Hyers was great in 2018, the Red Sox won that playoffs with mostly offense. I really don't think he's the issue.
True, they did. But you do recognize the swings and misses out of the zone, yes? The lack of situational hitting? With a more disciplined approach, maybe they could have been #1. They have a ton of talent. Is the team approach making the most of that talent?The Red Sox had the third highest team OPS in MLB in 2021.
1. Blue Jays .796
2. Astros .784
3. Red Sox .777
The hitting coach isn’t a problem.
I'm guessing that much of that OPS would be attributed to the first 3/12 months of the season and September. I might be wrong but it seems there was pretty much a solid 6-7 week stretch where much of the offense was MIA. I'm not ready to pin that on Heyers, but there was a lot of bad ball chasing going on during that period and at any given time during that stretch there were no more than 4-5 guys in the lineup who seem semi-productive at the plate. Of course that wasn't the only issue as the pitching dropped off bigly at that time and the team seemed to be playing it's worst fundamental baseball. Oh and that was the beginning of the Covid crisis, which oddly enough after a week or so the team started playing better baseball.The Red Sox had the third highest team OPS in MLB in 2021.
1. Blue Jays .796
2. Astros .784
3. Red Sox .777
The hitting coach isn’t a problem.
The Astros once by cheating, the Dodgers once thanks to a clownshoe 60 game season and the Braves once back in 1995.The Astros, Dodgers, and Braves have shown us how to regularly win championships?
I don't understand the futility comment at all.Other than winning 4 rings and making it to 7 ALCS this century you mean? As you said the Sox of the 21st century have not developed much young cost controlled pitching. They have however developed a shit ton of young cost controlled position players, which are just as valuable.
Saw that coming....Tom Goodwin officially canned. Baseball decision alone, according to Bloom.
And, Chaim, I think they want to stay here too. So keep them together, keep them in the infield, and give them long term contracts of 10 and 6 years. There is some risk to this, of course, but there is a reasonable expectation that we can keep our All Stars and at a home town discount too.Alex Speier @alexspeier
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Bloom on extending Devers and/or renegotiating w/Bogaerts: "Both are cornerstone players for us. They are guys you want here as long as you can have them here. ... They're going to be a huge part of our success going forward. ... We want them here and we want to win w/them."
Yeah, his role beyond standing at first with a stop watch was coaching OF defense and baserunning...two aspects in which the team struggled all year. Seems like an easy call, regardless of off-field stuff.Saw that coming....
That's a fascinating move by Bloom. Essentially he attached a poison pill to Cordero so he'd get through waivers. And at the same time, probably bought the team some goodwill from a player who might otherwise be upset to be demoted with no control. Now he's got a cushy (relative to minor league pay) salary to salve his pride if he has to spend another year in Worcester.
The point was that the Sox this century proved that you don't need homegrown pitching to win, you just need cheap talent anywhere (preferably homegrown) periodI don't understand the futility comment at all.
The Dodgers? They won a whopping one WS title in this latest run of "success" thanks in large part to a 60 game schedule. They've spent a small fortune have next to nothing to show for it.
Sorry; I understood what you meant, I don't get what the poster you were quoting meant as like you said, they've won 4 WS titles and been to 7 ALCS series the past 18 years, it's not like they haven't been successful with their approach.The point was that the Sox this century proved that you don't need homegrown pitching to win, you just need cheap talent anywhere (preferably homegrown) period
Gotcha, yeah I don't know what he's on about. There are clearly different ways to build a winner. The 2004 team was built in a weird probably very hard to repeat way with almost no homegrown talent. The other 3 winning teams were built on a lot of homegrown guys, just not many of them happened to be pitchers.Sorry; I understood what you meant, I don't get what the poster you were quoting meant as like you said, they've won 4 WS titles and been to 7 ALCS series the past 18 years, it's not like they haven't been successful with their approach.
