2013 Jets: Rex back for 2014

[Otis Foster]

It's an interesting article. There is a reluctance to abandon a project and an impulse to keep hoping for a
deus ex machina solution. Surowiecki doesn't mention another factor in play when you replace an executive: the new guy's desire to show how smart he is by trashing his predecessor's accomplishments, just for the sake of doing it. Simply human nature at work.

In any event, you're a prospective GM. You take a look at the NYJ and see (a) an owner who channels James Dolan and apparently meddles in football decisions; (b) a head coach not of your choosing, who can't be replaced (at least for next year) and who will be very reluctant to agree to anything that impinges on his authority; (c) a QB with a poor track record and an impossible contract; and (d) a disillusioned fan base whose team is a laugh line on ESPN. Well, maybe if you're a driven personality you'd take it on - NYC is center stage - but only if you can define your own authority. If you're going to have your fingerprints on success or failure, then you need the flexibility to determine which it will be. In this case, it can't happen.

 

[Tony C]

Well, another way of looking at it if I'm a prospective GM is:

-the team will be a disaster next year and I won't be blamed for it.
-I can compound and compress that disaster by taking as many salary cap hits as possible during 2013 such that books are much more clear for 2014.
-that disaster will allow me to fire Ryan and clean house.
-I start a rebuilding project with the 2013 draft and, in filling out the roster for 2013 with some fliers on under the radar guys (like Tebow -- I kid I kid!!). I continue the rebuild with a relatively clean slate in 2014, with my guys in place once I fire Ryan and his boys, and with the advantages in rebuilding that any NY team has in terms of revenue streams and the ability to attract free agents.

It seems to me there's the opportunity to be a hero, here.

I don't know, I'm probably not taking into account how constrained the team will still be in 2014 cap-wise and just how bad the talent base is as it stands. Here's a pretty comprehensive overview of how bare the cupboard is:

http://www.footballp...ii-the-offense/

(that's the offense overview, there's a link in the piece for the defense).

Think how bad it'd be for the Jets if they had managed to sign Asomugha and not had to fallback on Cromartie -- good luck there.

 

[mwonow]

Well, another way of looking at it if I'm a prospective GM is:

-the team will be a disaster next year and I won't be blamed for it.
-I can compound and compress that disaster by taking as many salary cap hits as possible during 2013 such that books are much more clear for 2014.
-that disaster will allow me to fire Ryan and clean house.
-I start a rebuilding project with the 2013 draft and, in filling out the roster for 2013 with some fliers on under the radar guys (like Tebow -- I kid I kid!!). I continue the rebuild with a relatively clean slate in 2014, with my guys in place once I fire Ryan and his boys, and with the advantages in rebuilding that any NY team has in terms of revenue streams and the ability to attract free agents.

It seems to me there's the opportunity to be a hero, here.

I don't know, I'm probably not taking into account how constrained the team will still be in 2014 cap-wise and just how bad the talent base is as it stands. Here's a pretty comprehensive overview of how bare the cupboard is:

http://www.footballp...ii-the-offense/

(that's the offense overview, there's a link in the piece for the defense).

Think how bad it'd be for the Jets if they had managed to sign Asomugha and not had to fallback on Cromartie -- good luck there.

Great articles (O and D both) - thanks for sharing!

 

[glennhoffmania]

-that disaster will allow me to fire Ryan and clean house.

I agree with everything you said except this item would scare me. What if Woody refuses to let you fire Rex? Then you're in the same horrible situation but stuck with a coach who knows you wanted him gone but you lost the power struggle.

 

[Greg29fan]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Seattle executive John Idzik has emerged as clear frontrunner to become Jets' new GM and could be offered the job as early as tonight.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Per Bleacher Report:

In addition to all this coaching carousel talk, Seattle stands to lose a central figure in their front office, VP of Football Operations, John Idzik, as he interviews with the Jets for their vacant GM position for a 2nd time today. Idzik, from what I understand, has been an integral piece of Seattle's rebuild and the man behind the salary cap management over the past few years. The Seahawks have been tight with their money, but this frugality has led Seattle to become one of the best-managed franchises in the NFL over the past two or three years, a stark contrast to teams like the Raiders and Ravens, for instance, who face the possibility of dropping key players because of cap overages.

