Yeah. That was super classy and a phenomenal example of taking the high road. There are those on this board that don't trust Jonathan, but that was so well handled.
Glazer: Giants reported to NFL that Steelers deflated footballs
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I love the "they only cheated for five plays" aspect coupled with the not repeat offenders of this policy before. Which is weird because Pats got an enhancement for repeat offender on different policies.
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It really is hard to fathom. The Panthers are caught on the sideline tampering with footballs. Nothing.
The Giants are caught illegally using a walkie-talkie. Virtually nothing.
The Steelers are caught using under-inflated footballs. Nothing to see here.
The Patriots? Million dollar fine, loss of a first round and fourth round pick, plus a four game suspension for Brady.
One of these things is not like the others.
...based on a standard of proof that wouldn't have flown in a Monty Python witch trial.
Can someone explain to me how they used a walkie-talkie with the QB? Did Eli stuff it in his pants after the final "Over"? Or did the Giants somehow hack into the existing communications system and use the existing speaker in Eli's helmet? And if they could do that, what would stop a guy in the booth talking Eli through a play ("watch your backside!")?
It is my understanding that they had a special helmet set up with the frequency of the two-way radio used by McAdoo. I guess the fact that this would have been premeditated escaped the NFL's notice.
Which would also include putting in a second speaker in the helmet since the NFL controls the communication system of the one that they can turn on and off?
From what I heard on NFLN last night, the backup QB has a walkie talkie that allows him to "listen" in on communications, but not allowed to speak. That is the one that they used. This league is top notch.
That seems like a flawless policy. I'm sure that's enforced on a regular basis.
Another part of it that was brought up on the Dan Patrick show this morning is that there was no shut off on the communication. Generally, communication shuts off at 15 seconds (on the play clock). In this situation, McAdoo would be allowed to talk to Eli all the way to the snap. So if the defensive coordinator sees something in the D, or recognizes a blitz, they can let Eli know all the way to the end. (Or what Lose said)
Patrick said that if this was the Pats it would be a huge, national story. Thinks the Giants, at the very least, should've lost a 4th rounder, if not a higher pick.
Patrick said that if this was the Pats it would be a huge, national story. Thinks the Giants, at the very least, should've lost a 4th rounder, if not a higher pick.
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There is no serious case that this shouldn't be penalized more severly than Deflategate, is there?
1. There is no factual dispute about a violation having occurred
2. There is no uncertainty about who was involved
3. There is no dispute it was an intentional act by on-field personnel
4. There is a clear description of the benefit for one team relative to the other of the purposeful action taken
5. There is no ambiguity about the rule and how it applies to the specific situation in question
That it wasn't is preposterous, and kudos to Patrick for noting so. The idea that 'multiple time violator' is the distinction is hard to factually support, but even if one assumes that is part of the calculus I don't see how they could reconcile the penalties various other teams have gotten with the one the Giants got.
That last part is key. What stopped the OC from saying "unblocked safety coming from behind!" Or "Vereen in left flat!" That's actual, real, integrity of the game stuff. To me this is the most important chunk of information there is. Nobody on the national stage has raised this question yet?
More specifically, why shouldn't we assume he did say those things given that they engaged in a scheme to circumvent league communications protocols and the safeguards built into them? Did they conduct a deposition, under oath, of the relevant parties?
This is why I am kind of outraged here---the hypocrisy is so much greater than I think people are seeing/raising...
This incident further amplifies the few in the national media who remain in the pocket of the NFL (or that are truly clueless like King or seek clicks like CHB). Guys like Russo, who was once coined the "fan's fan" by Gammons, long ago sold his soul to the Joe Browne's of the NFL for unfettered access.
The only redeeming aspect of these events is that most of these petty individuals have been exposed and all remains is the rotting carcus of the NFL
The only redeeming aspect of these events is that most of these petty individuals have been exposed and all remains is the rotting carcus of the NFL
The Giants have "only" won 2 Super Bowls in the last 9 seasons, compared to 3 in 6, so, no, because "fairness?"
You know, if the only thing that comes of this is that his fellow owners have to address Bob Kraft going forward as "Ambassador", it will be substantial compensation, even if we never get to see their faces when they say it.
"...I believe I've earned it."
They won't flinch; if anything, they'll think it a little precious. NFL owners wield considerably more power than United States ambassadors.
Fuck even comparing it to Deflategate, how does it not even warrant the penalties the Browns faced for their GM texting the sidelines? Shouldn't McAdoo be suspended four games and the fines be at least as much, if not way more?
