Story missed all this year and played only 92 games last year. Fact. And there was talk his arm was weak in Colorado. Will he come back at full strength and help the team? I hope so. But I wouldn't bet money on it.Story's injury history is basically a broken wrist and the UCL. He's been very durable otherwise, but don't let the facts get in the way of your reasoning!
Sale and Whitlock, I hear you on. But they don't need them to be healthy all year, they just are hoping they'll be healthy the rest of the way. Which is why many of us are supportive of adding a starting pitcher if the price is right, while also acknowledging that they can probably survive and even make the playoffs if one of Sale and Whitlock can stay healthy the rest of the way.
If he makes a move that improves the team and helps them win and doesn't materially compromise the future, how is that a no-win situation?The players don’t give a damn that Bloom felt the prices are too high. I can assure you the players don’t care about the prospects anywhere near as much as the fans. Bloom is in a no-win situation
Interesting. Come home, Eddie.
which they did last trade deadline and players like Xander complained about the players that were moved out.....Players aren’t stupid and aren’t robots. They know when they need help. Making a move or two at the deadline shows the players that the FO considers the team worthy to invest in and that they want to win. If they don’t do anything, what does that say? They don’t give a shit about the farm system and the prices on the market. They want to win now.
If they aren't stupid, then they should understand that a GM has a larger job than just acquiring a couple guys they've heard of to make them feel warm & fuzzy regardless of the price?Players aren’t stupid and aren’t robots. They know when they need help. Making a move or two at the deadline shows the players that the FO considers the team worthy to invest in and that they want to win. If they don’t do anything, what does that say? They don’t give a shit about the farm system and the prices on the market. They want to win now.
I'd give them Chase Meidroth for him.Interesting. Come home, Eddie.
Where is that deal?If he makes a move that improves the team and helps them win and doesn't materially compromise the future, how is that a no-win situation?
Huh ... first thing I thought was try to get the Dodgers to bite on PaxtonInteresting. Come home, Eddie.
He did put them on his no trade list. He just might not like them.Why?
Who cares how much money you would bet?Story missed all this year and played only 92 games last year. Fact. And there was talk his arm was weak in Colorado. Will he come back at full strength and help the team? I hope so. But I wouldn't bet money on it.
Last year he was a .238 hitter. I hope his health had something to do with that.
Same here. Paxton out, Eddie in.Huh ... first thing I thought was try to get the Dodgers to bite on Paxton
Still mad about that Puig HR.He did put them on his no trade list. He just might not like them.
What makes you so sure the Red Sox aren't on his list of 10?Interesting. Come home, Eddie.
Now there’s an idea. Even if Eddie opts in, the rest of his contract isn’t exactly unreasonable in this market.Same here. Paxton out, Eddie in.
What’s the larger job? To win the award for best farm system?If they aren't stupid, then they should understand that a GM has a larger job than just acquiring a couple guys they've heard of to make them feel warm & fuzzy regardless of the price?
I have considered the optimistic case. And I hope Story comes back strong and injury free. We will see.Who cares how much money you would bet?
Again, he broke his wrist after he got struck by a pitch. That's not injury-proneness, that's bad luck.
As for his batting average, he was still a league-average bat at a position where that's excellent.
Im hopeful the UCL repairs will fix some of his issues over the last couple years as a hitter. I would guess it was affecting his bat speed, but there's no way to be sure.
Look, I get the pessimistic case, but what's stopping you from even considering the optimistic case? And the facts, for God's sake?
You'd certainly think that, yes...Probably ends the MI stuff with St. Louis.
To win championships. Their betting odds are 55-1 (with juice & a large market).What’s the larger job? To win the award for best farm system?
Nothing at all, they very well could be.What makes you so sure the Red Sox aren't on his list of 10?
Where is a deal that helps them win both now and in the future? It may not exist. But it's very likely the kind of deal that Bloom is holding out for. If he can't find it, he may well not make a deal. And in that case, it will have been his judgment that not making a deal was the best deal available.Where is that deal?
Adding new players by definition also means players from the current roster have to go. In addition to the 4 that are already going to have to go as injured guys come backThe players don’t give a damn that Bloom felt the prices are too high. I can assure you the players don’t care about the prospects anywhere near as much as the fans. Bloom is in a no-win situation
The current players could start by catching the ball better and not running the bases like idiots.Players aren’t stupid and aren’t robots. They know when they need help. Making a move or two at the deadline shows the players that the FO considers the team worthy to invest in and that they want to win. If they don’t do anything, what does that say? They don’t give a shit about the farm system and the prices on the market. They want to win now.
Yeah, I just want them to play.Can’t they just play baseball?
Except Duran. He can run the bases like an idiot all he wants.The current players could start by catching the ball better and not running the bases like idiots.
I've heard several former player/current color guys talking about how gut wrenching the trade deadline is for players thinking that they might get traded to who-knows-where. Certain players will actually be relieved and looser once they're still with the Sox after the deadline passes. And some of their friends might be too.Adding new players by definition also means players from the current roster have to go. In addition to the 4 that are already going to have to go as injured guys come back
Message board posters?No offense, but I can't think of a more famously mercurial group than actors.
Writers, maybe?
I'm glad you brought this up. It's silly to think that do-something is the only player narrative in play. On the flip side why wouldn't they see it as a vote of confidence in the ability of the current team? And, as you say, no longer worrying about their lives being uprooted or their friends being moved.I've heard several former player/current color guys talking about how gut wrenching the trade deadline is for players thinking that they might get traded to who-knows-where. Certain players will actually be relieved and looser once they're still with the Sox after the deadline passes. And some of their friends might be too.