According to the Seahawks' website, Idzik "oversees player negotiations, the team's compliance with the NFL salary cap, player personnel transactions, all football operations budgets, staff and team contracts, team travel and most aspects of the day-to-day football operations while also remaining active in player evaluations."

There's the zig-zagging Jets again. When most of us thought they'd go for a player evaluator, they will now reportedly offer the job to a -- mostly -- cap guy. (He does have some scouting background and was on the road for player evaluations from time to time).

You know what that means boys and girls? Yes, Rex will continue to shop for the groceries.

I don't get it -- Tanny manipulated the cap space as well as he could. It is not that he couldn't work the numbers, he made bad bets on players and mortgaged the future in lieu of a mirage title.

 

[jsinger121]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
The Jets have hired John Idzik, formerly of the Seahawks, as their new GM. Done deal. Negotiations are complete.

 

[PBDWake]

They've also hired Marty Morninwheg as OC

The Sideline View's Adam Caplan reports the Jets are expected to hire Marty Mornhinweg as offensive coordinator.
Mornhinweg spent the past seven seasons as Andy Reid's offensive coordinator in Philadelphia. He will replace Tony Sparano's spitball offense with a West Coast, pass-first system that will be very different from what the Jets have run in recent years. Mornhinweg's hire will be less impactful than the offensive roster moves the Jets make this offseason. They need better players. If Michael Vick is released by the Eagles, as expected, it will be interesting to see whether he reunites with Mornhinweg in New York. The NY Daily News reported in mid-December that Jets head coach Rex Ryan "loves" Vick.

 

[Jinhocho]

So ground and pound is dead? That means in comes the West Coast offense and...Michael Vick?

 

[Tony C]

I'm guessing Flynn would be the best fit. Sanchez certainly doesn't fit well at all with a West Coast offense, I don't think -- inaccurate and a poor decision-maker. I know Flynn isn't expensive, but he's not cheap either -- they'd really have to cut to the bone to sign on another QB with even a mid-level QB contract.

 

[Granite Sox]

Myers not impressed. With either Vick or Sanchize at QB, Ghostbuster-like forces are aligning for a spectacular implosion.

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1243069

 

[Jnai]

Of course it's not happening with Marty Morninwheg as the OC, but I'm kind of surprised the Jets wouldn't look to the Seahawks, Redskins, and 49ers and look to draft a modern option-style QB to use as a stopgap until you can draft a good passer. It seems to make a lot of sense - the QB itself it a cheaper part, you get a scheme advantage by having your QB as a run-threat, and you have to install a new offense anyway.

In addition, you don't really have the pieces to run a West Coast scheme - you have few pieces at receiver and I'm not sure what Shonn Greene does in that system either, since he's definitely not a pass-catching back.

But let's be honest, the biggest problem with a West Coast scheme is that you have a QB who's really unsuited for it, and he's supposed to be paid a ton of money. And, West Coast passers aren't really cheap, at least in the sense option QBs are cheap.

The Jets have really dug themselves into an interesting hole here.

 

[dcmissle]

The GM hire is objectively good because it clarifies beyond any doubt what has been the case for a while. Rex calls the shots on roster composition. No more shuck and jive that would make even the Red Sox front office blush.

There are only 2 guys left to roll under the bus. Rex and Woody.

 

[LondonSox]

Marty Morninwheg? Wow. Good luck with that. Stubborn as you like play caller with a very poor recent record despite high amounts of talent. Let's see what he does with sanchize etc.
Btw good luck in the red zone because he cannot call plays in the red zone for shit, the only exception being 2011 when McCoy had a stellar red zone campaign and the call just needed to be give it to shady

 

[Return of the Dewey]

Circus is in full swing....JETS OWNER WOODY JOHNSON CLAIMS TIM TEBOW WAS ‘FORCED’ ON HIM

 

[bankshot1]

What happened to "Woody's proclamation, "you can't have too much Tebow." ?

