We are taking a free roll that Jabari has a wake up call realizing he’s on a min-contract and is going to have to work defensively to stick in the league. Personally I’ve never liked the player for what his hype was even out of college as he never had the athleticism to be an elite elite player.....but he’s always know how to score the ball. As others have said, if it works we have a nice cheap rotation guy next year and if not the cost was peanuts.Brad will play him if JP starts playing some defense, so maybe about 30% chance of that.
He may have beaten them out before the ink was dry lol.Player X being Jabari Parker isn't too crazy considering who he has to beat out.
I think you have a much lower opinion of Romeo than Brad does, he's often been the first wing off the bench since he's been back (albeit with Fournier out for much of that time). I think he slots into the second group in the Player X spot, given how they've handled their subs recently.Someone had to be purged after this disgusting 5 minutes from the end of the bench in the Lakers game. Personally I wish it was Waters but Wagner is fine too.
I think the rotation is becoming pretty clear and there is room for one more non-terrible wing to help this team out with regular minutes. Will that be Parker? Perhaps not. But the bar is very low him to be helpful, beating out the Semi-Nesmith-Romeo-Grant contingent isn't going to be very difficult. Brad and Danny are realizing the fewer minutes from that foursome, the better.
Kemba
Smart
Tatum
Jaylen
Timelord
Fournier
Thompson
Pritchard
Player X
Williams
Kornet
Carsen
Waters
Tacko
Semi
Nesmith
Romeo
Player X being Jabari Parker isn't too crazy considering who he has to beat out.
I think you have a much lower opinion of Romeo than Brad does, he's often been the first wing off the bench since he's been back (albeit with Fournier out for much of that time). I think he slots into the second group in the Player X spot, given how they've handled their subs recently.
Of two extremes of terrible play, littl eguy trying to do too much vs big guy scared to do anything, the former wins in my books.Someone had to be purged after this disgusting 5 minutes from the end of the bench in the Lakers game. Personally I wish it was Waters but Wagner is fine too.
Bartelstein probably called Ainge immediately after that Wagner/Waters debacle while it was still fresh in Danny's head.Mark Bartelstein is Jabari’s agent. I can totally see Ainge doing him a favor and taking on Jabari so he can play some minutes and get a contract for next year. If he does great then Ainge has a viable player for next year. Either Ainge has done Bartelstein a favor or vice versa, depending on how he plays.
I would assume it's a non-guaranteed year at his minimum so around $2.39M or so?Has anyone seen what the 2nd year is? option? size?
I really don't see Jabari playing a role, unless he completely shocks to the upside.
Danny is probably making a major deal this summer. Jabari = potential filler + upside option on play
The "potential filler" on a summer deal alone makes Parker worth more than Wagner
It's pretty difficult to be significantly worse than Grant Williams has been this season, so I'm not sure I buy that. "Grant Williams but worse on D and worse from 3" is basically the 45 year old that likes to post up at the local Y.Improved effort might make him more playable on D, but right now, he's basically Grant Williams, but worse on D, worse from 3, and better at mid-post creating his own shot.
Grant is shooting 38% from 3, Jabari's last 3 seasons are 32%, 27% and 0%. Grant has been bad on defense this year, but better than Jabari usually is, and last year Grant was good on D, Jabari has never had a season he wasn't bad on D. Grant had a terrible stretch, but he's been better recently.It's pretty difficult to be significantly worse than Grant Williams has been this season, so I'm not sure I buy that. "Grant Williams but worse on D and worse from 3" is basically the 45 year old that likes to post up at the local Y.
I don't expect much from Jabari, but the bar to be semi-useful is EXTREMELY low.
I don't disagree Grant is better from 3 and better on D than Jabari. The problem for Grant in this comparison is that there are other parts of basketball.Grant is shooting 38% from 3, Jabari's last 3 seasons are 32%, 27% and 0%. Grant has been bad on defense this year, but better than Jabari usually is, and last year Grant was good on D, Jabari has never had a season he wasn't bad on D. Grant had a terrible stretch, but he's been better recently.
