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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by RedOctober3829, Feb 6, 2017.
What's obnoxious? Is there more to the quote?
Eh. I find it really tiresome when owners act as if they are doing players a favor by letting them play in the league. If anything, owning a team (a.k.a. having a license to print money) is the privilege; for most players it's a hazardous, risky career with a high chance of permanent bodily harm.
That, and the hypocrisy of the Trump connection as someone pointed out. There is kind of a racial overtone to the whole thing too, but I won't even bother trying to get into that here.
Aside from this being a thread on Trades & Moves, this is just a ridiculous post in general. Please stop on behalf of everyone.
In case anyone missed it, the Patriots quietly lost $4.5 million in cap space a couple of days ago. Apparently, after the 2011 CBA, teams were allowed to borrow against the cap up to $4.5 million. They had to pay it back by this league year. Miguel was always curious whether the Patriots had borrowed but could never get a straight answer. Apparently, they did, and have now "paid" it back in the form of a negative adjustment to their adjusted cap for this year, dropping their current cap space to about $21 million.
Denver had to do the same thing.
Noteworthy that the Saints also lost $4.5M given the Butler situation
There have been lots of posts in this thread and elsewhere about the politics / optics of potential FA signings, and I was responding to a specific question from another poster. So if you don't like the observation, you can ignore it or argue it, but it's certainly relevant to whether some players want to come here or how ownership is perceived.
So no news again eh?
Can we just stop talking about it so when this thread gets bumped there is a reasonable chance that some "news" has happened?
I agree that an argument can be made about players/politics and how that may impact the team's makeup and performance.
However, it can (and should) happen on a new thread that's appropriately titled.
Yo, new thread on this.
To be fair, that was posted before i started the thread
Rapsheet tweeted yesterday of mutual interest between the Pats and LGBT for a return. Last year he signed with the team late in free agency, April 12 to be exact.
My bad on this. Didn't check time. Also, broke out the Sherman talk.
Gillislee and Damien Williams in for a look/see, according to Reiss (sorry, it's a tweet not an article, so I'm not sure how to link):
"With the running back position one of the Patriots' top needs, the club continues to explore all options. The club hosted both Mike Gillislee and Damien Williams Wednesday, per ESPN NFL Insider Field Yates. Each player is a restricted free agent, Gillislee of the Bills, Williams of the Dolphins. If the Patriots signed Gillislee to an offer sheet and the Bills didn't match, New England would surrender a fifth-round pick to Buffalo. If the Patriots signed Williams to an offer sheet and the Dolphins didn't match, there would be no draft-pick compensation from New England to Miami."
Very interesting...like both players, though Gillislee more. Signing one of them would certainly seal Blount's fate, no?
Gillislee makes so much sense it hurts. 5'11 219 so he has some size, although not as big a Blount. Classic Pats move to weaken a division rival. 5.7 YPC last year. Turns 27 in November.
I like Gillislee as well, but I liked him more before signing Burkhead. That's 4 quality backs that need to be on the field (plus a guy like Bolden). Playing time will be fun.
As I posted a while ago in this thread, Gillislee was at the top of my offseason wishlist since he represents such a perfect fit for the Patriots style of running attack. Decisive, one-cut into the hole kind of back who follows lead-blocking fullbacks well. Would love to see the Pats go with the two-RB attack where they mix and match guys both in the running and passing game. Gillislee is also a good pass blocker when called upon so he could play any down.
Gillislee is also quite proficient as a pass catcher out of the backfield.
As much as I love the Burkhead signing, it is only a one year deal. Having Gillislee in the fold means this may not only be the most versatile backfield BB ever had, it may be the most versatile in the RB group in the whole league.
Unsure about the pass catching thing. He only has 15 career catches. May be a matter of opportunity (and QB quality).
On a completely different topic - was this posted somewhere else? If so, I missed it...Pats re-sign Brandon King
As per the general transactions thread, Jason McCourty was cut. Sign him, trade Butler to NO for #32, and move on.
Any insight on why he was cut? Performance, cap management/resource allocation, a combination?
He missed the final two games of the year with a shoulder injury and missed 12 games in 2015 due to a groin injury that required a pair of surgeries. His departure opens up $7 million in cap room for Tennessee.
