This is now: BB and the direction of the Patriots
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JG is only going to be out of the league if he doesn't want to be a backup, the INT are wildly out of character for his career and he has a long track record of being pretty good, he can get premium backup jobs for many more years
He'll be 33 and he's been banged up all season. Highly unlikely any team will see the 2019 Garoppolo again, assuming he doesn't retire (some of the injuries this season sounded scary).
Oh he could definitely retire, he's made a lot of money and may not want to be a backup. Just saying if he wants to be in the NFL next year and is willing to take backup money someone will sign him.
I suspect he's still on the roster at the start of camp. He's cheap and they already have over half the roster to fill for 2024. Hopefully he improves or gets beat out.
Yeah, because a kid they bring in for a perfunctory late season workout is going to be our next starting QB, at the expense of all the other great unsigned options out there in the last week of November. Fucking Bill and his nepotism.
This could have gone in the Mac thread, but it is so damning of the coaching he's gotten it probably belongs here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/gTUoELw77Gk?si=UFEOC6W_sdKEXfIw
(I can't get it to embed, but the Pats game comments begin at 52:27)
https://www.youtube.com/live/gTUoELw77Gk?si=UFEOC6W_sdKEXfIw
(I can't get it to embed, but the Pats game comments begin at 52:27)
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One of their criticisms is that they ran the fake snap to the QB (who reaches in the air) and it's really a direct snap to the RB on a short yardage play. That's so dumb. It literally works every time. Who cares that they ran it in the Brady era? It still works.
And they make it seem like BB is literally the worst coach in the NFL, not to be trusted with...anything.
They were right when they talked about how the old Patriots would never make the key mistake (hyperbole...of course they made big mistakes, but far less often than other teams) but now all they do is make the big mistake. Yep, that's true.
yeah, I think that segment was a mix of real legit criticisms, and dumb stuff because they decided the story they wanted and fit what they saw to that framework.
I also think there is way too much even from good analysts of ignoring the warning signs late year 1 with Mac.
Overall though, I think that the idea that they did not have a good offensive plan the last 2 years is fair. Not sure if Josh leaving surprised Bill, or what, but they struggled with a cohesive identity on that side of the ball. I still think far more of Mac's issues are that he's a physically limited player who is mentally brittle (they noted the Duke BB player mentality, but forgot that part 2 of the Grayson Allen mold is that they melt down when they face adversity, and that is Mac to a T... he is a petulant asshole when winning, and a petulant fraud when things get tough.
I heard that yesterday. Re: the direct snap quip, kind of impressive that Mays found a way to brick what he thought was a breakaway dunk, seeing as this is a target rich environment for anyone who wants to take a shot at Bill. Nobody in the media is gonna stand on the battlements for Bill, given his treatment of the media over the years, how poorly this season is going, and the growing perception that Bill is on his way out. But….DOINK.
The commentary on Bill is gonna get silly and strange over the next month and a half, and it’s already started to an extent.
The commentary on Bill is gonna get silly and strange over the next month and a half, and it’s already started to an extent.
I took it as more that he shouldn't be trusted with making the top pick or nurturing that pick if it winds up being a QB. The increasing sloppiness of the team's play has been going on for the past few years. Whether that's because Bill has slowed down or he's done a poor job putting his staff together as people have departed, or selecting smart players, that's on Belichick.
Props for this, for this is spot on.
Girardi was on 98.5 and has come to the conclusion that they need to blow the whole operation out. The entire coaching staff and the scouting staff. Sucks for someone like Mayo but thinks that they just need a clean break from the BB tree.
Man. I wish I had thought of that succinct statement instead of 40,000 posts shitting on Mac. Perfectly stated.
It's week 13 of the NFL season. There's no unsigned talent that's gonna tip the scales. It's not like other teams are bringing in guys off the street that you'd recognize.
Probably not, but he makes next to nothing and it might depend on if BB is back or not.
