Well, fuck. If that's all it takes, why not just open the world, "as long as it is safe"?Jaylen Brown on CNN now, says he was in on the call and says most of the influential players want to play and his teammates want to play and come back as long as it is safe.
This. It would probably be helpful for the NBA to publicly state this in a clear fashion.We're not going to be 100% safe for anytime in the near future. At the same time, as noted, we cannot hibernate and allow civilization to collapse all around, which is a very real risk if we stay locked down "until a vaccine".
Safe first means that by playing, they will not contribute to a community outbreak. Second, that the spread among the participants (players and others) can be quickly detected and contained. Whether the NBA can get there with their Orlando tournament is TBD at this point, IMO.
I think the hope is that with constant testing and lots of other steps in place, the likelihood of that happening is small. Even without any real plans or restrictions in place, the Jazz somehow managed to escape with only two players being infected and Smart didn't spread it at all within the Celtics. It's a tough question for sure though and I'm not sure there's a great answer. On the other hand, the situation you describe will seemingly remain in place until a vaccine hits and It's probably not realistic to stop sports from returning until that happens.I’m still not sure I get it.
if after the first week of playing (say 3 games), 5 players are confirmed positive on 3 different teams, with one team having 3 positives. What is the next step? Obviously those 5 are quarantined. But what of the others? What of the team with 3 positives?
If sports decide they need to wait for it to be 100% safe, there will be no sports for years - possibly decades - and that is not a realistic option. They have tests, they have the means to detect positives fairly quickly (my nursing home can get test results in 24 hours, so I would imagine worst case the NBA can do this) so just play already. No fans. Minimal other non-players/refs.This. It would probably be helpful for the NBA to publicly state this in a clear fashion.
I'm still not sure what it does to the legitimacy of the eventual title winner if a key player has to be quarantined partway through. I don't think most people would view the 1997 Utah Jazz as deserving champions if Jordan had been held out from Game 5 on due to sickness+contagion risk, but that's exactly what the league would do now (and I wouldn't argue with it).
I guess the answer is that everyone will get entertainment at a hard time, money will be made, and some team's fanbase will be stuck justifying its title for years. Not the worst outcome, all things considered.
Plan A is no infections. I am just wondering what Plan B is. The example above, what is realistic? Do you shut things down for two weeks? I'm not trying to come off as an alarmist, I am just wondering what people would have as a plan if (when) one or more players test positive?I think the hope is that with constant testing and lots of other steps in place, the likelihood of that happening is small. Even without any real plans or restrictions in place, the Jazz somehow managed to escape with only two players being infected and Smart didn't spread it at all within the Celtics. It's a tough question for sure though and I'm not sure there's a great answer. On the other hand, the situation you describe will seemingly remain in place until a vaccine hits and It's probably not realistic to stop sports from returning until that happens.
I have to believe the NBA is working on such a plan in consultation with team physicians and public health professionals. The underlying assumption is that they can do daily testing with an accurate, rapid response system, of which several now exist.Plan A is no infections. I am just wondering what Plan B is. The example above, what is realistic? Do you shut things down for two weeks? I'm not trying to come off as an alarmist, I am just wondering what people would have as a plan if (when) one or more players test positive?
If they play, the title this year is going to a massive asterisk next to it for all time regardless, for obvious reasons - there will never have been an NBA season/playoffs even remotely similar to this one even in the best case scenario where no player gets sick (no home court advantage, etc.).This. It would probably be helpful for the NBA to publicly state this in a clear fashion.
I'm still not sure what it does to the legitimacy of the eventual title winner if a key player has to be quarantined partway through. I don't think most people would view the 1997 Utah Jazz as deserving champions if Jordan had been held out from Game 5 on due to sickness+contagion risk, but that's exactly what the league would do now (and I wouldn't argue with it).
I guess the answer is that everyone will get entertainment at a hard time, money will be made, and some team's fanbase will be stuck justifying its title for years. Not the worst outcome, all things considered.
If the Celtics win, then the asterisk is that they overcame and persevered through one of the weirdest times in NBA history and delivered without the benefit of home court to help them. The Champion of Champions. If the Lakers win, it doesn't count and fuck em.If they play, the title this year is going to a massive asterisk next to it for all time regardless, for obvious reasons - there will never have been an NBA season/playoffs even remotely similar to this one even in the best case scenario where no player gets sick (no home court advantage, etc.).
