people are talking about.
Rowe breaks up a pass at the 25. Elandon came in hot, and probably doesn't allow Bortles to step into the throw.
QB sneak
Amendola's catch on 4th and 2 on the opening drive
Gilmore - probably goes in a different thread as it's not an unsung play, but fuck it.
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Gilmore in single coverage on Westbrook in the 4th quarter. Damn near had a pick.
 

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Joe Thuney might be the most improved Patriot this year. Early in the season he was getting blown up fairly consistently. In the clips above he is blocking his man 1-1 quite a bit and not giving any real penetration in the middle of the line allowing Brady to step into his throws. He is almost certainly going to be blocking 1-1 against PHI while Mason gets help with Fletcher Cox.
Him being able to hold his own is going to be critical for a Pats victory.
 

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Yeah he snagged it high...def looked like it could have been intended for Cooks. Glad we didn't find out what happened if he let it go, because there was def a JAX defender there. Prob would have just been an incomplete pass, but if it wasn't (and we'll never find out obviously), that's a game-losing pick. Amendola made sure we didn't find out.
I wonder if that was a somewhat designed quasi-pick play, with Cooks 'blocking out' the DB over the top. Otherwise, it's a bit weird to have had Danny just under Cooks like that.
 

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I found a bunch of gifs on reddit, so I'll post some of the plays that people are talking about.
Rowe breaks up a pass at the 25. Elandon came in hot, and probably doesn't allow Bortles to step into the throw.
This is also the play where see the totally not a foul blocking a D-lineman in the back right out in the open.
 

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Gilmore in single coverage on Westbrook in the 4th quarter. Damn near had a pick.
I think that's the same play that Bortles got them on in their last drive of the game, except Bortles backshouldered it and Westbrook got it. Credit where it's due -- they saw that play and went back to it with a wrinkle and it worked. It was a weird play. Westbrook falls down and Gilmore doesn't try to touch him down -- maybe his momentum was going the other way or maybe he thought it was safer to just wait for him to get up and then tackle him.

Gilmore, though, gets the last laugh a few moments later!
 

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I wonder if that was a somewhat designed quasi-pick play, with Cooks 'blocking out' the DB over the top. Otherwise, it's a bit weird to have had Danny just under Cooks like that.
It has to be an option route for DA. He's supposed to go across the middle, but with the corner (#22) sitting there, he bounces to the outside.
 

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The final TD by Amendola was the same play they ran in Super Bowl 49 that Edelman scored for the TD. Cooks was likely the primary receiver but couldn't get the separation from Ramsey that Brady was looking for so he went to Danny in the back of the endzone.
Great call. I think you're right. One reason Cooks didn't get open there might be that he turns all the way around to his left before cutting outside. A quicker change of direction would be a spin back to his right (as Edelman did), plus you then create a bigger target. Wonder if they coach him on that and we see it again in the SB. Cooks played great, though.
 

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My biggest fear going into the game was Thuney-Andrews-Mason holding up against Campbell and the like. It wasn’t always pretty but they Did Their Jobs
 

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Not calling a time-out on the "might be a fake punt play". Romo even pointed it out as they lined up (I have to say, as much of a chatter box as he is, I like him and he's generally pretty easy to tune out too), and it's a classic "oh shit better call a TO" thing especially when they motioned out of the fake punt...and then back into it on the opposite side. Patriots were prepared, stayed calm, and kept there TO for later (I can't recall if Jax used their own TO there or not).
On this punt play, Hogan was in coverage. I thought that was strange, since I have never seen him on the punt return team before.
Here it is

It looks like it was to Cooks, and I don't think he was going to catch it.
Cooks wasn't going to catch it because he had a DB on his back. Should have been DPI had Cooks been the target.
 

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I wonder if that was a somewhat designed quasi-pick play, with Cooks 'blocking out' the DB over the top. Otherwise, it's a bit weird to have had Danny just under Cooks like that.
Yeah, strange play. Getting two receivers in one zone and making a defender choose one works pretty well - but with the routes so close, if someone had actually covered Amendola, Cooks wouldn't have been open (and yeah, the defensive back there definitely thought that was to Cooks).

I kinda think Amendola was supposed to cut inside, and then Cooks would have been able to come back to the ball - there was a big hole to the right of 22.
 