He will be at least a camp body due to the contract. However the first two moves I’d make under a new regime are cutting Parker and JuJu regardless of the guaranteed money. It’s a sunk cost already. Both are losers so get them off the team.
https://x.com/dougkyed/status/1729616272315343200?s=46&t=SM8KNBQ5qkrf8EOqnMV5BQ
The Patriots are planning to re-sign QB Will Grier to the practice squad, per source
The Patriots are planning to re-sign QB Will Grier to the practice squad, per source
I can't imagine how bad he must be if he can't get above Mac or Zappe on the depth chart.
The more that time goes on, it's clear their drafting the past 6 or so years has been horrendous, they have basically no young talent on the roster, 5th year guy after 5th year guy is allowed to walk, replaced by another stiff who will be gone in 5 years.
They have a horrible track record of taking players in the wrong spot over and over, ie too soon/they end up passing on a player who turns out to be a very good player.
I will defer to members here who know more than I do, but what sort of a scouting department do they have/how good or bad is it? Does Belichick listen to any of those guys or does he just take whoever the fuck he wants regardless of what the scouting department thinks?
The entire thing needs to be blown up, just burn it to the ground and start over, what a hot mess this organization is from top to bottom.
They have a horrible track record of taking players in the wrong spot over and over, ie too soon/they end up passing on a player who turns out to be a very good player.
I will defer to members here who know more than I do, but what sort of a scouting department do they have/how good or bad is it? Does Belichick listen to any of those guys or does he just take whoever the fuck he wants regardless of what the scouting department thinks?
The entire thing needs to be blown up, just burn it to the ground and start over, what a hot mess this organization is from top to bottom.
I get the frustration, but how do you go out and replace everybody? As if top tier coaching talent at every level is just out there for the taking?
BB goes, hire a proper GM and HC. Maybe the scouting staff is incompetent or maybe it's just Bill making every decision so who knows, figure it out and adjust.
Keep O'Brien and let him overhaul the offensive coaches. Was listening to F&M today where Bedard mentioned how O'Brien only brought over one coach with him. Let him start fresh for a season.
I'd keep Mayo and even Bill's kids, they seemed to have performed well enough to at least compete for their current spots and the defense for the most part hasn't been a problem.
The part I don't get is they had their heads and asses wired together from top to bottom for 19 years, it's gone to shit the past 4 years, they are beyond inept.
What the Christ happened where it went from a well run ship to a shitshow?
They are a league wide laughing stock.
There's just not enough snaps in a game week to get him worked in enough without taking away game prep from #1 and #2.
Of course one could argue that they game prep hasn't been that good anyway.
I mean.... they lost the best QB in football history, an incredible team aged out while trying to compete for a SB so no hard reset possible (and damaged cap the 1st year post Brady), they lost a ton of FO staff, they lost a ton of coaching staff.... they missed on some draft picks.... what always happens to good franchises, it was a fast hard fall in part because most teams would have down periods and up periods over 19 years not 19 straight SB contender seasons.
I'm referring more to the way the team performs on the field, they are a clownshow, mistakes everywhere, dumb penalties, situationally unaware, they were one of the best coached teams in the league, now they are a dumb team, as Patriots fans we used to laugh at teams like this.
Now we are one of them.
Ted Johnson said the other night Belichick looks disengaged; he's checked out.
As has the team.
Bad players, which they have in abundance, make bad decisions. Decision-making and discipline are skills just as important as any other.
They sure are.
And you are correct; this team is loaded with bad players, a horrible roster from top to bottom.
I watched those guys from the athletic and came away less than impressed. It basically sounds like a rehash of media criticisms from people who haven't watched every play of the guy over the last couple years. Jones has declined rapidly begining at the end of his first year, not just in the second. You can see it in the numbers as the year went on. It is amazing to me how much people want to blame Bill belichick and Bill O'Brien and Matt Patricia for ruining this kid and somehow leave Josh McDaniels out of it. I don't remember this level of grievance to Zach Wilson, Tim couch, David Carr, and on and on and on. If anything, it suggests they hid his deficiencies well in his first year at the start, but as team's developed a book on him It became relatively easy to fluster and stop him. Year two was a ham handed effort to address that by pushing the ball down the field and it failed.
