Kirby Pucket was at 1.29 but only had 1,783 games. DiMaggio was at 1.28 but only had 1,736. Altuve is at 1.26 (infinitesimally ahead of Jeter) in his first 1,243 games. 8 guys are ahead of Gwynn who debuted pre-1930.Surprising (to me) and impressive:
MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)
1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
All except Clemente mostly hit 1 or 2, right?Surprising (to me) and impressive:
MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)
1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
Ha - MLB Most PAs per game (min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)All except Clemente mostly hit 1 or 2, right?
Gwynn was primarily 3rd, Jeter 2nd and 1st, Molitor 1st (and 3rd), Boggs 1st and 2nd and 3rd, Clemente 3rd.All except Clemente mostly hit 1 or 2, right?
Rolen has had a pretty quick rise in his 3 years of candidacy. This might not still be true but it was true until recently: everyone who has gotten to 50% by their 5th year has eventually made it in. I think you'll see him elected within the next few years.Rolen not getting more traction is puzzling to me; his JAWS has him 10th among third baseman with above-average career WAR and peak WAR. He doesn't have any black ink, but was an above average hitter, as evidenced by his career 122 OPS+, and has respectable career hitting numbers; 2,000+ hits, 300+ homers, career .364 OBP, etc. Throw in the fact that he is easily one of the five best defensive 3B of all time, and probably should have been the 2006 WS MVP (jobbed out as voters gave it to Eckstein) and I'm surprised he isn't getting more consideration.
Not counting those still on the ballot, this appears to still be true.Rolen has had a pretty quick rise in his 3 years of candidacy. This might not still be true but it was true until recently: everyone who has gotten to 50% by their 5th year has eventually made it in. I think you'll see him elected within the next few years.
Anyway, only a bit more than an hour until the announcement. Anyone want to take a stand on whether Walker makes it?
This got me right in the feels. Heidi Watney gave a wonderful introduction and you could feel her emotion coming through. I'll admit it, I was teraring up. Gammons was beautiful.Really nice dedication to Cafardo from Gammons here:
View: https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1219735723856875523
What, no gift basket?One writer? Where can i send him 10 bucks for a cocktail.
Jeter is a deserving, first ballot Hall of Famer.Ugh, someone left Jeter off, so we're back to this stupid game.
So considering that there are no truly outstanding first timers coming on the ballot next year do you think Curt makes it or do the writers screw him by giving him 74 .99999 percent of the vote? Under normal circumstances Schilling would be a shoe in right?Larry Walker and Derek Jeter get in.
Jeter missed unanimous by one vote.
Curt Schilling 70.0.
We won't know until next week when the HOF releases all the post-announcement ballots. They weren't named among the 218 pre announcement known ballots.Is the one writer who left Jeter off the ballot named?
I don’t know who it is, but I hope it is noted moron voter LaVelle Neal III...only because hoping it is hacker homer George King is just too unrealisticIs the one writer who left Jeter off the ballot named?
If you want to win a bunch of bar bets, ask people what player in the 1990s had the most hits.Surprising (to me) and impressive:
MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)
1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
Like Shaughnessy?I think you can safely say the anti PEDs voters represent about 40% and they are pretty solid in their stance. Glad to see Walker get in if for no other reason than to annoy that stupid NY writer who left everyone else off his ballot saying Jeter deserved to stand alone. Also, nice of Yahoo to do this to Walker.
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I think he knew he voted for just Jeter but didn’t read anything else he had to say (that’s usually for the best). Did he use the same rationale?Like Shaughnessy?
It would be perfectly reasonable to believe that there are more than 10 worthy candidates, and of those, Jeter is the one who least needs your vote.In all honesty I really don't care who left Jeter off his/her ballot. IMO there's really no need to give a self righteous gatekeeper his/her 15 minutes of fame. I would however like to hear a valid reason for doing so.
If that's his/her reasoning I'd like to see the ballot.It would be perfectly reasonable to believe that there are more than 10 worthy candidates, and of those, Jeter is the one who least needs your vote.