A post was made in the draft contest thread about undrafted free agents. The article below seems timely, but I wanted to shift the discussion to a different thread. This seemed like an appropriate spot.
Anyone know when Buffalo's fuse on Gillisleee runs out, one way or another?
Monday, I believe.
Interesting. The effect of the paucity of draft picks is offset by the stacked-ness of the current roster, but from what you posted it seems there will be a lot of room for camp bodies, undrafted rookie, FAs, etc. They might wind up with the most talented practice squad ever.
They have enough cap space at the moment to match and to draft, but they would need to make a move or two before signing their draft picks. So, I would think if they don't have a move already in the works it will be very difficult for them to feel confident enough to match.
I guess it's possible that they have hidden money in their cap like the Patriots did with Amendola. But if not, at this point it seems likely he'll be a Patriot.
Edit: Miguel has some tweets on this. Apparently, the Bills will save about $4 million on June 1 for the cut of Aaron Williams -- assuming this elevates a $510k player to the top 51, that should be plenty of savings to sign draft picks. So, I guess ignore what I've said. They can match if they want to, though it will leave them with very little cap space without making another move. Another interesting tidbit from Miguel's twitter wall is that the Bills filed their non-match on Hogan last year on the same day as the Patriots signed him to an offer sheet, so that's at least some indication they are taking their time with Gillislee because they are considering matching.
The challenge for the Pats might be getting these players to the practice squad without other teams poaching them. Given the lack of room on the roster, there will likely be some quality players available after the final cut-down.
I could see a scenario where the Patriots use their current salary cap space to be very aggressive in regards to undrafted free agents (or at least as aggressive as you can be with UFAs) with the intention of bringing in as many, potentially really cheap, bodies into camp as possible. If they end up trying to get an undrafted free agent onto the practice squad but find he is claimed by another team, they are not really out any significant money, but if they hit on player or two they buy themselves a couple of years of cheap service which, in turn, extends their available salary cap space into future years. If I can recall correctly, I think they were fairly aggressive with UFAs last year too. Perhaps they hit on a process that they want to exploit further.
Edit: to expand on the thought... it's not that attempting to sign UFAs is some new concept. Rather, it seems to me that the Patriots in this offseason have shied away from the pattern of signing veteran free agents to compete for roster spots. Last year they signed Pot Roast, Donald Brown, Nate Washington, & Markus Kuhn but none of them made the final roster.
Jeff Howe compares this offseason to 2007's:
Oddly he ignores the Pats got a third-rounder back from Carolina in the Ealy deal.
Well, it has been somewhat difficult to keep track
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 6h6 hours ago
The next running back domino to watch: LeGarrette Blount and the #Giants. There is mutual interest there. A potential match before the draft
Blount/Vereen - worked once before
And haven't the Pats made offers to guys before to stay on their practice squad with extra financial incentives? As long as the money is on the books and counting toward the cap, is there anything against the rules with that? It is up to the player whether to accept the offer when another team tries to make a claim on the PS, right? (I know that the claimed player must be signed directly to the 53-man roster for something like 3 weeks)
I think they have paid the 53 man roster minimum to PS players before when the PS minimum is 50k or something.
Here's a decent primer on the practice squad from 2016
More at the link
So it remains hard to get someone thru to the PS after camp, but once he's there, you can use financial incentives to keep him from signing elsewhere.
I really like the suggestion offered upthread about looking to draft (and sign UDFAs) players who have potential but will be unable to play at all this year due to injury. Sign/draft and put them on IR as soon as possible.
The guys on the IR come with a modest salary cap hit, you have to pay them for the season rather than cutting them like other scrubs that don't work out.
Niners tried this strategy and it didn't really pan out. That said if they do it with some low round picks, whatever.
Im not sure there's that much more roster space for UDFA types than in a typical year.
Are there that many worthwhile injured UDFAs that you'd have much interest in?
Though in theory a practice squad player counts against the cap, in practice it doesn't happen. Only your top 51 count toward the cap, which means the Patriots would need to pay a PS player more than $615,000 for there to be any cap implications.
Rule of 51 isnt in effect during the season, all players count against the cap. Not sure exactly how practice squads work, but seems like theyd have to count otherwise there would be a loophole
That's correct. PS salaries count against the cap as they are paid out.