Then wait for the thread to be moved. As of this moment, it’s not.This thread should be moved, then, because it’s hard to avoid discussing politics when your fav sports team drafts a neo nazi.
Then wait for the thread to be moved. As of this moment, it’s not.This thread should be moved, then, because it’s hard to avoid discussing politics when your fav sports team drafts a neo nazi.
You're the guy who just dispelled the worst speculation about him, and the guy was the kicker for Marshall but somehow it's a huge concern. You can play this game with anyone. Did someone support any cause that antifa supported at any point? Well then that means . . blah blah blah. And the "tie to neo-nazis" is an accusation used by splc to tar anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders as somehow being supporters of the freaking Bund or something. Let's take a deep breath.You don't see why people would be concerned about the Patriots employing a guy who is a member of a right-wing militia that has been tied to neo-Nazis and attempted acts of domestic terror?
Discussion began in the other thread and a moderator told us to come to this thread to discuss it.Then wait for the thread to be moved. As of this moment, it’s not.
So, there are ”very fine people” in that group?In a very small defense.... it's not Neo-Nazi, there are probably neo-Nazi's in the group, but it's generally more gun-nut, super Republican/Libertarian nut-job group rather than a straight up, racist/anti-Semitic group.
Also suggests that the Pats one hundred percent knew about it and (right or wrong) are comfortable with him-that’s not an answer he came up with on the fly.And there we go. That's a reasonable explanation, whether true or he just was young and dumb. That's reasonable and I think you can feel comfortable at least giving him a chance based on that
So the followup question then is: when did you learn what it actually represented and why haven't you got it covered already?View: https://twitter.com/dougkyed/status/1254141319586426882?s=21
Justin Rohrwasser on what appears to be a 3 percenter tattoo: "I got that tattoo when I was a teenage." Says he thought it was for military support. Says it's not something he represents and plans to cover it.
Libertarian/moral relativism/bootstraps starter kit: book recommendations he gave include 12 Rules by Jordan Peterson, The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink.You folks can scour his twitter account: https://twitter.com/Xjrowex16
Who knows? Maybe they did.After Aaron Hernandez it’s hard to believe this team not doing its due diligence on a potential draft pick.
A lot of explaining to do, no? I’m guessing Boston sports writers will be all over this in short order.There's no proof he is a neo-nazi. While he has some explaining to do, it's not fair to label someone like that when there's no evidence beyond a tattoo. Speculate if you want, but cut the bullshit with the definitive statements. SOSH should be better than this.
Have you met teenagers?eh...have a hard time believing someone gets that tattoo randomly without knowing what it means.
Dude you routinely used to call Daisuke Matsuzaka a “jap” on a another board, so you don’t exactly get to claim the moral high ground here.So the followup question then is: when did you learn what it actually represented and why haven't you got it covered already?
Also: what does "covered" mean to you in this context. Tattooed over? Covered with an armband or long sleeve undershirt on the field?
ehhhhh
When was that?I miss when sports was just sports...
... and recommended a Jordan Peterson book on Twitter a few weeks ago.eh...have a hard time believing someone gets that tattoo randomly without knowing what it means.
What aggravation?I guess he should be given the benefit of the doubt on his explanation(no matter how shaky it is), and should be judged on how he conducts himself going forward. The problem is, any half decent Internet sleuths will now be doing a deep dive into his entire social media history, and if it reveals anything beyond right wing/gun nut/conspiracy stuff, this has the potential to blow up in their face badly. Very questionable as to whether a bottom of the draft kicker is worth that potential aggravation.
And you stole a bunch of money from people for a book you never put out so neither do you.Dude you routinely used to call Daisuke Matsuzaka a “jap” on a another board, so you don’t exactly get to claim the moral high ground here.
Eh, that seems a little simplistic. There are larger potential business and PR concerns that could impact the Krafts brand. It could/would go beyond just Bill dealing with questions at a presser.What aggravation?
"You'll have to talk to Justin about that. I'm here to talk about football."
Rinse, repeat.
He can 100% not really know what that tat meant when he was a teen and still recommend a Peterson book. No one is claiming he's not on the conservative side of things.... and recommended a Jordan Peterson book on Twitter a few weeks ago.
I actually meant to say probably, but the Peterson book isn’t helping his cause.Fuck off. There's no proof he is a neo-nazi. While he has some explaining to do, it's not fair to label someone like that when there's no evidence beyond a tattoo. Speculate if you want, but cut the bullshit with the definitive statements. SOSH should be better than this.