Jabari Parker hasn't given any indications the last few years that he can shoot 3s or defend, so if you have expectations of him being anything other than DEEP bench you're going to be disappointed. I'd assume he's behind Grant and Semi in the neutral rotation, but may get an occasional matchup based run, he's somewhere between the 11th and 15th man. I assume just positionally he gets more run than Arsen and the 2 way guys, but he'll be fighting for those deep bench minutes with Kornet, Nesmith, etc.
Judging by your recent posts, you are REALLY down on Romeo. I suspect that the organization has a dramatically different read on his potential.I don't disagree Grant is better from 3 and better on D than Jabari. The problem for Grant in this comparison is that there are other parts of basketball.
Jabari being worse in those 2 categories doesn't mean he is "Grant Williams but worse in those 2 categories". It just means he is worse in those 2 categories.
I expect Jabari to get the Romeo treatment. He hasn't proven he sucks yet, so he'll get some run and they'll see what happens.
Romeo might be slightly above Semi and Nesmith but I also dont think it would be a big surprise for Jabari to beat him out. He's been a real live mediocre NBA basketball player pretty recently. A mediocre NBA wing is a big upgrade for the player X spot.
There is no way Parker plays before Romeo. Romeo has a job to do and that's come in and play defense. He does that super well, especially at smaller quicker guards that other Cs have problems guarding. He may be the Cs best on-ball defender. And the amazing thing that Romeo was drafted for his offeneive potential.It's pretty difficult to be significantly worse than Grant Williams has been this season, so I'm not sure I buy that. "Grant Williams but worse on D and worse from 3" is basically the 45 year old that likes to post up at the local Y.
I don't expect much from Jabari, but the bar to be semi-useful is EXTREMELY low.
Agreed.There is no way Parker plays before Romeo. Romeo has a job to do and that's come in and play defense. He does that super well, especially at smaller quicker guards that other Cs have problems guarding. He may be the Cs best on-ball defender. And the amazing thing that Romeo was drafted for his offeneive potential.
I know you hate GW but as noted on the broadcast Thrs night, he leads the Cs in +/- in April by a lot. SSS but clearly he must be doing something write.
Parker is a signing for next year. They are going to teach him the system; see how he practices / work-out, get him some run in garbage time, and evaluate. If they have to rely on JP for offense at any stretch this year, that probably means they got another injury bug and things aren't looking promising.
radsoxfan just likes dem POINTZAgreed.
The recent Grant Hate is a little overdone. Short offseason, came in overweight, working it off. Brad obviously sees something he likes. People are way too eager to give up on our late firsts, it's become fashionable to slam Danny's draft picks. As we've seen with Rob Williams, it may take a few seasons before they fully get up to speed in limited minutes.
Parker update
https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/4/16/22388722/what-jabari-parker-might-bring-to-the-boston-celtics
I don’t know why this made me laugh so much but picturing some Doc walking around his job telling everyone he is all about POINTZ did crack me up.radsoxfan just likes dem POINTZ
f me I just lost it laughing, thanks for the imageI don’t know why this made me laugh so much but picturing some Doc walking around his job telling everyone he is all about POINTZ did crack me up.
Working it off, lol ok. He is not, and I can find a post in the last week of YOU calling him fat.Agreed.
The recent Grant Hate is a little overdone. Short offseason, came in overweight, working it off. Brad obviously sees something he likes. People are way too eager to give up on our late firsts, it's become fashionable to slam Danny's draft picks. As we've seen with Rob Williams, it may take a few seasons before they fully get up to speed in limited minutes.
Parker update
https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/4/16/22388722/what-jabari-parker-might-bring-to-the-boston-celtics
We can move this to the Grant thread, but I think it's fair to say that:Working it off, lol ok. He is not, and I can find a post in the last week of YOU calling him fat.
Amazing how narratives change on players when they perform well for a stretch of games.
