2015 Offseason: Non-Revis Edition
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I'd rather have Amendola at a reduced rate. He's productive, not ancient, amd contributes on the return units.ivanvamp said:
And cutting Amendola -which you would have to do ASAP to make this work - would result in 3.6m dead money this year with only 1.6m in cap savings.
It's not tenable given current priorities.
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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 6m6 minutes ago
ICYMI, My Top 6 fits for Andre Johnson's requirements, IMO: 1) Seattle 2) New England 3) Denver 4) Indy 5) Pittsburgh 6) Atlanta
Brian T. Smith @ChronBrianSmith 37m37 minutes ago
Johnson likely won't be a "1" WR on any other team. He'll sacrifice guaranteed millions, finishing career as a Texan for a shot at a ring.
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock 6m6 minutes ago
ICYMI, My Top 6 fits for Andre Johnson's requirements, IMO: 1) Seattle 2) New England 3) Denver 4) Indy 5) Pittsburgh 6) Atlanta
Brian T. Smith @ChronBrianSmith 37m37 minutes ago
Johnson likely won't be a "1" WR on any other team. He'll sacrifice guaranteed millions, finishing career as a Texan for a shot at a ring.
ivanvamp said:
Eh, I'd probably rather have Amendola.
The QB situation in Houston hasn't helped Johnson but 34-year-old WRs are generally terrible bets and his numbers show a significant decline, especially in the ability to make big plays (long passes and TDs). If we're looking at a possession receiver, then I want a guy like Amendola who definitely knows the system and is on the same page as Brady or a younger FA with room to grow. A guy like Johnson who is being asked to learn a new offense and set of reads and route trees at the point in his career when he's declining in other ways has huge Ochocinco potential.
Oh gosh, Andre Johnson is 2x the receiver Ochocinco was when we acquired him. I watched quite a bit of Texans football this past year (girlfriend is from Houston) and Andre can still ball.
His QB play over the past two seasons has been a god damn travesty.
His QB play over the past two seasons has been a god damn travesty.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
I should have qualified my statement that he was a model citizen as soon as he showed up. Plenty of players have held out (including our own Revis) and I'm not going to hold that against them for eternity. I don't think a holdout necessarily labels a guy as disgruntled. But agree to disagree there.
And I don't even think he's stomping his feet here. He's said absolutely nothing publicly, outside of thanking the Texans and their fans on Instagram. He's got a $16.1M cap hit this season. He wasn't playing under those terms, and the Texans allowed him to seek a trade (which no one will oblige). He'll be released shortly.
I'd take him over Amendola in a freaking heartbeat (and I like DA).
drleather2001 said:
3 seasons before being acquired:
Ochocinco:
2008: 13 games, 53 recs (97 tgts), 540 yards
2009: 16 games, 72 recs (128 tgts), 1047 yards
2010: 14 games, 67 recs (126 tgts), 831 yards
TOTAL: 43 games, 192 recs (351 tgts), 2418 yards
A. Johnson:
2012: 16 games, 112 recs (162 tgts), 1598 yards
2013: 16 games, 109 recs (181 tgts) 1407 yards
2014: 15 games, 85 recs (147 tgts), 936 yards
TOTAL: 47 games, 306 recs (490 tgts), 3941 yards
I mean, it isn't close.
Say what you will about Carson Palmer, but Ocho got to play with him for all but 8 games (Fitzpatrick in 2008) during this span, while Andre Johnson has been catching passes from Schaub, Keenum, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Savage, and Yates.
Corsi said:
I don't watch much Texans football (thankfully) but what are you basing that assessment on? Give me something more than "Andre can still ball."
The problem with Ochocinco wasn't that he was totally cooked at that stage in his career (although, like Johnson, he was obviously in significant decline), it was that he couldn't learn a new offense while also adapting his own game to his newfound limitations and Brady never came to have that trust in him to read the defense, adapt his routes, and be in the right place in tempo for an offense very reliant on timing and the WRs being on the same page as the QB. Why shouldn't I be worried about that being an issue with Johnson?
This. We know he knows the offense, does not need to be the focal point, and came on strong late last season. Would be more than happy if we are able to bring back Gronk, Edelman, Lafell, and Amendola, while adding someone like Roy Helu in the Vereen role (if we can't get Shane back).Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I can't speak to him having to pick up a new offense, but he was working under Bill O'Brien last season, so I can't imagine he hasn't been exposed to at least some of what the Patriots do.
