2014 Jets: Report -- Rex & Idzik both to be let go
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Talk about a underhanded softball right down the middle: Eric Decker crowdsources die-hard Jets fans with predictable results:
Even more than that, the Jets entered Day 2 of that draft with Jacksonville, Philly, and Arizona all ahead of them in the second round - teams that all had crappy situations and might plausibly draft Geno - and yet were perfectly content to stand pat.Tony C said:
I think the Jets drafted Geno because he was the top-rated QB on most boards, he was still available at the 39th pick in the draft, and they didn't have much to lose by taking a shot given that they had no other QB, not because anybody in the organization was particularly high on him. The media might have tried to turn him into the New Savior but the reality is that he was never Rex's guy or Idzik's guy, but just a guy who happened to fall into their lap that they deemed (not unreasonably, given their other QB options) worth taking a shot on.
TomRicardo said:
I think they preferred Matt Simms, and Boyd was an spread-option QB that didn't make the transition to pro-style offense.
Since Simms went to the practice squad, Boyd ended up... huh. Just looked him up and he's playing with Jon Halapio on the Boston Brawlers.
Trlicek's Whip said:
To add to the comedy, Eric Decker's wife throws gasoline onto the ordeal by tweeting this little molotov cocktail:
The obvious ensues and Mrs. Decker eventually deletes her Twitter account that had over 300k followers:
http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/eric-decker-learns-it-doesnt-pay-to-be-nice-when-youre-1-7/
Tic. Tac. Doh!!
DavidTai said:
Looks like ex-Pats Wilson Van Hooser and R.J. Mattes also play for the Brawlers.
This may be the Jetsiest season ever. The meltdown this year has been glorious to watch, and we're only in week 9. What's going to happen down the stretch when the Jets are 2-11 or whatever and Rex is a lame duck who knows he's out of a job?
Ralphwiggum said:
Well, there's Chris Johnson starting to grumble about his role, the inevitable Vick injury, the players' reaction to eventual Rex firing, and possibly a billboard:
It's up to $1,850!
https://fundly.com/firejohnidzik-com
$3510, this is awesome! The billboard should be open for business in time for next week's PIT matchup.
I can't take any joy in this initiative. Idzik is inept, yet I sort of feel bad for the guy.
Plus, I really really want him around for a few more years.
Plus, I really really want him around for a few more years.
http://youtu.be/r4xGGgz5TcI
http://youtu.be/r4xGGgz5TcI
This is amazing.
I hope Pats fans don't turn on the team some years down the road when we're wandering the desert.
Man, totally brutal.
http://youtu.be/r4xGGgz5TcI
This is amazing.
I hope Pats fans don't turn on the team some years down the road when we're wandering the desert.
Man, totally brutal.
As much as I'd like for Idzik to stay, I think the press conference cut his survival rate down to about 30%. The national & NY media just ate it up.
Now, just as interesting storyline is the race for Mariota.
Here is the current draft order for teams with 2 wins or less, with its current record, future schedule %, and #rank according to FO (higher the number the more difficult the schedule):
That leaves the Jets, Bucs, and to a lesser degree the Titans (Locker & Mettenberger), unless another team moves up (Eagles?) to grab the #1 overall pick.
So I'm rooting very, very hard for Vick the rest of the season. Even a 3-13 record may keep them out of the Mariota sweepstakes by a mere pick or two, which would be the loveliest gift come New Year.
Now, a little under-the-radar storyline to keep track of. D'Brickshaw Ferguson will be 31 in December and now ranks "43rd of 72 tackles in the NFL. He is 21st in pass blocking and 61st in run blocking." Based on his declining productivity, his cap hit now becomes unsustainable come 2015~2017 (source):
This is the vicious cycle of a poorly managed & poorly drafted team.
Now, just as interesting storyline is the race for Mariota.
Here is the current draft order for teams with 2 wins or less, with its current record, future schedule %, and #rank according to FO (higher the number the more difficult the schedule):
- Raiders (0-7): 14.2% #1
- Jets (1-7): 2.2% #10
- Jags (1-7): 3.4% #8
- Bucs (1-6): 0.1% #14
- Titans (2-6): 0.6% #13
- Falcons (2-6): -5.5% #27
- Rams (2-6): 4.4% #5
That leaves the Jets, Bucs, and to a lesser degree the Titans (Locker & Mettenberger), unless another team moves up (Eagles?) to grab the #1 overall pick.
