Yes - that is what this is. if they had to sign him or lose him, I think he would have gotten at least a 2-way.I trust Brad and if they think Begarin can improve overseas they can put off starting the clock for one more year.
Yes - that is what this is. if they had to sign him or lose him, I think he would have gotten at least a 2-way.I trust Brad and if they think Begarin can improve overseas they can put off starting the clock for one more year.
I think seeing 2 fringe prospects as redundant would be a mistake - since there are no guarantees about either one, keeping both gives a better chance to hit on one.This, from Jay King's latest in The Athletic, is a little surprising. Maybe the C's see Hauser and Ryan as redundant.
Matt Ryan, a Celtics summer-league standout who finished last season as the team’s other two-way contract player, now sounds less likely to return to Boston. He has fully recovered from a summer ankle injury, according to a league source.
https://theathletic.com/3472316/2022/08/03/boston-celtics-roster-training-camp/
I doubt this is a case of the Celtics thinking Ryan/Hauser are redundant.This, from Jay King's latest in The Athletic, is a little surprising. Maybe the C's see Hauser and Ryan as redundant.
Matt Ryan, a Celtics summer-league standout who finished last season as the team’s other two-way contract player, now sounds less likely to return to Boston. He has fully recovered from a summer ankle injury, according to a league source.
https://theathletic.com/3472316/2022/08/03/boston-celtics-roster-training-camp/
mostly camp deals, they won't all make the final roster.They seem to like redundancy given the Vonleh/Cabocolo/Kabengele/Kornet backup center grouping.
He's definitely capable of that, I was at this game and he was AWESOME. One of the best ones I've been to in a few years.It feels like the worst consequence of letting a player like Ryan go is that sometime during the dog days of the NBA season (January through March) when load management is in full effect, Ryan goes like 10-14 from deep for the Heat/Thunder/Jazz etc and Cs fans get bitter online.
Its hard to see the Cs regretting letting him go during the meaningful part of the season but per the great philosopher Kevin Garnett anything is possible.
Yea, a real shame they couldn't sign starting caliber centers to be the 13-15 players on their teamThey seem to like redundancy given the Vonleh/Cabocolo/Kabengele/Kornet backup center grouping.
this seems to be basically a rounding error in terms of the team's total payroll and should be treated as such. Keeping Davidson as a 2-way gives him a chance to develop and seems more important than worrying about the luxury tax implications of having one Matt Ryan on the roster.It wouldn't shock me if Brad started the season with 14 on the roster w/ Davidson* being 1 of the 14.
Brad could replace JD's two-way slot + add one of Vonleh or Bruno to the roster
Then wait to sign #15 during the buyout window (or potentially use a TPE to get what they want before that)
I'm not advocating this, but it is a way to save a few $$$ if they have reached Wyc's threshold. Brad may want to allocate the last few bullets for a potentially better back-up 5 in Jan/Feb
*In addition to the other players fighting for a roster spot, Davison’s situation is one to monitor. Though Davison is currently signed to a two-way contract, the Celtics could save a bit of money by converting him to a standard NBA deal. For luxury-tax purposes, a minimum salary for him would count as roughly half the salary of another player because of Davison’s status as a drafted rookie. Those savings could matter given the tax bill the Celtics are projected to incur, but ownership has insisted it will spend without limitations this season.
Not complaining, just pointing out that they seem to like multiple guys with similar skill sets competing for roster spots. Good strategy if you ask me.Yea, a real shame they couldn't sign starting caliber centers to be the 13-15 players on their team
I think the multiplier is 3.5X so every $$$ counts. Ownership claims there are no limitations but being practical isn't the worst qualitythis seems to be basically a rounding error in terms of the team's total payroll and should be treated as such. Keeping Davidson as a 2-way gives him a chance to develop and seems more important than worrying about the luxury tax implications of having one Matt Ryan on the roster.
Having Davidson on a 2-way allows him to develop and then go somewhere he can play next season if he makes a leap. The value of drafting 2nd rounders with upside is to lock them up on a multi-year deal with the 3rd yr at least being a team option so if they do develop we get rewarded. Having JD on a 2-way doesn’t make much sense at all to me.this seems to be basically a rounding error in terms of the team's total payroll and should be treated as such. Keeping Davidson as a 2-way gives him a chance to develop and seems more important than worrying about the luxury tax implications of having one Matt Ryan on the roster.
