2015-16 Brooklyn Nets (caretakers of the Ben Simmons pick)

[tims4wins]

This is where we disagree. Philadelphia in 2013 was a chance to start from scratch, a cap that could be cleaned up and an array of picks coming in, so you really could build a young core. We know the Nets pick situation and their cap can be cleaned up, but I think the issue is going to be getting anyone of consequence to go there. LA has proven that having a big, attractive market and a check with a lot of zeros doesnt necessarily get you talent. With regards to the current roster, I dont think there is anyone of consequence who is actually going to be better in 2 years than they are right now.

Let me ask you this. Can you think of a team who couldnt win 30 games, which wasnt the results of injury, then didnt add anyone significant via the draft in the next 3 years and actually showed a marked improvement in 3 years?

The 2008 Celtics?

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

The 2008 Celtics?

No. It took a lotto pick and two more 1st rounders to bring in Ray and KG. The Nets have no ability to use the draft at all for the next seasons.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

This is where we disagree. Philadelphia in 2013 was a chance to start from scratch, a cap that could be cleaned up and an array of picks coming in, so you really could build a young core. We know the Nets pick situation and their cap can be cleaned up, but I think the issue is going to be getting anyone of consequence to go there. LA has proven that having a big, attractive market and a check with a lot of zeros doesnt necessarily get you talent. With regards to the current roster, I dont think there is anyone of consequence who is actually going to be better in 2 years than they are right now.

Let me ask you this. Can you think of a team who couldnt win 30 games, which wasnt the results of injury, then didnt add anyone significant via the draft in the next 3 years and actually showed a marked improvement in 3 years?

Every challenge is different and the lack of picks buys Marks security throughout his contract without trying to sell a Hinkie fantasy to the owners. The expectations aren't for a quick turnaround and you don't turn down these type of opportunities in real life.

I wonder how many of those criticizing Marks decision would react if you received a job offer from a competitor that increased your salary from $90k to $500k plus perks along with autonomy to run your program rather than being a yes man without really having an impact in your current $90k job? Oh and the $500k comes with some unique job security due to the floor being so low. It's not even a no-brainier it's whatever is a bump ahead of that......you run home screaming to your wife and bawling your eyes out! (Obv not directing this to anyone personally)

 

[bowiac]

I wonder how many of those criticizing Marks decision would react if you received a job offer from a competitor that increased your salary from $90k to $500k plus perks along with autonomy to run your program rather than being a yes man without really having an impact in your current $90k job? Oh and the $500k comes with some unique job security due to the floor being so low. It's not even a no-brainier it's whatever is a bump ahead of that......you run home screaming to your wife and bawling your eyes out! (Obv not directing this to anyone personally)

Posts like this make me wish we had a reddit style upvoting button. +1.

 

[wutang112878]

I wonder how many of those criticizing Marks decision would react if you received a job offer from a competitor that increased your salary from $90k to $500k plus perks along with autonomy to run your program rather than being a yes man without really having an impact in your current $90k job? Oh and the $500k comes with some unique job security due to the floor being so low. It's not even a no-brainier it's whatever is a bump ahead of that......you run home screaming to your wife and bawling your eyes out! (Obv not directing this to anyone personally)

I just look at this a little differently because I am thinking about the other 500K jobs that are available. Its sort of the same way Josh McDaniels has taken himself out of the running for a couple of jobs because I'm sure there are some he didnt feel he would get, but there had to be some that he just didnt think was a good fit. If his options were 90k or 500k job and thats it, thats one thing, but its 90k, 500k or maybe/probably (if he is that good) another 500k offer. Thats really the crux of my critique, personally I'd hold out for another offer.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

I just look at this a little differently because I am thinking about the other 500K jobs that are available. Its sort of the same way Josh McDaniels has taken himself out of the running for a couple of jobs because I'm sure there are some he didnt feel he would get, but there had to be some that he just didnt think was a good fit. If his options were 90k or 500k job and thats it, thats one thing, but its 90k, 500k or maybe/probably (if he is that good) another 500k offer. Thats really the crux of my critique, personally I'd hold out for another offer.

How many GM jobs come open with the franchise in good shape?

Also, let's not forget something: the Nets have the potential to be a sleeping giant. Huge market that should be attractive to free agents eventually, strong brand, owner willing to pay the luxury tax, brand new arena, etc. Those sorts of jobs come open even less frequently than GM jobs in general; if Marks can weather the next couple of seasons, the upside in Brooklyn is huge. Additionally, Marks gets to hire his own coach in Brooklyn. Another huge benefit. How often do we see GM/Coaching combos that aren't on the same page?

It's easy to say "wait for another offer." But what's the other offer and when is it coming? And why is it better than the Brooklyn job?