It strikes me that he was a much less than certain for success player than most of us, including me thought when he was drafted and through much of his first year. I do not know about you guys but I was like what the heck are they talking about when they talked about his pre-snap adjustments. As near as I can tell he more often than not checks into something that fails.
It strikes me that he was a much less than certain for success player than most of us, including me thought when he was drafted and through much of his first year. I do not know about you guys but I was like what the heck are they talking about when they talked about his pre-snap adjustments. As near as I can tell he more often than not checks into something that fails.
Zo mentioned today that the 1992 team that was 2-14 he was on had more talent than this one and would kick this teams ass.
How would that 1992 team score? Even if the 2023 team couldn't score more than 10 that 1992 team wouldn't be dropping many more, if any.
I'd take Irving Fryer, Marv Cook, a second year Ben Coates over any of these receivers. Pop Douglas is the only one who can do a thing on this current team, maybe Bourne when healthy.
Yeah--but there was no real QB on that squad. Even our current, injured defense wouldn't give up many points. Our early season defense would shut them out.
That team didn't score and didn't stop many teams--27th (of 28) in scoring, 23rd in scoring defense.
I'm more saying that 1992 was so bad they wouldn't really kick anyone's ass. They might win, but they aren't blowing anyone out.
It's hard to imagine with Bill's ego that he would be ok with the current state of the team and how that reflects on him, but on the other hand when you consider his age and wealth, including a nice place on Nantucket maybe it's just as simple as the drive just isn't there anymore.
more importantly, every player now is just way better, faster, stronger. Comparing a team from 30 years ago to now is silly, the quality of players has gone way, way up.
Defensively, they are decent. Especially seeing as though the defense is getting absolutely no help from the offense and the defense has lost its best players to injury.
Yeah, I’m shocked an old player from thirty years ago thinks his bad team would kick this bad team’s ass. Weird context to lean into that trope (usually you hear old players from great teams wax poetic about how things were), but I guess it’s provocative/entertaining.
If you look at the 19 years of dominance, it was actually two dynasties rolled into one; the first one was 2001-2007, 3-1 in the Super Bowl, that team aged out from 2008-2010, they retooled and when on another run from 2011-2018, 3-2 in the Super Bowl, then that team aged out from 2019 until now.
Two dynasties rolled into one, would have been nice if they could have retooled again and gone on another run.
I guess that's what happens when you lose one of the links between the two dynasties; the greatest QB to ever play the game.
The other link is still here, but to what extent.
This is the same org that thought JuJu was an upgrade on Jakobi, of course.
Holy fuck this thread has gone to shit faster than the Patriots themselves.
Laughing stocks! Clown shows! I am really sorry that you guys must have such miserable lives outside of sports. Because nobody should ever be this upset about a single down year in two decades of their lives for the sports team that they love.
Laughing stocks! Clown shows! I am really sorry that you guys must have such miserable lives outside of sports. Because nobody should ever be this upset about a single down year in two decades of their lives for the sports team that they love.
It's not a singular down year, it's at least two at this point, if not three, and the future could not be bleaker on offense.
I mean if a playoff season is a down year to you then you just aren't a reasonable person
It's very unBelichickian not to have had a viable succession plan from Brady. Even after Jimmy G left, they had time to figure it out. Stidham was not a real effort. Hurts would have been. Or Lamar. Mac was but obviously sucks and there's was no overlap with Brady. When Bill looks back at these down years, I bet that's his main regret.
I believe he thought they could coach Mac up to be a good NFL QB. Probably got a good recommendation from Saban. Sometimes players just don’t have what it takes, and is not always obvious on draft day which players do.
The weird part is really that we didn't have a shitshow year. Andy Reid went 4-12 his last year in Philly. Philly went 4-12-1 a couple years back. The Ravens have had a couple 5-11 years in their run. Kyle Shanahan has had two 6-win seasons and a 4-win season. The Rams went 5-12 last year. The Packers had a couple six-win seasons with Rodgers. And these are some of the best (and best-run) teams in the sport! It's really only us and Pittsburgh that haven't had one of those "everything goes wrong" years in the past couple decades. Well, we're having one now.
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