I get it but I'm of the general belief that a GM's feelings don't matter. Players' feelings matter though and I think the feelings of a homegrown superstar who's the most popular player on the Yankees since Jeter (and who they're still hoping to extend) do matter.I think he is generally irritated that he has to take so much flak about situations that people don't really grasp very well, meaning why NY couldn't go over $270M or sign a QO FA this winter (because it would have likely cost them #1 IFA Brandon Mayea next January, but teams aren't allowed to talk about teenagers not yet officially under contract, understandably).
Among Sox fans and reporters looking for clickbait to publish, sure.If nothing else the prospect of Judge being FA in '23 and walking away for nothing should spark some discussion whether Cashman should have/will entertain offers for Judge.
That’s fine. Let the Yankees give the money to someone younger.The Dodgers will move Mookie to CF (he played like 30 games there last year) and Judge will be their RF. He's from California, too.
You forgot "already signed and much cheaper".Stanton is just like Judge, just worse, older, less liked by fans and with worse intangibles.
Stanton also has better numbers, and no failed attempts to troll his rivals, in the playoffs.Stanton is just like Judge, just worse, older, less liked by fans and with worse intangibles.
Yeah, god speed, Aaron, because no way I'm turning that down as a guy who's about to turn 30 and who has missed a considerable amount of time in his career. That was an incredibly fair offer so wondering if there's more to it.I'm all for betting on yourself, but it takes brass balls to turn down $200M+ guaranteed. Life/health is fragile, anything can happen. (This applies to all athletes who do this, of course, not only Judge.)
I think the disconnect is that he might've gotten something like that if he became a free agent in his 20s, when it seems most superstars hit free agency.
Same. Love the guy, but learn your lessons from Jeter. Stay and be a legend for the rest of your life, get tons of media attention and marketing opportunities. Or go hope you can go to Minnesota for an extra $20mIf Judge holds to that, I'll miss him.
There is no way NY goes past 8 years, so while 260 is not actually halfway between 213 and 360 (!!!!), I do think that the absolute highest NY would go is something like 8/256, so yes.So the middle ground is what 8 years 33 mil or about 8/260?
It's New York and he hasn't won shit yet and he wants to be paid until he's 40. We'll be fine if he goes somewhere else, as much as it sucks. The truth is that the vax shit and the contract stuff kind of turned a lot of people against him in a very short period of time. Everyone is still a Judge fan but something about the way he's using that confidence which he normally uses against our opponents but instead wielding it against the organization is off putting. Every player should fight for the biggest contract they think they deserve and who are we to judge whether or not he should have accepted but clearly something went wrong here.This whole thing is a kind of a shame. I really want to love Judge, and I basically have until now, but between the vax shit and turning down what seems like a very fair offer, it's getting tougher. It really feels like he wants to be somewhere else, and hey, that's his right, but it also means I'm not sure I like the guy as much as I used to. Oh well. Hope he plays well this year and they win it all, and then he can move on.
And actually more, there is a bunch of deferred money in the Mookie deal, making the actual current yearly value $25.5M.Objectively Judge is asking for Mookie money as a FA, despite not being as good and being older.
The younger players deserve to be paid more, the huge deals often end up as overpays for actual performance. It's not so much that 'the players deserve to be paid' as 'performance and salary need to be more closely linked', and this CBA did help some with that, but still more often than not, it's the smart move to let the superstar leave and maintain financial flexibility as well as roster flexibility.It's amazing how quickly we move from "The players deserve to be paid" during a lockout to "How could he turn down a fair offer like that?" We all still think like baseball ops people.
I never really look at the actual payments, only the AAV/ CBT numbers; players use whatever number is larger to feed their egos and teams backload and defer money to get extra marginal value out, but those numbers aren’t being used (by teams) to justify not spending.And actually more, there is a bunch of deferred money in the Mookie deal, making the actual current yearly value $25.5M.
Almost no contending team is ever positioned well to lose a superstar, but NY is positioned OK to lose Judge if that's what ends up happening. If they lose Judge and Gallo both, that will be hard to replace.