So I'm rooting very, very hard for Vick the rest of the season. Even a 3-13 record may keep them out of the Mariota sweepstakes by a mere pick or two, which would be the loveliest gift come New Year.
Now, a little under-the-radar storyline to keep track of. D'Brickshaw Ferguson will be 31 in December and now ranks "43rd of 72 tackles in the NFL. He is 21st in pass blocking and 61st in run blocking." Based on his declining productivity, his cap hit now becomes unsustainable come 2015~2017 (source):
- 2015: $11.698m cap figure, $9.012m dead money (dead money keeps him a Jet)
- 2016: $14.107m cap figure, $5.014m dead money (fun starts here)
- 2017: $14.307m cap figure, $1.282m dead money
This is the vicious cycle of a poorly managed & poorly drafted team.
Slow Rheal said:
Already up to $5,020 as every NY media picked up the story.
Edit: in the "you just can't make this up" department, Incarcerated Bob has chimed in with the 3rd highest donation at $300. So, so rich.
I don't think Carr's safe, depending on how the rest of the season unfolds. Oakland is 24th in comp%, 31st in Y/A, 29th in QB rating. If Oakland continues to play poorly enough that the Raiders have the #1 overall pick, they could go right back to the QB well, a la the 2011 Panthers. Obviously that's especially true if McKenzie gets the axe.
Super Nomario said:
Carr's problem is he has no offensive line. Getting another rookie QB doesn't fix that problem
I don't disagree - and the receiving corps is pretty weak, too. This is a problem that a lot of these teams with crappy offenses run into - do you try to fix QB first or fix everything else? Can you even evaluate the QB position if the rest of the O is garbage? Ultimately, you can get value at other positions later, but top-flight QBs are rarely available outside the very top of the draft. If they think Mariota or Winston is the real deal, I don't think they can pass him up, even if he's likely to struggle right away with a lousy supporting cast.TomRicardo said:
Super Nomario said:
I don't quite agree, but do hope you're right on this SN.
I tend to think Raiders' lack of skill players outside of Carr hurts him badly (as well as the OL), but more teams in the pot for Mariota the merrier.
Plus, 2015 FA QB class is not exactly earth shattering:
- Dominique Davis
- Tyrod Taylor
- Thaddeus Lewis
- Joe Webb
- Jordan Palmer
- Jason Campbell
- Josh Johnson
- Zac Robinson
- Brian Hoyer
- Caleb Hanie
- Dan Orlovsky
- Kellen Moore
- Matt Flynn
- Scott Tolzien
- Matt Hasselbeck
- Ricky Stanzi
- Matt Moore
- Pat Devlin
- Christian Ponder
- Ryan Mallett
- Luke McCown
- Curtis Painter
- Rusty Smith
- Michael Vick
- Trent Edwards
- Mark Sanchez
- Tarvaris Jackson
- Terrelle Pryor
- Blaine Gabbert
- Shaun Hill
- Austin Davis
- Jake Locker
- Colt McCoy
SeoulSoxFan said:
So pretty much every backup QB in the league is available? It will make for an interesting shuffle there.
I think the Raiders stick with Carr at least another season. Ricardo is right, they have too many other holes to fill to worry about QB right now.
But then again, some guy named Davis owns the team.
But then again again, if some guy runs a 4.28 in the combine, you KNOW that's their pick, no matter the position.
45 years of woulda, coulda, shoulda, mighta, Rich Kotite, Mark Gastineau roughing the passer, Don Shula not covering the field the night before the AFCCG as a monsoon approaches, stealing Parcells away from New England and losing the AFCCG to Denver, Testaverde blowing out his Achilles the year after when the whole world penciled them into the Super Bowl, having their field goal kicker miss a chip shot vs the Steelers that would have put them in the AFCCG vs New England, back to back AFCCG losses and the Butt Fumble will do that to a fan base.simplyeric said:
Isn't it preordained that Jameis Winston becomes a Jet? Imagine him in NYC with all that money. Let the fun begin.
The bolded seems backwards to me - QB is the most important position on the team. If they're not sold on Mariota or Winston, they shouldn't reach for him at the top of the draft, but if they do really like one of those guys they should go for it. Why end up where the Jets are this year, when your second-year QB hasn't taken a step forward and you've wasted a season?DanoooME said:
You're right, they need to make a decision -- fish or cut bait -- on Carr after this year. Same as the Jets with Sanchez and now Geno (or the Rams with Bradford), the worst thing you can do is stick by a QB who doesn't have it. It's true that you can't tell by stats due to all the noise/variables on a football team, but they see the guy every day so they need to be able to make that call.
