Texans. Man, it's going to take at least 3 years to climb out of this hole BOB left the team in. They have no money, they have no picks, and the team right now sucks. So they can't get better in the short term.
So a big part of some of these is going to be the GM spot, assuming you get a good but not great GM at the places with openings.....Here, alphabetically, are the six openings. I suppose there's an outside chance that Nagy is added once the Bears are one-and-done, or Jerry Jones gets pissed or there's a surprise retirement, or Fagio is let go by the new Broncos GM, but for now this is it.
How do you rank them them in terms of great situation for coaches who might have a choice?
Chargers
Falcons
Jaguars
Jets
Lions
Texans
The latest odds suggest that Meyer is a big favorite to be the new Jacksonville Jaguars coach rather than turn it down.
Meyer will cost a hefty penny, particularly since he’s coming out of retirement and was paid handsomely during his stints at Florida and Ohio State. According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, Meyer wants a hefty contract to return to football in 2021.
According to Florio’s report, Meyer would want more than another new coach, Matt Rhule, who was paid $9 million a year with the Carolina Panthers and it’s a big number.
“A league source tells PFT that Meyer is looking for $12 million per year,” Florio wrote. “That’s not a crazy number, given the manner in which the market is going. And plenty of NFL coaches are getting paid in the eight figures annually.”
this is good info. You bumped least years thread, I think we have 2 going for this year.
Honestly, at what point do they seriously consider dealing Watson for an obscene haul and just implode the team for a full rebuild? I mean, he was amazing this season and they won 4 games.Texans. Man, it's going to take at least 3 years to climb out of this hole BOB left the team in. They have no money, they have no picks, and the team right now sucks. So they can't get better in the short term.
That's honestly the only way ... if they find a GM with enough stones to do it.Honestly, at what point do they seriously consider dealing Watson for an obscene haul and just implode the team for a full rebuild? I mean, he was amazing this season and they won 4 games.
I don’t know man, I would exhaust all other options first. Do they have no way to loosen up cap room?That's honestly the only way ... if they find a GM with enough stones to do it.
I'll admit to a little wish-fulfillment in my post. My do-nothing boss is a Texans fan. They can't sink low enough for me.I don’t know man, I would exhaust all other options first. Do they have no way to loosen up cap room?
They can cut the following and get cap savings. Question is: would they?I don’t know man, I would exhaust all other options first. Do they have no way to loosen up cap room?
I'd give them 3 first rounders for Watson, they can keep Watt.If you’re the Patriots, do you offer four #1 picks, and two #3 picks for Watt and Watson? If you’re the Texans, do you say yes?
Houston might be in the basement of the AFC South for the foreseeable future.I don’t know man, I would exhaust all other options first. Do they have no way to loosen up cap room?
I might be out on an island, but I’m keeping the QB(if it was my call)Houston might be in the basement of the AFC South for the foreseeable future.
Jacksonville has a ton of cap space and is about to get a QB that might run that division for the next decade.
Tennessee has Derek Henry and very good QB play from Tannehill.
Colts have a plus defense and depending on what they do at QB will likely be a fringe playoff team for the next few years.
So how useful is even “having Deshaun Watson and no one else” in that division when it doesn’t even seem like an incredible distinction? Like best case scenario, they’re battling for third place with Jacksonville next season.
Hard to do a full reboot when you’ve actually hit on a QB, but they’ve screwed up literally every decision since Watson and dug themselves into a hole.
Understood, and I don’t know what the “right” answer is, but Houston is multiple players away from being relevant in that division. I think if a team makes a godfather offer for Watson, you have to at least entertain the idea.I might be out on an island, but I’m keeping the QB(if it was my call)
he is terrible go on any LAC fan blog stie and ask what do u think about spanos most say f*** spanosGood save on his part.
Separately, I have to think that Chargers head coaching spot is the #1 job, assuming Spanos isn't terrible to work for.