I didn’t read his piece, eitherI think he knew he voted for just Jeter but didn’t read anything else he had to say (that’s usually for the best). Did he use the same rationale?
Why? What difference does it make whether someone gets voted in unanimously? There have been dozens of better players who weren’t voted in unanimously; there is no rule that says voters must vote for a player in his first year of eligibility if they intend to do so later, and you’re either in or out; percentage means nothing substantively. I don’t see a single thing wrong with someone deciding he doesn’t vote for first-year eligible players, or that he doesn’t want to use his vote to elevate Jeter to soMe kind of mythical status he doesn’t deserve. It’s their vote, they can do what they want with it.If that's his/her reasoning I'd like to see the ballot.
Derek Jeter 396 (99.7 percent), Larry Walker 304 (76.6), Curt Schilling 278 (70.0), Roger Clemens 242 (61.0), Barry Bonds 241 (60.7), Omar Vizquel 209 (52.6), Scott Rolen 140 (35.3), Billy Wagner 126 (31.7), Gary Sheffield 121 (30.5), Todd Helton 116 (29.2), Manny Ramírez 112 (28.2), Jeff Kent 109 (27.5), Andruw Jones 77 (19.4), Sammy Sosa 55 (13.9), Andy Pettitte 45 (11.3), Bobby Abreu 22 (5.5), Paul Konerko 10 (2.5), Jason Giambi 6 (1.5), Alfonso Soriano 6 (1.5), Eric Chávez 2 (0.5), Cliff Lee 2 (0.5), Adam Dunn 1, Brad Penny 1 (0.3), Raúl Ibañez 1 (0.3), J.J. Putz 1 (0.3), Josh Beckett 0, Heath Bell 0, Chone Figgins 0, Rafael Furcal 0, Carlos Peña 0, Brian Roberts 0, José Valverde 0.
Feel better? Go back to the post I responded to as well as my original post. I'd be curious to see if A) the voter did indeed feel there were 10 other worthy candidates and B) who they are. I'm more interested in these things vs the need that some have to know who the voter is.Why? What difference does it make whether someone gets voted in unanimously? There have been dozens of better players who weren’t voted in unanimously; there is no rule that says voters must vote for a player in his first year of eligibility if they intend to do so later, and you’re either in or out; percentage means nothing substantively. I don’t see a single thing wrong with someone deciding he doesn’t vote for first-year eligible players, or that he doesn’t want to use his vote to elevate Jeter to soMe kind of mythical status he doesn’t deserve. It’s their vote, they can do what they want with it.
Before that post you referred to the voter as possibly being a self righteous gatekeeper, which suggests to me you don’t consider “I don’t want to make Jeter a unanimous selection, because that would unreasonably elevate him” a valid reason. I personally think that’s an absolutely valid reasonFeel better? Go back to the post I responded to as well as my original post. I'd be curious to see if A) the voter did indeed feel there were 10 other worthy candidates and B) who they are. I'm more interested in these things vs the need that some have to know who the voter is.
It's all personal opinion, but I always felt if I thought a guy was worthy he would get my vote regardless as to how many others may or may not vote for him.If I had a vote, I would not have voted for Jeter solely because he doesn’t deserve to be unanimous. Maybe that would cost me my future voting privileges but ok. If it was a secret ballot, I don’t think he’d be close to unanimous.
I like that Brad Penny, Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez and JJ Putz all got one vote and Josh Beckett got zero.The whole vote. I love seeing the one vote guys. Brad fucking Penny?
You see it as valid, I see it as self righteous. "I don't want to.........unreasonably elevate him." Like I said in my last post it's a matter of personal opinion.Before that post you referred to the voter as possibly being a self righteous gatekeeper, which suggests to me you don’t consider “I don’t want to make Jeter a unanimous selection, because that would unreasonably elevate him” a valid reason. I personally think that’s an absolutely valid reason
I don't agree with you often, but this is my take. Clear HOFer, but not the GOAT.If I had a vote, I would not have voted for Jeter solely because he doesn’t deserve to be unanimous. Maybe that would cost me my future voting privileges but ok. If it was a secret ballot, I don’t think he’d be close to unanimous.