I'd pump the brakes on Bogaerts changing positions just yet. It says he's open to moving "down the road". I don't read that as meaning next season to accommodate Correa or Seager or someone like that. If he's really planning to opt-out after next year (and who could blame him?), his best chance to maximize his payday is to remain at SS at least through next season. Once he's got that new contract in hand that likely pays him through age 36-38+, of course he'd be more open to changing positions to help the team.Here’s the first pieces of real info to come out. They will be prioritizing a Devers extension, Bogaerts plans to opt out after next year but wants to stay in Boston, and is open to moving to 2nd or 3rd. This is a huge piece of news as it could open up Boston to one of the big time SS FAs.
Bloom also says they haven’t decided whether to offer the QO to ERod and there is mutual interest in bringing Schwarber back.
Devers is eligible for arbitration for the first time this offseason and the Boston front office will prioritize contract extension talks with the 25-year-old slugger, team sources told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32473690/boston-red-sox-evaluate-futures-cornerstone-players-rafael-devers-xander-bogaerts
It opens it up positionally but makes it a lot harder financially, you can only give out so many $200M deals.Here’s the first pieces of real info to come out. They will be prioritizing a Devers extension, Bogaerts plans to opt out after next year but wants to stay in Boston, and is open to moving to 2nd or 3rd. This is a huge piece of news as it could open up Boston to one of the big time SS FAs.
Please tell me that any of the other pieces of that deal are going to amount to more than a serviceable minor league player.I cannot believe we got him!!!
Winckowski had a pretty good year between AA and AAA this year in 112 innings and is only 23, the other 3 prospects are years from knowing if they're worth anything or not.Please tell me that any of the other pieces of that deal are going to amount to more than a serviceable minor league player.
The fans in Worcester will be getting their money's worth; those at Fenway, not so much.
I'd be very disappointed if they don't offer Erod the QO. I doubt he takes it, but having him for 1 more year would help out a ton. They get a year to figure out what they want to do with Houck and Whitlock, to see how Sale bounces back, and to see if they want to keep Erod and Eovaldi beyond 2022.Bloom also says they haven’t decided whether to offer the QO to ERod and there is mutual interest in bringing Schwarber back.
Devers is eligible for arbitration for the first time this offseason and the Boston front office will prioritize contract extension talks with the 25-year-old slugger, team sources told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32473690/boston-red-sox-evaluate-futures-cornerstone-players-rafael-devers-xander-bogaerts
Seems to me Semien might be a better fit than Correa or Seager. He's a bit older, so likely will sign for fewer years. He can play all over the infield - meaning he can play second in 2022, move to short if X signs elsewhere in 2023 (or if X re-signs and moves to third in 2023), and maybe would be coming to the end of his contract when Mayer is ready ....Here’s the first pieces of real info to come out. They will be prioritizing a Devers extension, Bogaerts plans to opt out after next year but wants to stay in Boston, and is open to moving to 2nd or 3rd. This is a huge piece of news as it could open up Boston to one of the big time SS FAs.
Bloom also says they haven’t decided whether to offer the QO to ERod and there is mutual interest in bringing Schwarber back.
Devers is eligible for arbitration for the first time this offseason and the Boston front office will prioritize contract extension talks with the 25-year-old slugger, team sources told ESPN.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32473690/boston-red-sox-evaluate-futures-cornerstone-players-rafael-devers-xander-bogaerts
Bogaerts will be 30 when the opt-out comes up, so I think we are talking $125M max.It opens it up positionally but makes it a lot harder financially, you can only give out so many $200M deals.
Thanks for the information.Winckowski had a pretty good year between AA and AAA this year in 112 innings and is only 23, the other 3 prospects are years from knowing if they're worth anything or not.