If the Celtics win, then the asterisk is that they overcame and persevered through one of the weirdest times in NBA history and delivered without the benefit of home court to help them. The Champion of Champions. If the Lakers win, it doesn't count and fuck em.
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I guess the answer is that everyone will get entertainment at a hard time, money will be made, and some team's fanbase will be stuck justifying its title for years. Not the worst outcome, all things considered.
Wouldnt they then Stop?I’m still not sure I get it.
if after the first week of playing (say 3 games), 5 players are confirmed positive on 3 different teams, with one team having 3 positives. What is the next step? Obviously those 5 are quarantined. But what of the others? What of the team with 3 positives?
Just like that big asterisk we always put next to the 1987 Championship Washington Football Team? When they went 3-0 with replacement players while the Giants and Eagles each went 0-3?If they play, the title this year is going to a massive asterisk next to it for all time regardless, for obvious reasons - there will never have been an NBA season/playoffs even remotely similar to this one even in the best case scenario where no player gets sick (no home court advantage, etc.).
I don't have Insider, so what the hell 3 moves could possibly be more impactful than the Billy King heist? We basically got two all-stars for free, not to mention the trade for Irving, out of what proved to be two very-nearly-value-neutral assets.Not sure where this goes, but some good NBA fodder:
ESPN ranked the impact of trades/drafts/signing over the last decade
http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/29074327/ranking-biggest-nba-trades-transactions-lebron-decision
Celtic highlights:
#73 Horford signing
#70 Kyrie trade
#22 C's steal IT
#20 Tatum+/Fultz (should be ranked higher IMO)
#4 The Nets boondoggle
They have attachments, where you can go back and see how ESPN rated the trade "at time of transaction".
3 Harden tradeI don't have Insider, so what the hell 3 moves could possibly be more impactful than the Billy King heist? We basically got two all-stars for free, not to mention the trade for Irving, out of what proved to be two very-nearly-value-neutral assets.
The 1944 St. Louis Browns say pennant flags fly forever.If they play, the title this year is going to a massive asterisk next to it for all time regardless, for obvious reasons - there will never have been an NBA season/playoffs even remotely similar to this one even in the best case scenario where no player gets sick (no home court advantage, etc.).
No, it was the Kawhi trade to SA. The other Kahwhi trade was #6I'll give them the KD signing.
The Kawhi trade was for one year, and it worked as well as it possibly could, but frankly I think his decision to go to the Clippers and then trade a king's ransom for Paul George is probably more league-changing (extent * number of years it affects) than his walk-year sojourn to Toronto. Hell, Lebron's return to Cleveland was probably more impactful overall. I would bump this ranking to the 4-6 range.
Harden trade... that's a tougher call. It gutted what should have been a legendary core in OKC, but I'm not sure it brought Houston to where they wanted to be either (notwithstanding that they probably win the west in 2018 if Chris Paul doesn't get hurt). I'm not sure it's bigger than the Billy King trade, but I'm not sure it's not, either.
"I'm taking my talents to the chamber pot."There is a Barkley quote in here that is just unreal:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStaxpRvKds
I also like Zach Lowe being super-happy about the Swamp Dragons being real.
Couldn't quite make something out at 9:41, is that what you're talking about? Something like, "I don't know anything 'bout the Sun Kings, but the Sun Kings're in trouble"?There is a Barkley quote in here that is just unreal:
Lol yes, the fact that you just hear it from a distance makes it even better.Couldn't quite make something out at 9:41, is that what you're talking about? Something like, "I don't know anything 'bout the Sun Kings, but the Sun Kings're in trouble"?
Before the first game of the 92 Olympics, Barkley said “I don’t know nothin about Angola, but there in trouble.”Other than being annoying to make out, I must've missed the joke or reference or something.
I've found these videos helpful from time to time:Other than being annoying to make out, I must've missed the joke or reference or something.
If it's not coming from someone associated with a team, why would it be? Endorsements aren't a blatant cap violation.I have no idea what thread this belongs in, but Spencer Dinwiddie may have gone crazy during the quarantine. He's trying to raise a go fund me for $24m+ in bitcoin to let fans pick what team he signs with next. Don't ask how that works or how it wouldn't be a blatant cap violation.