Maybe, or he learned how to play with the weight. Obviously, long term, you'd want the weight off.We can move this to the Grant thread, but I think it's fair to say that:
- he's playing a lot better of late, particularly on D
- he still really needs to drop weight to hit his potential
for sure. Grant was FAT from day 1 this season. So was Marcus. Didn't love it, both need to continue to work it offWorking it off, lol ok. He is not, and I can find a post in the last week of YOU calling him fat.
Amazing how narratives change on players when they perform well for a stretch of games.
Marcus looks fine/good now.for sure. Grant was FAT from day 1 this season. So was Marcus. Didn't love it, both need to continue to work it off
Someone will always be the worst non garbage time Celtic. I hate Grant Williams but there is no reason to think Jabari is any better than him.LOL. Grant sucks for a lot more reasons than not scoring points. He’s the worst non-garbage time Celtic this season by just about every advanced metric. The lack of his ability to score any points is just one easily illustrated problem, among many.
I thought you were implying Grant actually worked any off. Yes, he needs to. He has not though. Maybe he is working on it and failing badly, I dunno.for sure. Grant was FAT from day 1 this season. So was Marcus. Didn't love it, both need to continue to work it off
How is it a big WTF when you answered your own question?Jabari Parker is one of the great “WTF happened to that guy?” players of all time. I watched a shitload of Chicago Simeon HS games online because my alma mater had signed his teammate Kendall Pollard. Simeon won 4 consecutive Illinois HS championships while he was there. He had a good year playing for K at Duke, went #2 in the NBA draft and then the ACL issues started. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
That is a very dangerous mockery in this thread, on this board. Be careful.. . . . . is basically the 45 year old that likes to post up at the local Y.
Grant has had a bad season on a whole, no denying that. He's out of the quicksand, he was mired in the first few months. Still committing dumb fouls, but it appears he's moving a hair better. If that's changing the narrative so be it, he's clearly adding some value now.I thought you were implying Grant actually worked any off. Yes, he needs to. He has not though. Maybe he is working on it and failing badly, I dunno.
I don't know if the dumb fouls will ever end. I think that's a product of being slow. Although I guess some people think he'll get much quicker with some weight loss.Grant has had a bad season on a whole, no denying that. He's out of the quicksand, he was mired in the first few months. Still committing dumb fouls, but it appears he's moving a hair better. If that's changing the narrative so be it, he's clearly adding some value now.
BUT the dude has to cut his Chipotle platinum card to pieces
Rhetorical question my friend.How is it a big WTF when you answered your own question?
The thing about Parker’s defense was always versus starting 4’s where he was a 20, 21 and 22 year old still figuring out what he’s supposed to be doing. Much of this was a lack of physical skills agaiant the elite scorers in the league and some from his attitude of being a scorer and his mindset that scorers get paid.I've made the comment in other places that sometimes we commit the fallacy Billy Beane made famous in Moneyball---focusing on what guys can't do rather than what they can. The thing with Parker is he has shown he can score the ball in the recent past; that's something we can't say about anyone other than Fournier off the bench. I hear the defensive questions, which are very real and may prove to be a deal-breaker. Ditto the questions about the knee.
But the idea that they are better off with the established-no-role guys at the end of the bench going back to the offseason was wrong then and remains wrong now. Better to take a shot on a guy who might fit into a role than guys we know are only 'break glass' types. People think the question is "will Jabari be a star" and the answer there is almost surely no. But that isn't the question---we're trying to figure out if he can provide steady minutes and/or play a role that they'll need some nights (most likely scoring punch off bench when one of the big three is out)....and that's worth figuring out because we know Wagner, Kornet, Tacko, Waters, Grant, Semi can't do that.
Unfortunately for Jabari the knee injuries started in high school and he was never serious about the rehab until it was too late.Jabari Parker is one of the great “WTF happened to that guy?” players of all time. I watched a shitload of Chicago Simeon HS games online because my alma mater Dayton had signed his teammate Kendall Pollard. Simeon won 4 consecutive Illinois HS championships while he was there. He had a good year playing for K at Duke, went #2 in the NBA draft and then the ACL issues started. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.