Jets are a 1 ring circus, and they got that ring in 1969.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

How can the owner say that? He's the fucking owner!

 

[bankshot1]

Just reported on WFAN: Rex runs red light in PA, 3-car accident, no injuries.

I guess he's back to ground and pound

 

[RedOctober3829]

Just reported on WFAN: Rex runs red light in PA, 3-car accident, no injuries.

I guess he's back to ground and pound

Rex Ryan was already having a multi-car pileup of an offseason, metaphorically. Now comes word that the Jets head coach literally had one last week: A tipster wrote us yesterday to say that a week earlier, Ryan was in a three-car crash in Bethlehem, Pa.
The tip said that Ryan had sped through an intersection, only to have his car collide with another vehicle, which in turn crashed into a third. A source with the Bethlehem police department confirmed those details, except for the speeding.
According to the police, Ryan was driving a red Mustang westbound on West 3rd Street in Bethlehem at 6:14 p.m. on Jan. 14 when he allegedly ran a red light at the intersection of West 3rd and Wyandotte Street. The Mustang collided with another vehicle, sending it crashing into the third vehicle. "It's a blind hill to some degree," a police source said, describing the intersection. "It kind of crests at Wyandotte Street."
The police source said Ryan denied he was speeding, and that the damage at the scene did not indicate he had been speeding. The police source added that Ryan allegedly did not deny he ran the red light, however. All three vehicles sustained what the police source described as "moderate" damage. There were no injuries, and the police source did not say whether Ryan had been given a citation.
Our tipster speculated that Ryan might have been driving through Bethlehem because he was on his way to meet with Marty Mornhinweg, the former Eagles offensive coordinator hired over the weekend to the same position with the Jets. We could not confirm why Ryan was driving through Bethlehem, Pa., in the early evening hours last Monday.

http://deadspin.com/5978065/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[Koufax]

What the heck is an NFL head coach doing driving a Mustang? That alone will get him laughed out of the clubhouse.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

What the heck is an NFL head coach doing driving a Mustang? That alone will get him laughed out of the clubhouse.

He bought it in honor of Tebow. Why is that not clear to everyone?!?!11!

 

[johnmd20]

He was in Bethlehem.(lehigh grad here, by the way) He was probably trying to find Jesus. Didn't he realize he had Jesus on his roster this season?

 

[bankshot1]

What the heck is an NFL head coach doing driving a Mustang? That alone will get him laughed out of the clubhouse.

It was Tannenbaum's decision.

 

[axx]

What, no foot jokes?

 

[hikeeba]

I guess it just doesn't surprise anyone that he has a lead foot.

 

[dcmissle]

and Woody wants to sell Revis island?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/23/report-woody-johnson-wants-to-explore-a-darrelle-revis-trade/

 

[Dogman]

Given the question of his health and then his impending FA, what is Revis worth on the trade market? 
 
Do you go with a 1+ and hope he is healthy and will sign a contract?  I don't think you can.  
 
I think, based on the above, you offer a #2 and #7 and hope the Jets bite.  
 
They are gonna want a a boatload to ship their island elsewhere.

 

[Shelterdog]

and Woody wants to sell Revis island? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/23/report-woody-johnson-wants-to-explore-a-darrelle-revis-trade/

 
 
Not a terrible idea.  They can't franchise Revis after this year so it's essentially have him for one year and overpay/risk losing him for nothing, or trade him now. 

 

[Dogman]

I like the idea.  It makes tons of fiscal sense as well as adding picks that a building phase needs. 

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

It's the BEST idea to come out of the swamps in a long time (which has been percolating in the depths of Jets forums).
 
Added problem: Cromartie also has the 8th highest salary as a corner in 2012 with $8.25m (runs through 2014). Even if Revis "only" slightly outdoes the current $$$ "champ" Bailey at $11.5m/year (also through 2014), that's likely over $21m+ devoted to 2 corners -- aka a whopping 1/6th of the entire cap. BTW, Revis is only 1 year younger than Cromartie (28).
 