View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1261478418555777024
That's really interesting. So if fans REALLY wanted to see a player come to their team, and each team could only offer the max, you could theoretically have some super rich fan(s) - or a ton of regular fans - pony up major $$ to give to the guy if he comes to your team? Let's say a superrich buddy of Mark Cuban offers a free agent insane money to come to Dallas. And who knows...maybe one of Cuban's other businesses funnels money and business back to that friend somehow. Or not. Either way this would be legal?If it's not coming from someone associated with a team, why would it be? Endorsements aren't a blatant cap violation.
Endorsements aren't tied with a certain team though. If Nike told a guy, we'll pay you $20 million to wear our shoes and sign with a team I find it really hard to believe that would fly. I also feel like for campaign to even make any sense part of taking the 24m is that he'll sign with whatever team they choose for a far below market rate deal that's being subsidized by fans. If the fans say sign with a team that has no cap space, then he has to take whatever they can offer (plus the 24 million from fans).If it's not coming from someone associated with a team, why would it be? Endorsements aren't a blatant cap violation.
Welcome to SEC Football.That's really interesting. So if fans REALLY wanted to see a player come to their team, and each team could only offer the max, you could theoretically have some super rich fan(s) - or a ton of regular fans - pony up major $$ to give to the guy if he comes to your team? Let's say a superrich buddy of Mark Cuban offers a free agent insane money to come to Dallas. And who knows...maybe one of Cuban's other businesses funnels money and business back to that friend somehow. Or not. Either way this would be legal?
this would be funny, except it's just the truth.Welcome to SEC Football.
A funny truth?this would be funny, except it's just the truth.
this is more entertaining than non-Celtics regular season NBA games for me. I wish they just had more seasons/episodes.There is a Barkley quote in here that is just unreal:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CStaxpRvKds
I also like Zach Lowe being super-happy about the Swamp Dragons being real.
Think of the hilarity possible though in convincing Human Coronaviruses to sign with teams you hate.That's really interesting. So if fans REALLY wanted to see a player come to their team, and each team could only offer the max, you could theoretically have some super rich fan(s) - or a ton of regular fans - pony up major $$ to give to the guy if he comes to your team? Let's say a superrich buddy of Mark Cuban offers a free agent insane money to come to Dallas. And who knows...maybe one of Cuban's other businesses funnels money and business back to that friend somehow. Or not. Either way this would be legal?
Well, definitely not if the owner ends up funneling money back.That's really interesting. So if fans REALLY wanted to see a player come to their team, and each team could only offer the max, you could theoretically have some super rich fan(s) - or a ton of regular fans - pony up major $$ to give to the guy if he comes to your team? Let's say a superrich buddy of Mark Cuban offers a free agent insane money to come to Dallas. And who knows...maybe one of Cuban's other businesses funnels money and business back to that friend somehow. Or not. Either way this would be legal?
The old seasons should be available. They're pretty fantastic.this is more entertaining than non-Celtics regular season NBA games for me. I wish they just had more seasons/episodes.
Incidentally, the rehabilitation of Carmelo Anthony's reputation this year is one of those stories that will be completely obliterated by COVID and its impacts.I wonder if we could donate money to force a team to take a certain player. I for one, would put up cash to see Melo sign with the Lakers.
Not just Melo, but two other former All-NBA guys were having nice seasons: Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose. Really this was a fun season with lots of great stories (other than Kobe's death) that was just wiped out. Everything sucks.Incidentally, the rehabilitation of Carmelo Anthony's reputation this year is one of those stories that will be completely obliterated by COVID and its impacts.
However Melo, while no Allstar or even a top tier player was a decent pickup for Portland, especially factoring in Rodney Hood's injury.
I hope Melo sticks around another season- the NBA is more fun with him in the league imo.
Pretty crazy that Kobe Bryant dying in a fiery helicopter crash is going to be a minor anecdote for 2020 when this year is recapped.Not just Melo, but two other former All-NBA guys were having nice seasons: Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose. Really this was a fun season with lots of great stories (other than Kobe's death) that was just wiped out. Everything sucks.