I'm far from an X's and O's guy, but Johnson continually beat defenders to the football and still had the ability to muscle guys out of the way and come down with the catch. Sure, he's not 24 anymore, but his physicality can make up for some of what he's lost in speed.
I know we got burned with Ochocinco, but I really wouldn't equate the two.
He was completely cooked. He was a leathery steak when we got him. When he made cuts he looked like he was running through molasses while wearing clown shoes. I was shocked at how much quickness he'd lost. He couldn't create any separation between himself and his defender. If he still had straight line speed he could have stretched the field, but he didn't have that either.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
As for Andre, I don't think Johnson has more than a year or two left in him, but I suspect that he'll be inexpensive for a contender because he seems more interested in winning a ring since he's made his money. And while I'd love to see him catching passes from Brady I agree that Revis comes first. They can live without AJ.
It seems we're basing this more on the fact that he's kinda like Ochocinco, as opposed to:
1-He was 5th in AFC in receptions and 13th in yards in the season that just ended.
2-The prior year he was 2nd in AFC in catches, 1 behind Brown, and had 1400 yards.
3-The year before that he was 2nd in AFC in catches, behind Welker, and had 1600 yards.
I get that he's old, but if they can work out a team-friendly deal where's the downside? He's not 2 years removed from his last good season. His last good season was this year.
1-He was 5th in AFC in receptions and 13th in yards in the season that just ended.
2-The prior year he was 2nd in AFC in catches, 1 behind Brown, and had 1400 yards.
3-The year before that he was 2nd in AFC in catches, behind Welker, and had 1600 yards.
I get that he's old, but if they can work out a team-friendly deal where's the downside? He's not 2 years removed from his last good season. His last good season was this year.
I would love to see Johnson on this team, as I do think he would be mentioned among the greats at the position of he played for anything other than the perennial QB clusterfuck that is the Texans. But I don't think the cap is friendly to this happening, even with a few big deals (Mayo, Wilfork, Vollmer) reworked. There are too many other holes that are more pressing this year, even though that would be a scary lineup in 4-wide (LaFell, Edelman, Gronk, Amendola, Johnson).
How close is BOB's offense to what he ran as our OC? Anyone know? I'm with those who would like a crack at seeing what this 34-year old WR can do.
He's baaccckkkk. Bubba (Ray) Ventrone is coming back to New England as a special teams coach.
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Isn't it a pretty big red flag if BOB told Johnson that he's going to only catch 40 balls next year? Houston doesn't have anything resembling a third option. Other than Johnson and Hopkins, Damaris Johnson (31 catches for 331 yards) is the only other WR who caught more than SIX passes last year. If they don't think he could catch 50-60 passes at least for the Texans in 2015, he must be pretty close to cooked.Papelbon's Poutine said:
Mystic Merlin said:
BINGO!
Unless he's willing to come here on a crazy cheap deal, I just don't see the Pats going through all of this for what might not end up being an overall upgrade.
Johnson is in decline. He doesn't contribute in the return game. There's the $3.6M dead money hit if we cut Amendola. I just don't see it.
ElcaballitoMVP said:
Amendola is also the only guy on the roster who can approximate what Edelman does for the offense if Minitron misses a few games (which is not that unlikely). I don't see BB cutting him.
Adam Caplan @caplannfl 6s6 seconds ago
The #Eagles will be releasing Trent Cole after both sides could not agree on a revised contract, a league source confirmed.
The #Eagles will be releasing Trent Cole after both sides could not agree on a revised contract, a league source confirmed.
I have been a huge fan of Andre Johnson since he came into the league, and while I understand a 34 year old WR is a risk, I think the Pats can afford to go after him. As Drew Dawg said, he had a pretty solid year last year, even if he didn't put up the kind of numbers he normally does. And even though he has been in the league forever, we still don't really know how good he can actually be, since he has never played with an above-average quarterback. If he regresses a little bit athletically because of age, his production could still pick up because he is playing with Tom Brady and not Ryan Fitzpatrick/Case Keenum/Ryan Mallet.
On a side note, I think he is a HOF. Already at 1,000+ catches and 13,000+ recieving yards with some more damage to do despite playing a majority of his career with Matt Schaub and David Carr. That is some impressive stuff.
On a side note, I think he is a HOF. Already at 1,000+ catches and 13,000+ recieving yards with some more damage to do despite playing a majority of his career with Matt Schaub and David Carr. That is some impressive stuff.
Me too, but two obstacles from my standpoint. Some team is likely to offer real money.
Plus, having bought high on Amendola, I don't see the Pats now selling low. Everyone here assumed he was dead man walking during most of last season, but he showed enough at the end to warrant keeping around, especially considering the cap hit of letting him go.