That's unsustainable, not just unmanageable, given their swiss cheese of a roster.
 
Too bad Jets will never trade to the Pats, and Pats won't consider doing a reverse-Curtis Martin. It'll be the cherry of cherries in the Jets/Pats lore.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Looking at the NFL cap numbers, assuming:

• Jets won't trade to an AFC team
• NFC team has to have enough room (very roughly projected of course)
• NFC team has some sort of a competitive roster (to entice Revis to stay)
• Not a dome team (see above)
• Warmer the better (ditto)

The winner is the Tampa Bay Bucs, with $31.3M cap space in 2013, with a-helluva-mulligan of a chance to release Eric Wright (on a five-year, $37.5 million contract signed in 2012, but not guaranteed due to the 4 game suspension). 
 
They also have an extra #4 (thanks BB!) in '13, so I say severely overpay with a package of #1 + #4 pick (would PSL holders all default in unison if it was anything less?) and sign him to a 5-year mega contract if he comes back as the top CB in 2013. 

 

[Rough Carrigan]

They've also hired Marty Morninwheg as OC

The guy whose team won the coin toss at the start of overtime (in the old rules) and chose to kick the ball to the other team?

 

[Phragle]

and Woody wants to sell Revis island? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/23/report-woody-johnson-wants-to-explore-a-darrelle-revis-trade/

 
Damn. I was hoping they wouldn't be that smart. 

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

Just reported on WFAN: Rex runs red light in PA, 3-car accident, no injuries.

I guess he's back to ground and pound

 
This is what happens when your tattoos start calling audibles at the intersection.

 

[Granite Sox]

Revis has "Dallas Cowboys" written all over him. (The Bucs conclusion is a solid, rational conclusion.)
 
Jurrah "making things uncomfortable" in Big D this winter... Claiborne + picks... Jurrah cuts/releases/re-works other contracts to get it done.
 
Or, in a non-pick trade, would a Maclin/Jackson + Asomugha deal work?  Asomugha had a horrible year, but the Jets could possibly re-work his contract and get 50 cents on the dollar at that position, plus pick up a player at a position of need for less $$ than Revis...

 

[dcmissle]

Signature Jurrah move. Danny Snyder will be beside himself because the Redskins lack the draft ammo. Otherwise this could have been quite the auction in the NFC East alone. Ironically, I think both teams have cap penalties that extend into next season.

 

[Dogman]

I'm not so sure that a trade to a team is the AFC is out of the cards.  I can't see limiting options to NFC is they are very intent on receiving something for Revis.  I also think Revis will hit FA so any team that trades for him will most likely only get one year of his services. So, the risk of Revis going to an AFC East team is hedged a bit.

 

[dcmissle]

I'm not so sure that a trade to a team is the AFC is out of the cards.  I can't see limiting options to NFC is they are very intent on receiving something for Revis. I also think Revis will hit FA so any team that trades for him will most likely only get one year of his services. So, the risk of Revis going to an AFC East team is hedged a bit.

Given that hedge, why would Mia or Buff do this? NE is out of the question. Agree with you on AFC though.

 

[Dogman]

Given that hedge, why would Mia or Buff do this? NE is out of the question. Agree with you on AFC though.

I don't necessarily think it would happen with the Bills or Dolphins, it just doesn't make any sense that any AFC team, outside of the Pats, would be ruled out.  If I'm Woody, I get the best possible deal.  If that deal comes from the Bills or Dolphins, so be it.  Revis is hitting FA so it's only 1 year. 
 
Why they would do it is another question entirely.

 

[RedOctober3829]

If Revis gets traded, any chance that the Pats try to trade for him from that team?  Since the Jets won't trade with the Pats, it would be akin to a 3-way deal in MLB.

 

[gtg807y]

What the heck is an NFL head coach doing driving a Mustang? That alone will get him laughed out of the clubhouse.

 
A red Mustang no less. I think that's the official car of meth dealers in Appalachia.