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The McCourty tackle was probably my favorite non-scoring play of the day, just because they kept converting those third downs and we kept letting them pick up those extra two or three yards when they threw short of the sticks and so I was expecting the worst and then he just stuck him.
 

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Great find. Yeah, definitely Cooks. Danny undercut the route!
I think that route is designed to be a zone beater. You run Cooks straight at Bouye (21) and see whether he can do the counter-intuitive thing, which is to let Cooks run right by him (trusting that the safety 29 will get him) and close hard on Dola at the sticks. If the corner is indecisive, Cooks basically clears him back enough and is also in the way of a break forward, giving Dola room to catch the ball at the sticks on an out. If the ball looks headed for Cooks, I think its because Brady wasn't fully accurate. But I'm pretty sure that's a play drawn up for Amendola that worked exactly as hoped.
 

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On this punt play, Hogan was in coverage. I thought that was strange, since I have never seen him on the punt return team before.
I do player participation snap tracking for all the pats games for another site, I don't remember him ever being on the punt return unit before, but he's definitely been on kick return a decent amount. They had to change things up this week because Jones and Hollister are usually on the return unit.
 

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The McCourty tackle was probably my favorite non-scoring play of the day, just because they kept converting those third downs and we kept letting them pick up those extra two or three yards when they threw short of the sticks and so I was expecting the worst and then he just stuck him.
Absolutely textbook tackle. He flipping stuck him.

This has already been mentioned but the Flowers semi-PBU on the wheel route to Fournette. Wasn't a perfect throw but he hung with LF just enough to be in position to make a play on the ball (similar to the Van Noy PBU from the 1st quarter).

On another note, the wheel route to RB's has been a thorn in the Pats side for years now. The Colts killed them with it multiple times a few years ago, the Bears scored a TD on them with it, the Ravens scored multiple plays on them with it, Lynch burned Collins on it 2x in the Super Bowl. Yesterday, it was open not only on the Flowers play, but also on the 4th and 14 incompletion at the end. Wheel routes aren't easy throws by any means, but they've been there consistently against Pats linebackers for a while now.
 

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Absolutely textbook tackle. He flipping stuck him.

This has already been mentioned but the Flowers semi-PBU on the wheel route to Fournette. Wasn't a perfect throw but he hung with LF just enough to be in position to make a play on the ball (similar to the Van Noy PBU from the 1st quarter).

On another note, the wheel route to RB's has been a thorn in the Pats side for years now. The Colts killed them with it multiple times a few years ago, the Bears scored a TD on them with it, the Ravens scored multiple plays on them with it, Lynch burned Collins on it 2x in the Super Bowl. Yesterday, it was open not only on the Flowers play, but also on the 4th and 14 incompletion at the end. Wheel routes aren't easy throws by any means, but they've been there consistently against Pats linebackers for a while now.
Honest question - how many LBs can cover a RB on a wheel route? Is it out scheme or players or both?
 

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Saw this floating around. Gilmore making almost the same exact play on Lafell in 2015.

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Not really "unsung," but the play right before the flea-flicker — the 21-yd strike to Amendola on 3rd and 18 — had to be the biggest play of the game in terms of win-expectancy swing. The play before that had been that ill-advised bomb to a double-covered Hogan in the post that could easily have been picked. I was grousing miserably at the time about how dumb it was to try a super low percentage play there rather than a safe dump-off to get at least a chunk of the 18 yards back. At 3rd and 18 deep in their own end with the D's ears pinned back, I could barely watch. I feel like the odds of a Pats win went from like 10% to more like 50% on that play.
If you go by the ESPN probability chart - it was JAX 93%. The 3rd and 18 dropped it to 86%. The flea-flicker to 78%.

Edit: Similar here - although hard to pull out. You need the game timestamps.
PF-Ref (as you link) actually does a pretty good job, the WPA (or EPA) is the last column in the play-by-play. Here are the biggest plays by change in NE's win expectancy, everything above 8% plus the lowest point (3rd and 18), in chronological order:
So the biggest plays for the Patriots were not-so-unsung: Gilmore's PD, Amendola's punt return, Flowers' strip-sack, and Amendola's first touchdown (by the time of his second TD, the expected win probability was in the bag, so it didn't make much of a difference).

When they faced 3rd-and-18, it was the lowest point for them as far as the EPA model goes: 4.5% chance of winning. 5 plays and a PAT later, it was up to 35.6%, and in the mind of many fans here including Sam Ray Not, the "real" number was way north of even that.
 