My sense is they'll end up thinking Carr can be their guy if he has a supporting cast. Either because that's true (I kind of think it is) or because, as with the Jets and Rams, they won't have the balls to cut bait early.
If that's the case, assuming they get the 1st pick wouldn't their best bet to trade the #1 overall to a club that can given them a bunch of picks/players? The Raiders have so many needs, and with the desperation of QB needy teams, that sort of trade seems like a no-brainer.
My sense is they'll end up thinking Carr can be their guy if he has a supporting cast. Either because that's true (I kind of think it is) or because, as with the Jets and Rams, they won't have the balls to cut bait early.
If that's the case, assuming they get the 1st pick wouldn't their best bet to trade the #1 overall to a club that can given them a bunch of picks/players? The Raiders have so many needs, and with the desperation of QB needy teams, that sort of trade seems like a no-brainer.
Tony C said:
If BB was running the Raiders, wouldn't he sell the #1 pick to the highest bidder? That's exactly what Raiders should do. And if that happens, no Mariota for Jets unless....
...Idzik is so desperate for a turnaround that he lumps in a 2nd this year or a 1st next year to move up 3-4 spots to take Raiders' #1. That's a very plausible scenario to me.
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DanoooME said:
...and back to Geno next week: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000420968/article/geno-smith-could-start-again-for-jets-by-week-10?campaign=Twitter_atl
It's like running over a roadkill.
I assume this just means they decided to go full 76ers, and Geno gives them the best shot to win the #1 pick.SeoulSoxFan said:
File under "Insult to Injury" the fact that Sanchez entered the PHI/HOU game after Foles went out due to injury and is currently 10-16/153/1TD/1INT
And Foles turned it over once.Ed Hillel said:
They had similar days with Sanchez playing 3 times as long as Foles. YPA was close, Foles had a better CMP%, but Sanchez' was still excellent. Foles had 1 TD and 1 INT in a quarter, Sanchez had 2 TD and 2 INT in 3 quarters.
Foles took 2 sacks in the first, Sanchez took only 2 the rest of the way, which is likely what the HOU announcers were referring to.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11826572/plane-fire-john-idzik-sign-flies-new-york-jets-hq
Plane flies over Jets practice field trailing "Fire John Idzik!" sign.
Plane flies over Jets practice field trailing "Fire John Idzik!" sign.
dbn said:
Yeah, it's one thing when Red Sox message boards try and scratch together some funds to troll you and your awful team via a billboard, but its definitely not good when apparently multiple Jets fans/groups are also financing everything from multiple billboards, to newspaper ads to flying messages calling for your firing...
Six degrees of suck.tims4wins said:
On that article, don't miss Kapler's pretty succinct recap of what led to theTheYaz67 said:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11827098
Of course, the logical place to look are the FA signings and the draft for Idzik's failures.
His off-season signings put not 1, but 2 "busts" in the top 10 FA flops according to NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000423361/article/saints-jairus-byrd-leads-list-of-top-10-freeagent-flops
(Just in case you missed it, Andrew & I had a detailed report on CJ2K's decline: http://central.sonsofsamhorn.net/nfl/the-wheels-fall-off-c2k-and-the-predictability-of-breakaway-backs-losing-their-burst/)
The 1-2 punch continues with the embattled GM going "generous 3 for 12" in the 2014 draft: http://nypost.com/2014/09/30/john-idziks-draft-a-dirty-dozen-so-far/
This is on top of the Milliner saga, 9th pick of the 2013 draft and the Revis replacement. After being hobbled by inconsistency & injuries, the self-proclaimed best CB in the game is currently out for the season with a torn achilles.
His off-season signings put not 1, but 2 "busts" in the top 10 FA flops according to NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000423361/article/saints-jairus-byrd-leads-list-of-top-10-freeagent-flops
(Just in case you missed it, Andrew & I had a detailed report on CJ2K's decline: http://central.sonsofsamhorn.net/nfl/the-wheels-fall-off-c2k-and-the-predictability-of-breakaway-backs-losing-their-burst/)
The 1-2 punch continues with the embattled GM going "generous 3 for 12" in the 2014 draft: http://nypost.com/2014/09/30/john-idziks-draft-a-dirty-dozen-so-far/
This is on top of the Milliner saga, 9th pick of the 2013 draft and the Revis replacement. After being hobbled by inconsistency & injuries, the self-proclaimed best CB in the game is currently out for the season with a torn achilles.
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