Yep, Brad will use 2nd rounders + AAAA seasoned G-Leaguers on 2yr deals (2nd yr non-gtd) to fill out #13-17 (#16/17 Two-ways are basically cheap NBA slots). Don't expect veteran, ring-chasing, 30yr olds to populate the end of the rosterHaving Davidson on a 2-way allows him to develop and then go somewhere he can play next season if he makes a leap. The value of drafting 2nd rounders with upside is to lock them up on a multi-year deal with the 3rd yr at least being a team option so if they do develop we get rewarded. Having JD on a 2-way doesn’t make much sense at all to me.
15 is gonna be empty is my guess. That's the "we aren't playing 17 guys, and we might want to add a buyout, so let's save the owners a bunch of money" slot.Yep, Brad will use 2nd rounders + AAAA seasoned G-Leaguers on 2yr deals (2nd yr non-gtd) to fill out #13-17 (#16/17 Two-ways are basically cheap NBA slots). Don't expect veteran, ring-chasing, 30yr olds to populate the end of the roster
One of the better outcomes would be some development from Begarin/Davidson so they could be used for future trade bait
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/8/5/23286366/dealing-future-firsts-extends-the-title-window-brad-stevens-derrick-white-malcolm-brogdon
Exactly. The rookie minimum is just over 1M. The minimum for a guy with 1 year of experience is 1.6M, 2 years is 1.8M. Given the tax multiples the Celtics' face (3.25-3.5), the value of JD versus a non-rookie occupying a roster spot is between 2M and 2.6M. Brad would need to have a really convincing case that the vet he wants in that 14th roster spot versus JD is going to materially impact the Celtics title chances. Same concept with leaving the 15th roster spot vacant.I think the multiplier is 3.5X so every $$$ counts. Ownerships claims there are no limitations but being practical isn't the worst quality
JD's Davidson's development would not be impacted one iota if he's on a two-way or on the 15-man roster. He will shuttle back and forth between Boston/Maine no matter where he resides.
Over cap teams can make decent use out of 2nd round picks with basically 17 spots these days.
Yeah, seems like a clear "lock him up for very low 4-year money rather than do RFA in a year" type guy.Didn’t JDD sign his two way deal before he played well in Vegas? Assuming he looks like an NBA player, he should earn a 2nd round guaranteed deal that locks him up for low money. I actually see him getting minutes this season, probably garbage time mop up duty on nights when other guards are out due to injury and he dresses.
This struck me as the least impressive 37 point performance I have seen in awhile based on those highlights. He just didn’t look like a classic, smooth “shooter” to me by the eye-test (which may be shit, I know). A lucky bank shot, a lucky fallaway 3 at the buzzer, 2-3 rattled in 3-pointers, and a couple of leaning-in 3-pointers that feel like they would be blocked in an NBA game. There were definitely 3-4 spot-up knockdown 3’s that looked crisp, and a bunch of layups, but this looked like a gym rat that had a hot night and not a legit NBA deep threat to me.He's definitely capable of that, I was at this game and he was AWESOME. One of the best ones I've been to in a few years.
The initial two-way gives the team more options; he can always be converted to a standard contract at the team's discretion. All the team needs is an open roster spot, which should not be a problem for the Celtics. Also, not to be a pedant, but can we just be clear that the name is Davison?Having Davidson on a 2-way allows him to develop and then go somewhere he can play next season if he makes a leap. The value of drafting 2nd rounders with upside is to lock them up on a multi-year deal with the 3rd yr at least being a team option so if they do develop we get rewarded. Having JD on a 2-way doesn’t make much sense at all to me.
https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/derrick-white-cameron-johnson-trade-rumors/Celtics receive: Cameron Johnson, Jae Crowder
Suns receive: Derrick White, draft pick
Thanks for posting. I have always liked Valentine more than his game really deserves; I doubt he makes the cut, but interesting as a camp body at least.I don't think I've seen the Denzel Valentine camp deal in here yet...
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There was some SL growth
yea I'm guilty of the same with Valentine. He always appears to be a long-limbed, plus-defender.Thanks for posting. I have always liked Valentine more than his game really deserves; I doubt he makes the cut, but interesting as a camp body at least.
Valentine was with Maine last year and hit 36% on 32-89 (7.4 3PA/game), which by coincidence is the same as his NBA career percentage.Thanks for posting. I have always liked Valentine more than his game really deserves; I doubt he makes the cut, but interesting as a camp body at least.
He's always looked like he should be a defender than he shows in games. I am generally a fan of taking flyers on first round picks who started their careers in bad organizations like the Boylen-era Bulls. But the fact that a wing starved team like the Cavs did not retain him, is a damper on any optimism for him as a second draft candidate.Valentine was with Maine last year and hit 36% on 32-89 (7.4 3PA/game), which by coincidence is the same as his NBA career percentage.
