I think this is real woj
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Looking around the league it’s hard to think who it could possibly be. Someone like Derozen or Lavine if the Bulls struggle? That isn’t likely to move the needle for Philly.I guess the Sixers’ strategy is to be all-in on whichever disgruntled star becomes available at the trade deadline. James Harden perhaps?
Siakam, Embiid and Maxey would be interesting— in exchange for every draft pick the Sixers can possibly muster. Other than that: yeah, I don't see the avenue for Phi keeping Embiid.Looking around the league it’s hard to think who it could possibly be. Someone like Derozen or Lavine if the Bulls struggle? That isn’t likely to move the needle for Philly.
Hope Embiid likes OKC. They have endless picks to trade and the superstar to pair with him.
Morey made this bed of course but the Sixers got about the most out of the Clippers as they could with that pick being so potentially valuable. It all depends now on how he flips those contracts at the deadline to add a 3rd piece around Maxey and Embiid along with another veteran like say a Brogdon. He has some stuff to work with having a legit Top-2 in place. I wouldn't sleep on the Sixers just yet.An unprotected first round pick is a great get for Morey, especially if and when the Clippers are in their next transition period after the PG/Kawhi/Russ era. But this pick 5 years into the future does not keep Embiid in town.
If the Clippers implode in 1-2 years, an unprotected pick and swap from them could get you a very good player.An unprotected first round pick is a great get for Morey, especially if and when the Clippers are in their next transition period after the PG/Kawhi/Russ era. But this pick 5 years into the future does not keep Embiid in town.
That seems like a good read on their thinking. Crazy how things have turned out for that franchise.That’s…not a great return. But perhaps they just had to move on from the Harden act…
Well, we got the peak Kyrie Experience, at any rate.The Celtics got peak Kyrie for one bad team's unprotected pick.
I would argue that the Nets got the PKE & we were slightly pre-prime.Well, we got the peak Kyrie Experience, at any rate.
Siakam makes a lot of sense positionally, and the Clippers pick/swap + whatever other pick the Sixers got would be a very good get for Toronto in his last year with them, since they don't seem excited to extend him.The problem the Knicks have is their picks are all kind of 'meh' so someone like Morey is likely to seek picks with more upside. Trading for Randle/Barrett on top of retaining Maxey is a good way to try to win 35-45 games. Basically, exactly what Sixers are likely to NOT want to do. And you have to think Utah/OKC (with a ton better and more assets) will outbid Knicks unless Embiid simply refuses to go there. NOLA also can and might choose to outbid Knicks, and that's before getting to teams (like Toronto) wtih a more player-heavy package. Anything is possible but absent Embiid really forcing his way to NY they just don't have a very appealing asset set to get to his caliber of player - to me they are a lot more competitive for tier or two down from him, though they have a much more interesting young roster than they did a couple years ago.
If I were guessing, the Sixers first plan is to trade for a pending FA who they think they can resign (Siakam fits) to give them an Embiid/FA/Maxey core. Their less-preferred is to ship out Embiid for young upside guys and unencumbered picks to try to do a fast rebuild around Maxey. Their last option is to swap Embiid for mid-tier vets with the hope that you can then add a star somehow with the other picks (so, Maxey/Barrett/Randle as interim team with a bunch of picks you can staple to Randle to try to get KAT or some other star who comes available).
They've had pretty strong communication and alginment with Embiid to date---so some reason to think he may be on board the dump Harden/retool on the fly model. At least for now?
I mean, I get it, but the Clippers are in LA and it was only 11 pm!!
Eh, Zaza takes out Kawhi and we still handle them easily.Clippers have also been retroactively awarded the 2017 NBA title. Sorry, @Sam Ray Not . I don't make the rules
Agreed. If I were a Sixers fan, I’d worry a bit about Marcus Morris stealing shots from Embiid and Maxey (and just being the general dickhead he is) but Batum and RoCo seem like pretty nice fits on their team. I wonder if they figure out a way to cast off Morris.I don't know why some people act as if PJ Tucker was a positive asset in this trade. The Sixers are better just with him off the team and replaced with the pupu platter of guys they got.
Umm through 3 games PJ has a +21.4 on/off. Surely this is a large enough sample size to determine that he is their most indispensable player over guys like Embiid (+3.6) & Maxey (-2.3).I don't know why some people act as if PJ Tucker was a positive asset in this trade. The Sixers are better just with him off the team and replaced with the pupu platter of guys they got.
Wait, what are you talking about? OKC owns the Clips' 2026 pick, the Clips just sent Philly their 2028 1st-rounder and "a swap", presumably the 2027 or 2029 first-rounder (2025 1st is already encumbered with swap rights to OKC). I haven't seen anything about OKC being involved, just speculation that they'd be an Embiid destination.What is OKC getting?? Everyone is acting like the unprotected 2026 Clips pick they're sending is a throw-in....it's a quite valuable asset. Really odd reporting on this deal so far.
See amfox's post above mine. OKC very involved, looks like they did a smart deal to get two shots at unprotected Clippers' upside in 2026 and 2027 instead of just 2026.Wait, what are you talking about? OKC owns the Clips' 2026 pick, the Clips just sent Philly their 2028 1st-rounder and "a swap", presumably the 2027 or 2029 first-rounder (2025 1st is already encumbered with swap rights to OKC). I haven't seen anything about OKC being involved, just speculation that they'd be an Embiid destination. Did you misread Woj's tweet?
Indeed, just edited accordingly. Hat tip, you were ahead of the thread on that one.See amfox's post above mine. OKC very involved, looks like they did a smart deal to get two shots at unprotected Clippers' upside in 2026 and 2027 instead of just 2026.