A healthy Ji-Man Choi is a useful hitter against RHP. After Cruz and Carpenter flameouts, he makes sense for them as a DH platoon with Sanchez if that's what they wanna do.Where some of us are exorting Chaim to "just do *something*!", I tend to take the opposite approach. I look at San Diego, 52-55, 5 GB in the wildcard race, who traded for 1B Choi (hitting .166 in less than 40 games), and SP Hill, ERA 4.76. These guys are going to put them over the top!? I hope the 3 players they traded don't amount to anything because that is a lost-cause trade.
So if they aren’t WS favorites there’s no reason to invest in a team to try to make a run? Strongly disagree with this. Nobody is saying trade the whole farm at the deadline. But with who’s coming back and an infusion at the top of the rotation with a kid like Cease, if they get in they can make a run. If not they have Cease for 2 more years.To win championships. Their betting odds are 55-1 (with juice & a large market).
For what it's worth, and I realize that might not be much for some of you, Verducci on mlbn Trade Deadline Special just now said he likes where the Red Sox are right now and they don't need to do a thing.Where some of us are exorting Chaim to "just do *something*!", I tend to take the opposite approach.
Nah, man. They can just add to the team without limitations. And they can improve the defense while still putting their best lineup on the field. If they don't, it's Chaim's fault for not getting permission to have a 32 man roster and 4 designated hitters.Adding new players by definition also means players from the current roster have to go. In addition to the 4 that are already going to have to go as injured guys come back
It depends. If you have a 2% chance of a World Series & you can improve that chance to 3%... but it would significantly lower your chances of winning it in future years, that would be a poor investment.So if they aren’t WS favorites there’s no reason to invest in a team to try to make a run? Strongly disagree with this. Nobody is saying trade the whole farm at the deadline. But with who’s coming back and an infusion at the top of the rotation with a kid like Cease, if they get in they can make a run. If not they have Cease for 2 more years.
This is the type of move Bloom should be doing.
I feel very confident he is in on Cease. Doesn’t mean it will happen of course. But you are right, he’s their type of target.So if they aren’t WS favorites there’s no reason to invest in a team to try to make a run? Strongly disagree with this. Nobody is saying trade the whole farm at the deadline. But with who’s coming back and an infusion at the top of the rotation with a kid like Cease, if they get in they can make a run. If not they have Cease for 2 more years.
This is the type of move Bloom should be doing.
With you on Cease. I definitely do a deal for him, if it starts with Rafeala +. Yeah, he’s running into barrels this season, walk rate is up, but that is something that can be ironed out. I’d be all in on him.So if they aren’t WS favorites there’s no reason to invest in a team to try to make a run? Strongly disagree with this. Nobody is saying trade the whole farm at the deadline. But with who’s coming back and an infusion at the top of the rotation with a kid like Cease, if they get in they can make a run. If not they have Cease for 2 more years.
This is the type of move Bloom should be doing.
I would be ok with parting with a couple of their top 100 guys like Bleis or Yorke for Cease. Bloom has shown a good eye for talent in the draft so I would be confident enough for him to replenish the system. With Casas seemingly the guy at first, Blaze Jordan is a guy that’s expendable.It depends. If you have a 2% chance of a World Series & you can improve that chance to 3%... but it would significantly lower your chances of winning it in future years, that would be a poor investment.
I would be happy to trade for Cease. I think the price the White Sox are asking for is more than what I would want to pay, though. I think your threshold is higher, but it might still not be enough for the White Sox.
If the price is that high, I'd much rather just throw cash at the starting pitching situation in the off season.
That is always the question. But there are key pieces there that they see as part of the 2024 and beyond window. Deals should be made in the offseason to shore up the team, but giving them up for rentals is not what they should do, IMO.What’s the larger job? To win the award for best farm system?
The Padres have needed depth all year and that's exactly what they got. A DH to hit against RHP (who has been pretty good the past month or so and has better numbers than Carpenter on the year) and a depth SP in case Wacha takes longer than expected to get back instead of throwing out a guy like Ryan Weathers who has been really bad. They didn't give up a whole lot for those guys, either. It doesn't make sense to trade their top prospects given where they are, but the best prospect they gave up was ranked like 16th in a weak, top-heavy farm system. It's highly unlikely this comes back to bite them.Where some of us are exorting Chaim to "just do *something*!", I tend to take the opposite approach. I look at San Diego, 52-55, 5 GB in the wildcard race, who traded for 1B Choi (hitting .166 in less than 40 games), and SP Hill, ERA 4.76. These guys are going to put them over the top!? I hope the 3 players they traded don't amount to anything because that is a lost-cause trade.
I would probably do Yorke/Blaze/Bastardo or something.I would be ok with parting with a couple of their top 100 guys like Bleis or Yorke for Cease. Bloom has shown a good eye for talent in the draft so I would be confident enough for him to replenish the system. With Casas seemingly the guy at first, Blaze Jordan is a guy that’s expendable.
Be prepared to be disappointedThe only wrong answer is doing nothing imo.
100%.Sell for the future or buy for now. The only wrong answer is doing nothing imo.
Sorry, but I don't get this. E-Rod makes $14MM this year. He can afford to have his family hang out in LA VERY comfortably for the next three months with a solid chance to go to the World Series. He can opt-out after this season and literally go wherever he wants to live and play. Besides, when did Detroit become the "East Coast"?