Or...... and recommended a Jordan Peterson book on Twitter a few weeks ago.
The fact is, it almost certainly won't, but it probably should. Most people in the general public and sports media are very eager to look the other way in this type of situation. It will get glossed over quickly.Eh, that seems a little simplistic. There are larger potential business and PR concerns that could impact the Krafts brand. It could/would go beyond just Bill dealing with questions at a presser.
Agreed, he has some explaining to do, and he and the patriots will be asked about. But let's not label someone a neo-nazi before the draft pick has even been fully processed.A lot of explaining to do, no? I’m guessing Boston sports writers will be all over this in short order.
I never called the dude a neo-nazi.Agreed, he has some explaining to do, and he and the patriots will be asked about. But let's not label someone a neo-nazi before the draft pick has even been fully processed.
Who people vote for can be left out of this. The question should remain as to whether he associates or espouses views with/of neo nazis. If opposition to that is considered “political,” we are in a bad place.So...we still have to hate him because he didnt want to vote Bernie? You tell me how I should feel.
Well, I mean it’s not just because. It’s because he has a tattoo of the symbol of one such group on his arm that isn’t really associated with anything else.Agreed, he has some explaining to do, and he and the patriots will be asked about. But let's not label someone a neo-nazi before the draft pick has even been fully processed.
To me, “covered” would mean another tattoo on top that hides it. If that’s not the case, then it’s clear he still wants to show it to some people, just not everyone.So the followup question then is: when did you learn what it actually represented and why haven't you got it covered already?
Also: what does "covered" mean to you in this context. Tattooed over? Covered with an armband or long sleeve undershirt on the field?
ehhhhh
Disagree.They've felt the need to cut bait with people in the past, due to off field conduct. Also, people under 50 or so have a lot more concerns and sensitivity to these things, rightly and thankfully. If he was revealed to be closer to a white supremacist(and have I no idea whether that's the case) they would not just be able to sweep this under the rug.The fact is, it almost certainly won't, but it probably should. Most people in the general public and sports media are very eager to look the other way in this type of situation. It will get glossed over quickly.
Speaking for the over-60 crowd, that's horse-hockeyAlso, people under 50 or so have a lot more concerns and sensitivity to these things, rightly and thankfully.
Then let's find out. If hes a racist asshole, obviously hes gotta go.Who people vote for can be left out of this. The question should remain as to whether he associates or espouses views with/of neo nazis. If opposition to that is considered “political,” we are in a bad place.
It is...possible this was a childhood teen thing and stopped there when the group morphed, but we’ll certainly be finding out soon as his social media posts emerge the next day or so.
Speaking for the nearly 60 crowd, I don't think so.Speaking for the over-60 crowd, that's horse-hockey
Well, thanks for painting everyone in an age group with the same brush. That's real swell of you.Speaking for the nearly 60 crowd, I don't think so.
Nip said no politics. Everyone else got the message. You need to as well.So...we still have to hate him because he didnt want to vote Bernie? You tell me how I should feel.
As an aging punk, this reminds me of all the guys who have Skrewdriver t-shirts but only liked them "before they were racist."Who people vote for can be left out of this. The question should remain as to whether he associates or espouses views with/of neo nazis. If opposition to that is considered “political,” we are in a bad place.
It is...possible this was a childhood teen thing and stopped there when the group morphed, but we’ll certainly be finding out soon as his social media posts emerge the next day or so.
Yeah, thats not really at all what I did. I think most here are perceptive enough to understand points being made in the abstract, and that there are of course always exceptions. But I get that drive by snark is your thing. So have fun.Well, thanks for painting everyone in an age group with the same brush. That's real swell of you.
Nip, this is my bad. I thought you were saying we couldn’t discuss the tattoos at all. I see that is not the case now, so I apologize.Then wait for the thread to be moved. As of this moment, it’s not.
Apologies to you as well, Mauf. I did not mean to sound as though I was throwing you under the bus, so I hope it did not come off that way.Nip said no politics. Everyone else got the message. You need to as well.
Kenny's F'ing Right on this one. Until we learn more, perhaps this thread will be better served by focusing on the football side of the selection.Then let's find out. If hes a racist asshole, obviously hes gotta go.
But people have decided to jump on him as a nazi already. I think he deserves a chance to explain himself (he did), and I think people shouldnt be allowed to confuse the issue by blending Republican/Libertarian views with neo-nazi views. Especially until we learn more.