Someone explain this to me. Presti basically rolled back his wager against the Clippers' fortunes by one year, acquiring 2027 swap rights in exchange for sending the 2026 pick (which he owns outright) along to Philly, which he did while retaining some protections for the 2026 pick, such that there are (probably) some lottery results that would see him retain a top result in the 2026 lottery and ALSO get to roll the dice in 2027 with the Clippers' chips? And for this increased... let's call it draft Expected Value, all he has to send out is the bulk of the probable outcomes for the 2026 pick, but not the bulk of the valuable outcomes?Adrian Wojnarowski
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Further trade details: The Clippers are sending a 2027 first-round pick swap to Oklahoma City, clearing way for OKC to move a protected 2026 first-round pick to the 76ers, sources said. The Clippers are sending a 2024 and a 2029 second-round pick to the Sixers in the deal too, sources said.
I can hardly keep track anymore, but doesn't Philly send its '27 first rounder to Brooklyn? If so, then they couldn't take a '27 swap.Indeed, just edited accordingly. Hat tip, you were ahead of the thread on that one.
Someone explain this to me. Presti basically rolled back his wager against the Clippers' fortunes by one year, acquiring 2027 swap rights in exchange for sending the 2026 pick (which he owns outright) along to Philly, which he did while retaining some protections for the 2026 pick, such that there are (probably) some lottery results that would see him retain a top result in the 2026 lottery and ALSO get to roll the dice in 2027 with the Clippers' chips? And for this increased... let's call it draft Expected Value, all he has to send out is the bulk of the probable outcomes for the 2026 pick, but not the bulk of the valuable outcomes?
Presti-digitation, indeed. I guess from the Clippers perspective their 2026 is already gone and their 2027 will be gone with this trade anyway, so they don't care. But why would Philly prefer to receive a protected 2026 first-rounder instead of unprotected 2027 swap rights, or a 2028 unprotected pick?
Ahhh, good point.I can hardly keep track anymore, but doesn't Philly send its '27 first rounder to Brooklyn? If so, then they couldn't take a '27 swap.
He gets paid millions of dollars to coach a basketball team. And pg, Kawhi and russ are great in the locker room. Oh and he's literally just sitting there until the lakers job opens up while still getting paid those millions. He's beyond fine.Yes! The washed millennial all star team is happening.
Poor Ty Lue.
Yeah, it's an odd trade that I don't really like for either team. It only seems optimal for the Clips as an insurance policy against one of Leonard and George getting injured— as they always do— in the playoffs. But: a team with Harden as its second best player isn't going anywhere anyways. We've already seen that movie.As someone brought up above, balmer has infinite money. He bought the forum from dolan, Just to build a stadium down the street and still be third fiddle next door to the rams and chargers. So theyll never truly bottom out and always be middling in the 6-10 range.
This trade makes them a little better. But ultimately, they will still flame out in the playoffs.
So the thunder are apparently giving the worst of the Clippers/Rockets/thunder pick in 2026. And getting the 2027 pick swap in return. that makes sense, as it is very likely a pick in the 20s they are giving upIndeed, just edited accordingly. Hat tip, you were ahead of the thread on that one.
Someone explain this to me. Presti basically rolled back his wager against the Clippers' fortunes by one year, acquiring 2027 swap rights in exchange for sending the 2026 pick (which he owns outright) along to Philly, which he did while retaining some protections for the 2026 pick, such that there are (probably) some lottery results that would see him retain a top result in the 2026 lottery and ALSO get to roll the dice in 2027 with the Clippers' chips? And for this increased... let's call it draft Expected Value, all he has to send out is the bulk of the probable outcomes for the 2026 pick, but not the bulk of the valuable outcomes?
Presti-digitation, indeed. I guess from the Clippers perspective their 2026 is already gone and their 2027 will be gone with this trade anyway, so they don't care. But why would Philly prefer to receive a protected 2026 first-rounder instead of unprotected 2027 swap rights, or a 2028 unprotected pick?
While there is no predicting what James Harden will do, and the above cannot be ruled out, I would say it is a very poor percentage bet to assume you get a team-focused, motivated playmaking Harden for any length of time...that animal has been spotted for a couple of months total over the last decade.Edit: Kevin Pelton at ESPN raises the idea that the Clippers could wind up getting unselfish, bought-in, playmaking James Harden— the guy we saw in the first half of last season. I have to admit, I'd totally forgotten about that guy, so lasered into my brain is fat, don't-give-a-shit James Harden from the end of the season.
I would argue the clippers need the best version of harden to just compete for a playoff spot this year. I dont think this is about a title.While there is no predicting what James Harden will do, and the above cannot be ruled out, I would say it is a very poor percentage bet to assume you get a team-focused, motivated playmaking Harden for any length of time...that animal has been spotted for a couple of months total over the last decade.
That isn't really criticism of the trade---if you have the Clips roster and limited asset stock, betting a far-off pick on the (say) 15% chance you get ring-focused Harden AND that guy, PG, Kawhi give you a (say) 10% title shot still may be better than any other near-term option for them. It also just isn't very likely to come together.
In other words, your 'best move' may still not be 'likely to succeed' in the sense of a title. But you should still do it
Great trade for OKC. They give up a mediocre pick and get unlimited lottery upside in a year when PG and Kawhi will be 37 and 36.So the thunder are apparently giving the worst of the Clippers/Rockets/thunder pick in 2026. And getting the 2027 pick swap in return. that makes sense, as it is very likely a pick in the 20s they are giving up
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