If they don't make the right GM/Coach call this offseason, they might have to start over yet again in 2-3 yearsI think people are overrating how screwed HOU is. They're screwed next year, but after that they'll be fine. You don't trade Watson to move your timeline up a year.
He chose... poorly.Jaguars have Lawrence, tons of cap space, and a patient owner. It’s a sneaky-good situation. My son (Jags fan) wants Robert Saleh but thinks he’s getting Urban Meyer.
Stafford only has value if he agrees to rework his contract. He’s owed $42M for 2021-22, even apart from the $19M in dead money (not sure if that stays with the Lions or goes to his new team in case of a trade).i am thinking adam peteters is the leader to be gm in denver allready worked for denver 11-14 sf 15-20 is lynch right hand man if SF wants to trade jimmy G new england might have to outbid denver and if denver NE offer the same package lynch will plob pick denver ne might have to give up their 1st to get jimmy g because stafford is too much $$$ and det will want our 9 what i hope denver does is sign jacoby brissit QB indy trade down trade simmons and end up with 2 1st for 21 and 22 this why if lock sucks denver has 2 1st and a new coach in 22 to get the qb
But if you punt on the QB, then you have to get the next QB right in addition to the GM / coach. Better to keep the bird in the hand instead of giving yourself more problems to solve.If they don't make the right GM/Coach call this offseason, they might have to start over yet again in 2-3 years
Are you...Donkey Doug???Jaguars have Lawrence, tons of cap space, and a patient owner. It’s a sneaky-good situation. My son (Jags fan) wants Robert Saleh but thinks he’s getting Urban Meyer.
yep, this is the problem with every Texans trading Watson scenario...... You only trade a star QB if you think you will lose him or he'll decline a lot before your next window. Watson is locked up for many years and won't likely decline until at least 1 contract past then. You can rebuild pretty quickly in the NFL if you have QB set.It doesn't make sense at all for the Texans to trade Watson. The QB is the most important part to a franchise. If you trade Watson, you will just be looking for the next Watson. Why would anyone want to do that even if they got 3 or 4 first round picks?
Yeah, you're right. As I said, this was influenced by boss-schadenfreudeBut if you punt on the QB, then you have to get the next QB right in addition to the GM / coach. Better to keep the bird in the hand instead of giving yourself more problems to solve.
The Falcons CANNOT move Ryan this offseason - way too much dead money.The Falcons for example might move Ryan because he's in decline and they are a mess, so this might be the last chance to get something for him and you are unlikely to compete on his current contract.
I meant in general, though.... I'm not so sure they can't move him. A pre-June 1 trade adds $3.5M to this year, post June 1 actually saves a lot. Either way he's gonna count for a ton on the cap this year. The Falcons are in an absolute disaster zone this year, I would not be that surprised to see them try to trade every single piece with value (Jones, Jarrett, etc.) They need to move a ton just to get under the cap and they're going to be bad no matter what. Might be worth it to take the hit on Ryan to clean things up.The Falcons CANNOT move Ryan this offseason - way too much dead money.
Exactly this. I don't think the Falcons can necessarily make the Super Bowl again with Ryan at QB - although if everything breaks right and they get the right coaching, they might have a puncher's chance. But this was a historically good 4-12 team (which had a -1 point differential going into Sunday) that will be on everyone's list of dark horses for the playoffs next year. The Brees/Payton Saints have kept finding ways to avoid their cap hell from really affecting their ability to put good teams on the field, and the Falcons probably can as well for at least another year or two. (Of course, the Saints could be in serious cap hell next year without Brees...which is both a long-term cautionary tale for the Falcons and a short-term reason why they might want to go for it now.)Here's the thing about the Falcons:
They lost 12 games ... but 8 of those loses were by 7 points or less. With a coaching staff dedicated to cleaning up the type of mistakes that led to losses like that -- and a good draft class --- you could make the case that they would be a prime candidate to be one of those teams that rebounds and makes the playoff next season.