Semien will likely be in high demand for these very reasons. Also, grain of salt and all, but there are certainly rumblings that he wants to go back out westSeems to me Semien might be a better fit than Correa or Seager. He's a bit older, so likely will sign for fewer years. He can play all over the infield - meaning he can play second in 2022, move to short if X signs elsewhere in 2023 (or if X re-signs and moves to third in 2023), and maybe would be coming to the end of his contract when Mayer is ready ....
I can almost guarantee they will offer him a QO. They’d be dullards not toI'd be very disappointed if they don't offer Erod the QO. I doubt he takes it, but having him for 1 more year would help out a ton. They get a year to figure out what they want to do with Houck and Whitlock, to see how Sale bounces back, and to see if they want to keep Erod and Eovaldi beyond 2022.
If he doesn't take it then at least they get a comp pick if he leaves and they can still work out a longer term deal if they're interested.
he will be opting out of 4/80, I think 6/150 seems in the range of what he’d be looking for, at the minimum.Bogaerts will be 30 when the opt-out comes up, so I think we are talking $125M max.
And I predict he's going to Stephen Drew State Prison if he doesn't take it.I can almost guarantee they will offer him a QO. They’d be dullards not to
I know he said on record he was very interested in signing with the Red Sox last year, but they went with Kiké instead. He may be in demand, but the Red Sox are a big market team with lots of resources and winning ways, so, surely they could compete. BUT ... if he wants to be on the West Coast, whattaya gonna do?Semien will likely be in high demand for these very reasons. Also, grain of salt and all, but there are certainly rumblings that he wants to go back out west
The Red Sox also face a looming crossroads with Bogaerts, who can opt out of the final three years of his six-year, $120 million contract at the end of 2022. According to sources close to Bogaerts, the shortstop currently plans on opting out of the contract after 2022, but hopes to remain in Boston and finish his career with the Red Sox. The three-time All-Star shortstop is also open to moving to second or third base down the road.
Taylor hasn't had any seasons as good as Semien's 2019 and 2021. But, their ages and career numbers are pretty damn close. Given that he didn't just hit 45 HRs, he'd likely come cheaper. Then again, he didn't just hit 45 HRs.Semien would be great, but isn’t Chris Taylor a more realistic target to be this year’s Kiki? He can play anywhere, would provide depth across a plethora of positions. He’s 31, so a 2-3 year deal probably does it. Add him and my other binky Mark Canha and you’d have incredible versatility.
Bit sure what you mean…. But I suspect that he’ll get better offers than the Sox QO. But I’m wondering if the Sox offer him a QO… can they also then just offer to beat whoever else may want to just beat that?And I predict he's going to Stephen Drew State Prison if he doesn't take it.
The QO just means that if he signs elsewhere Boston gets a draft pick. They can sign him to whatever contract they’d like. And if the Yankees offer 6/150 for him they can just pocket the pick, re-sign Schwarber to play 1B and then use Dalbec to trade for more pitching. Oh, and draft another key pitcher from the Yankees in the Rule V draft.Bit sure what you mean…. But I suspect that he’ll get better offers than the Sox QO. But I’m wondering if the Sox offer him a QO… can they also then just offer to beat whoever else may want to just beat that?
Say if another team offers 3/60 can the Sox then offer 3/66 after?
Am I overthinking this?
I totally agree. The QO is more than the annual average salary he'd likely get at this point. He'd have the opportunity to pitch at full strength for a full season (as opposed to recovering from his lost COVID season), put up less mixed-message numbers and establish greater value for himself ...Then, as you say, Sox have more time to see about Houck and Whitlock, but also get a little more info on HIM. Seems like it could be in everyone's best interest. Plus, if he declines, they get the pick.I'd be very disappointed if they don't offer Erod the QO. I doubt he takes it, but having him for 1 more year would help out a ton. They get a year to figure out what they want to do with Houck and Whitlock, to see how Sale bounces back, and to see if they want to keep Erod and Eovaldi beyond 2022.
If he doesn't take it then at least they get a comp pick if he leaves and they can still work out a longer term deal if they're interested.