So how much can they afford to tie up in this position given their needs and where they stand against the cap?
Plus, having bought high on Amendola, I don't see the Pats now selling low. Everyone here assumed he was dead man walking during most of last season, but he showed enough at the end to warrant keeping around, especially considering the cap hit of letting him go.
So how much can they afford to tie up in this position given their needs and where they stand against the cap?
Not to get too far afield, but WR HOF candidacies are getting even more complicated in this era.Kliq said:
Anquan Boldin has 940 catches and 12,400 yards. Is he a Hall of Famer?
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Filed to ESPN: Bills have notified LB Kiko Alonso he is going to be traded to Philadelphia for RB LeSean McCoy. Trade official next week.
Pretty rare to see a big player-for-player trade like this.
Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter Filed to ESPN: Bills have notified LB Kiko Alonso he is going to be traded to Philadelphia for RB LeSean McCoy. Trade official next week.
Pretty rare to see a big player-for-player trade like this.
Wow. Wonder if they sign Spiller now too.
He had the perfect offense for his skill set in Philly. With Rex, I just don't see it. Nice trade by Chip.
He had the perfect offense for his skill set in Philly. With Rex, I just don't see it. Nice trade by Chip.
I'm furious if I'm a Bills fan. They are on the brink of swapping Alonzo and Spiller for McCoy and David Harris.
Edit: and pay millions more for that "privilege".
Edit: and pay millions more for that "privilege".
Per Andrew Brandt:
Updated: Kiko Alonso has 2 years left on contract at $746,000 and $942,000. LeSean McCoy has 3 years left at $10.25M, $6.9M and $7.6M.
Good job Rex!
Updated: Kiko Alonso has 2 years left on contract at $746,000 and $942,000. LeSean McCoy has 3 years left at $10.25M, $6.9M and $7.6M.
Good job Rex!
This could far apart during the physical, but if Alonso is heathy I think this is a win for Philly. Alonso has had character concerns, but Kelly - his college coach - must not think much of them.
AshleyFoxESPN Ashley Fox
Asked someone close to Shady last week what was Chip Kelly's problem with him. He shook his head. "I don't know, man. The guy has produced."
Asked someone close to Shady last week what was Chip Kelly's problem with him. He shook his head. "I don't know, man. The guy has produced."
Guess who had more carries last two years than Murray?
That'd be the newest Bill, McCoy 626 to 609.
That'd be the newest Bill, McCoy 626 to 609.
This is a trade that looks a lot different if there was no salary cap. On paper, you don't trade a top-3 back for a LB. But the salaries make the difference.
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By my count, the Eagles cleared $22.625 million in cap room today. I have to believe they have concrete plans for it.
By my count, the Eagles cleared $22.625 million in cap room today. I have to believe they have concrete plans for it.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
The toughest thing about judging these things is that last year's number 3 back might not be a top ten guy next year. McCoy's had his 1800 touches in six seasons and Lord knows* how many injuries. Is he slowing down that tiny bit that makes a difference?
*Chip Kelly in fact may know
I believe Alonso actually has three years left because the year he missed was with a non-football injury. I love the trade.
PFF's run block rankings for Eagles O-lines, 2014 to 2010: 1st, 1st, 5th, 1st, 11th. McCoy was 18th in YPC last season; his career average would've put him 11th. -15 expected points added, 32nd in success rate.… He turns 27, he's had 706 touches under Kelly, and he's the second-highest paid running back. I don't know anything about Alonso, but good trade.
I don't know a ton about football, but I've watched a lot of Eagles games and for all the talk about Shady as a Sanders clone, he really struggles when his line does. He's great in open space and can break some tackles in the backfield, but he's definitely not a back that seems to be able to turn nothing into something regularly the way say Blount can just by picking a hole and pushing forward hard for a few years. He's got a bit of the Maroney stutterstep in him and at times seems like he's trying to do too much when there's a small gain to be had.rotundlio said:
This is a team that pretty much wasted good years of both Spiller and Fred Jackson, after trading away Marshawn Lynch.
Sure coaching staff has had a lot of changes but cannot think of an organization that does less with more when it comes to talented running backs in their stable.
Sure coaching staff has had a lot of changes but cannot think of an organization that does less with more when it comes to talented running backs in their stable.
Pretty much this. Insane to look at that roster from a few years ago.SeoulSoxFan said:
Hell, could you argue that -- aside from QB, obviously, TE, and K -- the 2014 Bills had more talent at just about every position than the 2014 Colts?