We don't know what a Brees-less Saints team will look like over a full season.
We don't know if Brady at 44 will still have it.
We don't know how long the Carolina rebuild will be.
Saying the Falcons should tear it down and start over doesn't take into account that they were far away from being better than an 8-8 Bears playoff team
Some fair points about their record underperforming, but Ryan is no spring chicken himself, Julio is getting up there, Keanu Neal is a FA, and they are $25 MM over the projected cap despite having only 31 players under contract for 2021 (the fewest in the NFL). They will also have a new GM, who may or may not prioritize contending in the near term versus getting things in order for a later run.Here's the thing about the Falcons:
They lost 12 games ... but 8 of those loses were by 7 points or less. With a coaching staff dedicated to cleaning up the type of mistakes that led to losses like that -- and a good draft class --- you could make the case that they would be a prime candidate to be one of those teams that rebounds and makes the playoff next season.
We don't know what a Brees-less Saints team will look like over a full season.
We don't know if Brady at 44 will still have it.
We don't know how long the Carolina rebuild will be.
Saying the Falcons should tear it down and start over doesn't take into account that they were far away from being better than an 8-8 Bears playoff team
We just spent 16 weeks watching Cam Newton throw ground ball practice to our crappy WRs. We're in no position to laugh anymore.Oh, and I really think I'm going to start a Falcons-specific 2021 thread once they have a new coach and/or GM, if for no other reason than to give everyone a single place to laugh at me.
True ... I was just responding to the idea that they wre a complete Dumpster fire. Seven teams made the playoffs this year that didn't last year. I can see the Falcons doing that kind of turnaround, if only in one last hurrah for Ryan and JulioSome fair points about their record underperforming, but Ryan is no spring chicken himself, Julio is getting up there, Keanu Neal is a FA, and they are $25 MM over the projected cap despite having only 31 players under contract for 2021 (the fewest in the NFL). They will also have a new GM, who may or may not prioritize contending in the near term versus getting things in order for a later run.
The problem is, they can't run that team back, they're way over the cap next year and they don't have a lot of easy cuts to get under the cap:Here's the thing about the Falcons:
They lost 12 games ... but 8 of those loses were by 7 points or less. With a coaching staff dedicated to cleaning up the type of mistakes that led to losses like that -- and a good draft class --- you could make the case that they would be a prime candidate to be one of those teams that rebounds and makes the playoff next season.
We don't know what a Brees-less Saints team will look like over a full season.
We don't know if Brady at 44 will still have it.
We don't know how long the Carolina rebuild will be.
Saying the Falcons should tear it down and start over doesn't take into account that they were far away from being better than an 8-8 Bears playoff team
I'm sure Mathews is not that bad all the time, but good lord did he get worked in Super Bowl LI. He probably still has nightmares about Chris Long bullrushing him.Holy shit that Jake Mathews deal. Sticks out like a diseased, septic thumb.
That was my takeaway although who knows. Wonder if they would deal Hurts.So Wentz is likely staying.
Lot of NFL people seem to think Wentz is the starter next year now.So Wentz is likely staying.
Have to think they'd want a 1st for him. He's super cheap because of his draft slot, and you aren't getting a better backup for less. Especially since Wentz might be broken, I think they hold him.That was my takeaway although who knows. Wonder if they would deal Hurts.
Yup. I think they would want a 1st and more for Hurts. If Philly offered me Hurts for #15 and a 2022 2nd or 3rd, I think I would pull the trigger. You'd be getting a much better version of Cam (2020 version) on a cheap deal and could go nuts in FA to fill rest of the roster.Lot of NFL people seem to think Wentz is the starter next year now.
Have to think they'd want a 1st for him. He's super cheap because of his draft slot, and you aren't getting a better backup for less. Especially since Wentz might be broken, I think they hold him.
Ooff, that's a terrible job too. I wouldn't touch the Eagles with a 10 foot pole.