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Honest question - how many LBs can cover a RB on a wheel route? Is it out scheme or players or both?
Not many, and those that can are quicker than Van Noy and Flowers. If I had to guess it's some combination of both, but I don't think that's necessarily a flaw. It's a tough throw to make- to the sidelines, downfield, ball needs to be lofted and the throw needs solid touch on it- and it's generally not going to a WR or TE. It seems like the kind of throw that, as long as the defender is reasonably close, Belichick and Patricia wouldn't have a huge problem with the offense attempting, especially if it's a less than stellar QB attempting it. A completion there requires a very good throw. Maybe I'm reaching here but allowing offenses to attempt things that are out of their comfort zones feels like something they would be doing.

Somewhat related here's Mike Leach on wheel routes:
 

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4.5% WPA on 3rd & 18? I have the greatest trust in Tom Brady to convert those ridiculous 3rd downs in crunch time I guess.
 

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Unsung heroes? The refs:
http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/01/21/championship-liveblog-jaguars-at-patriots/#liveblog-entry-53631

13:53 | 4th qtr. Looking back to the fumble recovery by the Jaguars early in the 4th quarter, there is a question as to whether Myles Jack is down by contact.

Whenever a ball is stripped from a player in possession on the ground, it is down by contact and no fumble. In this case, the ball was not in possession but taken from an opponent’s hands, so this is deemed as “contact” by the Patriots as Jack begins to take control.

Is it possible that there was no hand-to-hand contact? Yes, but there is no way that can be perceived, so the officials are instructed to treat this as down by contact.

The contact, by the way, only has to occur when a player is beginning to secure the ball. It is held until the player finishes establishing control, and is dead at that point.

This was correctly ruled as down by contact on the recovery.
 

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The body control of the “off hand” to not interfere with the receiver, against all instinct, to not commit a penalty.

It’s almost inhuman.
 

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The body control of the “off hand” to not interfere with the receiver, against all instinct, to not commit a penalty.

It’s almost inhuman.
He looks like a rocket with that beautiful launch angle. If I were good at photoshop, I could have fun with that.
 

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So, if you're in charge of NFL turning point, and you have to pick one turning point -- just one -- what's your choice?

I actually think I go with the McCourty tackle even though I think the 3rd and 18 is the more obvious pick. The delay of game penalty was also huge -- possibly a 10 point swing or more.
 

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The McCourty tackle was probably my favorite non-scoring play of the day, just because they kept converting those third downs and we kept letting them pick up those extra two or three yards when they threw short of the sticks and so I was expecting the worst and then he just stuck him.
I'm with you on this. There was one third down play earlier where Yeldin (I think) caught one crossing a couple yards short of the first and as he was cutting up Van Noy submarined him. Easily fell forward for the first so it was nice to see McCourty stand him up.
 

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The 3rd and 18 was when I felt like Jacksonville no longer had any reasonable chance to win the game.

It felt to me like the Gronk hit was the turning point, oddly enough. That woke up the Pats and the ensuing drive was their first sign of a pulse, followed by the stench of fear arising from Marrone's decision to kneel on the ball at the end of the half.
 

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The 3rd and 18 was when I felt like Jacksonville no longer had any reasonable chance to win the game.

It felt to me like the Gronk hit was the turning point, oddly enough. That woke up the Pats and the ensuing drive was their first sign of a pulse, followed by the stench of fear arising from Marrone's decision to kneel on the ball at the end of the half.
Not just with 55 seconds left, they also had two timeouts.
 

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Jax sitting on the ball didn’t seem to affect them in the 3rd quarter. Turning point was clearly 3rd and 18.
 

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The WPA for the 3D-and-18 is not 7.8%, it's 16.8% - going from minus-4.5 to plus-12.3 means they are added instead of subtracted. That makes it biggest play of the game, according to WPA.
 

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The WPA for the 3D-and-18 is not 7.8%, it's 16.8% - going from minus-4.5 to plus-12.3 means they are added instead of subtracted. That makes it biggest play of the game, according to WPA.
I might be wrong, but I don't think you can have negative win expectancy. So in the end, I suspect the 3D and 18 play only adds 7.8%, as originally posted.
 

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yeah that dash was my separator between the play description and the win probabilities (before/after the play), not a minus sign in front of the 4.5%.
 

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I bet the Jets have negative win expectancy from time to time.