 

[bankshot1]

Francesa killing new guy already. 
 
New GM: "We're gonna play like Jets"
 
Francesa " Nobody wants the Jets to play like Jets!
 
 
Its funny radio

 

[Dogman]

If Revis gets traded, any chance that the Pats try to trade for him from that team?  Since the Jets won't trade with the Pats, it would be akin to a 3-way deal in MLB.

I would think they would wait to ensure his health and then, if there was interest, offer him a FA contract.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

If Revis gets traded, any chance that the Pats try to trade for him from that team?  Since the Jets won't trade with the Pats, it would be akin to a 3-way deal in MLB.

From what I recall the poison pill type trade stipulations are no longer legal, is that right?

 

[dcmissle]

From what I recall the poison pill type trade stipulations are no longer legal, is that right?

As a practical matter, I'm not sure it matters. The NYJs will tell any team, "I don't want him flipped to NE." Trade partners, most of them anyway, will respect that. If you don't, word gets around, and you've absolutely burned yourself with the Jets down the road.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Revis is without speech, sort of:

Also unsurprisingly: Rex Ryan reportedly doesn't want to trade Revis. And it sure doesn't sound like Revis wants to get traded either. The cornerback noted Thursday on Twitter he was "speechless" at the notion of getting traded.

 
 

I'm speechless by far but more importantly I feel more upset for the jet nation for having to go through this!!!
— Darrelle Revis (@Revis24) January 24, 2013

 

[RedOctober3829]

Several team sources are claiming the Jets want a first- and
second-round pick for Revis, which is astronomical payment considering
that Revis -- while one of the best players in all of football -- is
nonetheless coming off knee surgery and will want a hefty contract.
The Jets won't get a one and two (no way), but teams think the Jets can get a nice gaggle of picks and a player.
Sources say one of the teams highly interested are the New England Patriots,
but not even the Jets, who have made some screwy decisions over the
years, would trade Revis to the division rival Patriots and, in the
process, hand them a Super Bowl.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade

 
Same story is being picked up elsewhere, with one source claiming Woody has Revis being "gone": http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000130789/article/darrelle-revisnew-york-jets-trade-talk-heating-up
 
The TGG thread is a fascinating mixture of hilarious trade proposals, valiant efforts to buck reality, and resigned/profound pessimism. I present a couple of the less-than-clear-eyed ones for your pleasure:
 
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=2711222&postcount=30
 

 I hope and expect that they are looking for a MASSIVE haul to trade him away.
 
If I was GM, it would take a team that is drafting ahead of us this year (1-8) to do the deal with, and it would take their:
 
2013 first round pick
2014 first round pick
2015 first round pick
2013 second round pick
2014 second round pick
2015 second round pick
2013 fifth round pick
2014 fourth round pick
2015 third round pick

 
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=2711299&postcount=92
 

some deals I would do:
 
Team: Detroit
- 2013 first round pick
- Ndamukong Suh/Calvin Johnson (one of the other)
- 2013 fourth round pick
 
Team: Tampa Bay
- 2013 first round pick
- 2013 secnd round pick
- 2013 fourth round pick
- 2014 first round pick
 
Team: Houston
- 2013 first round pick
- J.J. Watt
- 2013 fourth round pick

 

[glennhoffmania]

The proposed deal with Detroit seems very reasonable.  If they can sucker the Jets into taking Johnson instead of Suh, even better.

 

[gmogmo]

some deals I would do:
 
Team: Detroit
- 2013 first round pick
- Ndamukong Suh/Calvin Johnson (one of the other)
- 2013 fourth round pick
 
Team: Tampa Bay
- 2013 first round pick
- 2013 secnd round pick
- 2013 fourth round pick
- 2014 first round pick
 
Team: Houston
- 2013 first round pick
- J.J. Watt
- 2013 fourth round pick
 
 
Are these for real?  Especially the Texans one?  In what world would the Texans even consider that deal for Revins, nevermind Revis coming off an ACL injury?
 
My bad, I see now that you grabbed them from a Jets chat site.....