However, in the NBA last year he went 19-47 on 3Ps (.404) with CLE and UT. Obviously, a lot of whether he will be able to earn a roster spot will depend on whether he's improved his 3P shooting.
If anyone's interested, I ran across this interview with him back in March when he was at Maine: https://maine.gleague.nba.com/news/full-timeout-033022/. Nothing terribly exciting but he did mention some Portland restaurants he has been to.
Hopefully the offense is simple enough for a Layman to understand
Also maybe playboy channel"Layman Valentine" sounds like a nice Hallmark channel movie.
Both have a unusually handsome pizza boy.Also maybe playboy channel
You can imagine where it goes from here.Both have a unusually handsome pizza boy.
The fork sticking out of his back is so big that he could set screens with it.You can imagine where it goes from here.
He fixes the cable?
Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.
On a different topic, MassLive's beat reporter Brian Robb is saying the 'Melo rumors aren't likely to come to fruition: "The Carmelo Anthony buzz was a hot topic this week after the rumors started swirling about the Celtics’ interest in him last week. However, multiple league sources tell MassLive that the Celtics are not expected to have interest in bringing in the veteran for a signing ahead of training camp. That’s not to say the team is done shaping the roster ahead of the preseason but Anthony isn’t a priority at this point at names that could be brought in. Boston likes a lot of their internal replacement options from what I’ve heard and want to give those names the first crack at minutes."
I know not everyone is sold on 'Melo as a bench guy in Boston, but he sure seems to be the best replacement available for Gallinari.
I mean the problem with Melo as a replacement for Gallo is he's worse, on both ends. Adding a scorer/shooter who is below average on D is one thing, adding a less good scorer/shooter who is worse on D is a different equation. Gallo was a guy that they decided "yeah his offense offsets his D" but Melo's offense is worse, his rebounding is worse, his defense is worse, so the balance changes from "potentially positive" to "likely negative"On a different topic, MassLive's beat reporter Brian Robb is saying the 'Melo rumors aren't likely to come to fruition: "The Carmelo Anthony buzz was a hot topic this week after the rumors started swirling about the Celtics’ interest in him last week. However, multiple league sources tell MassLive that the Celtics are not expected to have interest in bringing in the veteran for a signing ahead of training camp. That’s not to say the team is done shaping the roster ahead of the preseason but Anthony isn’t a priority at this point at names that could be brought in. Boston likes a lot of their internal replacement options from what I’ve heard and want to give those names the first crack at minutes."
I know not everyone is sold on 'Melo as a bench guy in Boston, but he sure seems to be the best replacement available for Gallinari.
Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but isn’t worse about what we could expect?I mean the problem with Melo as a replacement for Gallo is he's worse, on both ends. Adding a scorer/shooter who is below average on D is one thing, adding a less good scorer/shooter who is worse on D is a different equation. Gallo was a guy that they decided "yeah his offense offsets his D" but Melo's offense is worse, his rebounding is worse, his defense is worse, so the balance changes from "potentially positive" to "likely negative"
There are breaking points though, yes you would expect a replacement for Gallo to be worse, but there is a point where worse is not better than what you have, and the defensive skillset is so poor that it breaks the system and costs you more than the player could reasonably make up on offense. My read is that they see Melo (who has been bad in recent years but getting points on bad teams), as a guy who just doesn't bring positive value to the bench units, so they'll sniff around some defensive swings/bigs, give Hauser a longer look, and maybe look for the scoring in the trade/buyout markets later.Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but isn’t worse about what we could expect?
They are unenviably trying to find a Gallo replacement (so already not the first choice) but now for much less $ and after almost all free agents have found a home.
Perhaps it makes sense for roster construction to sign someone who is a little worse at both ends, rather than someone who is better at one of the other.
long lost relative to Billy Ray Valentine"Layman Valentine" sounds like a nice Hallmark channel movie.
Just keep Bobby away from the C's.
Hey Layman's similarities scores include Dame and Kemba (on defense ). More seriously, his defensive similarity scores include Dame, Kemba, Ish Smith, Hayward, and Mikal Bridges - that seems like a pretty wide range of results..This was a bit puzzling to me---I get the desire for wing depth, but adding someone who can't shoot really doesn't seem to address any gap I can see.
Camp body so what I guess?
Number three similar on craftednba.com? Romeo Langord. Number 7? Aaron Nesmith.
https://craftednba.com/players/jake-layman