Info that BOS did not have when making that decision.And a 1.80 ERA in 2005 in 2 starts (15 IP) and 7 shutout innings against the Yankees in 2006.
Info that BOS did not have when making that decision.And a 1.80 ERA in 2005 in 2 starts (15 IP) and 7 shutout innings against the Yankees in 2006.
That's true. But if you're evaluating whether it was the right decision to let him leave, and you're using a SSS like starts against one particular team, I think it's fair to evaluate what he did against that team afterwards, no?Info that BOS did not have when making that decision.
You're gonna get some decline no matter what. The frequency of seeing a guy is a huge factor in hitting him better. It's why Pedro absolutely destroyed AL west teams. It's why the Sox finally had some success against Rivera. No matter how great you are if you face a really good hitting team a lot of times they will eventually do better against you.lNo arguing with religion.
Nice of MLB network to show this game. Fisk about to come up and homer in the 8th.This
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I was a 11/12 when both of these happened and the "business of baseball" hadn't hardened me yet. For a few years my mother and my friend's mother used to take us to opening day and as luck would have it one of those years the scheduling gods were nice enough to have a Sox/Sox matchup to welcome back Fisk who then proceeded to hit a HR as part of a White Sox win.
It occurs to me, thinking about this in light of the little Pedro sploogefest in the other thread, that it wasn't really Pedro's departure in itself that devastated me. It was more the whole slow-motion decline in his gloriousness and his importance to the team. He was never really the same after the 2001 injury, but he was still damn good for a couple of years. But by 2004, he was less than he had been, and got overshadowed by Curt Schilling, which is like an offense against the dignity of the gods or something. That championship should have been his crowning moment, and instead he was kind of an afterthought, a supporting player. That, on top of the humiliation of the way he was misused by Grady in the denouement of 2003, and just the whole way he gradually fell from Olympus to just an ordinary ace, and then to a pretty good #2, and then he left, and then he just kept declining. It wasn't a catastrophe, it was just a slow sad ride into the middle distance. It kind of reminds me of Frodo at the end of Lord of the Rings -- the hero who's too wounded to enjoy the triumph, and kind of fades into the background while his lesser companions get the glory.Mookie, hands down. Pedro is my all-time favorite athlete and nobody else is close, so seeing him go was rough, but he was also at the tail end of his marvelous career.
I hear you. I'm just really glad Pedro had his masterpiece in game 3 of the World Series.It occurs to me, thinking about this in light of the little Pedro sploogefest in the other thread, that it wasn't really Pedro's departure in itself that devastated me. It was more the whole slow-motion decline in his gloriousness and his importance to the team. He was never really the same after the 2001 injury, but he was still damn good for a couple of years. But by 2004, he was less than he had been, and got overshadowed by Curt Schilling, which is like an offense against the dignity of the gods or something. That championship should have been his crowning moment, and instead he was kind of an afterthought, a supporting player. That, on top of the humiliation of the way he was misused by Grady in the denouement of 2003, and just the whole way he gradually fell from Olympus to just an ordinary ace, and then to a pretty good #2, and then he left, and then he just kept declining. It wasn't a catastrophe, it was just a slow sad ride into the middle distance. It kind of reminds me of Frodo at the end of Lord of the Rings -- the hero who's too wounded to enjoy the triumph, and kind of fades into the background while his lesser companions get the glory.
Defense from Manny and Papi deserve some of the credit for that linescore. He had a similar performance in the 2009 NLDS, his next post-season appearance.I hear you. I'm just really glad Pedro had his masterpiece in game 3 of the World Series.
7.0 ip, 3 h, 0 r, 0 er, 2 bb, 6 k, in a 4-1 win that slammed the door on the Cardinals instead of letting them back into the series.
It definitely counts. I'd say the departure of Ned Martin & Jim Woods in 1978 upset me more than any player leaving. It was so final. In one fell swoop our connection to daily baseball on the radio with these genuine, likable baseball guys was axed without a reasonable explanation. Listening to the Sox on the radio has never been the same.And, if it counts, no one leaving has bothered me in a long time more than Orsillo.
It definitely counts. I'd say the departure of Ned Martin & Jim Woods in 1978 upset me more than any player leaving. It was so final. In one fell swoop our connection to daily baseball on the radio with these genuine, likable baseball guys was axed without a reasonable explanation. Listening to the Sox on the radio has never been the same.And, if it counts, no one leaving has bothered me in a long time more than Orsillo.