The article I read a couple days ago said that the drive ended in Eli throwing a pick...so I guess it didn't help them that much, lol. Though I guess we don't know if they were still using the walkie talkies on the last play of that drive.
I read that the walkie-talkie is actually so that the backup QB(s) can listen in and learn.
If that's the case, the key to the story, imo, is that the NFL has demonstrated yet again just how much of a crap it gives about its vaunted policies considering that they don't require the walkie-talkies to have the broadcast functionality disabled.
At least once a week during a game my wife asks why a certain rule was enforced a certain way, and I'll stop and wonder why the rule exists and how much consideration was actually given to its reason for existing beyond the rule-makers needing to justify their own reason for existing.
My response to her is invariably, "I have no idea; the league is dumb."
My ESPN contact suggested that Eli may have destroyed the walkie-talkie when he was done using it
Maybe that was Tebow's issue!
In context, that probably adds a 2 minute suspension during halftime of a pre-season game TBD.
Bah. I'm happier when I don't think about shit like this.
Except in all the video I've seen McDoodle is clearly talking into the walkie talkie.
I'd love to see some dough-eyed little kid in head to toe NFL gear step up to the mic at Roger's Superbowl PC and ask something like "Hello Mr. Commissioner, what would you say to young NFL fans like me who are concerned about the Integrity of the Game™ when my favorite team the New York Giants can use walkie talkies on the sideline and not get a bad punishment?"
I thought he used an old-style telephone to speak with Charlie Conerly from the grave and get pointers.
The only dough-eyed people in the NFL are owner$. (sorry couldn't resist)
Ugly thought. Kraft is as much of a toady as the rest of them. Ownership clearly has gone to his well-barbered head. His only redeeming feature is the team he owns.
"Young man, rest assured, the NFL front office takes all threats to the integrity of the game seriously, and the NY Giants suffered a severe penalty by losing $150K and dropping up to 12 spots in the 4th round of the NFL draft. Next question?"
"Yes, Virginia, you already have a football team. But your taxpayers will have to pony up if you want to keep it."
Closing the loop on the walkie-talkie penalty, Giants go from 130 overall to 140 overall in the fourth round.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/24/giants-go-from-no-130-to-no-140-in-draft-due-to-walkie-talkie-penalty/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/24/giants-go-from-no-130-to-no-140-in-draft-due-to-walkie-talkie-penalty/
Mara Rules cuz Mara rules.
At this point, the League has lost, badly. So the only thing left is rubbing it in -- slaps on the wrists for what would be treated as felony murder if committed by a Patriot.
But they get to you only if you let them.
At this point, the League has lost, badly. So the only thing left is rubbing it in -- slaps on the wrists for what would be treated as felony murder if committed by a Patriot.
But they get to you only if you let them.
What are you talking about? Our first round picks are the foundation of our team. All neutrals who weren't already haters - really, anyone who didn't put dozens of hours into figuring out exactly WTF happened - all believe our team is a bunch of frauds and cheats. How has the league lost, in any way?
The way I see it, 32 people lost the Super Bowl -- 31 other owners and Goodell. That's how they keep score -- rings. Too many rings in NE and sustained excellence is what led to this in the first place. Kraft said it -- envy. These owners have the mentality and maturity of 5th grade boys. We'll overcome the lost picks as we overcame Brady's suspension.
All well and good after winning 2 out of 3 Super Bowls, but the departure of Cliff Avril in SB49 and a tired Falcons' pass rush in SB51 were major factors in those seasons not ending much like the 2015 one in Denver. Pats could really use an infusion of high-end talent on the offensive line, and the lost picks have hurt there.
Perhaps the Falcons pass rush would have been less tired if they could have gotten the fuck off the field in the last quarter and a half.
Equating that with an injury is apples to oranges.
Not to mention there's no reason to think those draft picks would have been on the offensive line. Twice in his career has BB used first rounders on Oline, which played great this year. The early issues during the SB were scheme related not talent. It was just flat good coaching by Atlanta.
The Patriots had two first round picks stolen from them, but since picking Brady they were never the AFC East team spending first or second round round picks on JP Losman, EJ Manuel, Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Chad Henne, Pat White, John Beck, Kellen Clemens, or Christian Hackenberg, so that eases my annoyance slightly. The Pats did draft Garoppolo, but he was a better pick that that crew.
Tannehill of course was a good pick.
Tannehill of course was a good pick.