Agreed on the first point, but since the system didn’t change the basic structure of how the player pool extracts their money from ownership overall, it’s reasonable to expect superstars now to stilllook for that money at the end of their FA deals.Also...
The younger players deserve to be paid more, the huge deals often end up as overpays for actual performance. It's not so much that 'the players deserve to be paid' as 'performance and salary need to be more closely linked', and this CBA did help some with that, but still more often than not, it's the smart move to let the superstar leave and maintain financial flexibility as well as roster flexibility.
It’s New York. You can’t hide anything in the Big Apple.I think it was in poor form for Cashman to announce the offer Judge turned down. Not the biggest deal in the world but poor form. Was his excuse really something along the lines of "I'd be getting questions from reporters if I didn't so I just did"?
I think it was kind of brilliant, he needed the fanbase to see that NY made a very fair offer.I think it was in poor form for Cashman to announce the offer Judge turned down. Not the biggest deal in the world but poor form. Was his excuse really something along the lines of "I'd be getting questions from reporters if I didn't so I just did"?
Yeah, Judge’s request was out there the next day, NY’s offer would have been also. It’s just business, on both sides.It’s New York. You can’t hide anything in the Big Apple.
Cashman has been around so long, he can do things however he wants. What GM has lasted 25 years in the same job? Must be a few but I am too old to remember anything.I know the offer would make its way into the public, but by stating it himself I feel like Cashman put it directly on Judge in a way that’s not typically done. It seems almost confrontational and I don’t see how that’s helpful in eventually getting a deal done.
I don’t think it’s the biggest deal in the world. I just find it unnecessary. It may help in the court of public opinion but I don’t want my GM to care about stuff like that.
Answering myself now. Ed Barrow served 23 years as Yankee GM after fleeing Boston.Cashman has been around so long, he can do things however he wants. What GM has lasted 25 years in the same job? Must be a few but I am too old to remember anything.
I understand your point fully, but I think the point is they are not going to get a deal done, now (obviously) or after the season either. Judge is asking for at least 9/324, not coming down off that during three weeks of negotiations, and so Cashman has essentially been forced to move on.I know the offer would make its way into the public, but by stating it himself I feel like Cashman put it directly on Judge in a way that’s not typically done. It seems almost confrontational and I don’t see how that’s helpful in eventually getting a deal done.
I don’t think it’s the biggest deal in the world. I just find it unnecessary. It may help in the court of public opinion but I don’t want my GM to care about stuff like that.
And if he leaves in FA, they will almost certainly come out much farther ahead.Caveats apply, but if Judge finishes his career as a Yankee, the organization will most likely still have come out ahead.
Come out ahead how? The previous seasons are gone, they don't matter in this context. Albert Pujols meant at least as much to St. Louis as Judge does to the Yankees, but he also got to FA at an older age (leaving aside the rumors that he is actually even older) and STL smartly let another team pay him 10/240 for a grand total of 12 WAR.at this point the Yankees could just accede to his demands and come out ahead.
Many fans are never convinced of this. I bet Kay and Franscesca were taking calls about how the Yankees should have beat Seattle's offer to Cano right up until he started failing PED tests.I think it was kind of brilliant, he needed the fanbase to see that NY made a very fair offer.
I think they were ignoring that and thanking him for the awesome years he spent in STL previously.It was strange to see Cardinals fans welcome back Pujols. I know they love everything about their Redbirds, and they were also honoring Molina and Wainwright on Opening Day, but why reward a guy for taking more money to go elsewhere?
True. But some of those Midwestern fans are too nice. They are different than fans in the northeast.I think they were ignoring that and thanking him for the awesome years he spent in STL previously.
They were thanking him for signing that albatross deal with a team other than own. What’s better than having a superstar in his prime and then letting someone else massively overpay for his decline? It’s nothing but good memories for STL fans.I think they were ignoring that and thanking him for the awesome years he spent in STL previously.