He really hasn’t been getting great separation.My point wasn't about his pace but about your contention that he doesn't get any separation "anymore", like he's a 33 old WR, just hanging on.
He really hasn’t been getting great separation.My point wasn't about his pace but about your contention that he doesn't get any separation "anymore", like he's a 33 old WR, just hanging on.
Sure, but they have been using him in some TE routes, where separation is less likely and he uses his physical prowess to make the catch.He really hasn’t been getting great separation.
I'll make the argument that if they were calling this by the way the rule is written that it should not have been a flag on Jones but should have been a flag on Allen. Helmet to Helmet hits on a runner are not illegal. That's illegal is lowering your head to initiate and make contact with your helmentI'm not sure anyone is saying the hit shouldn't have been a penalty. Helmet to helmet contact will get flagged.
Posters are reacting to the peanut gallery calling for ejection. The replays clearly show that the play was not worthy of an ejection.
I’m not sneezing at it. Never said Gordon didn’t have value. But I thought we’d be getting more from him with Gronk gone and my observation from watching the games is that he’s not getting a whole lot of separation, some of which may be injury related. Would love to see the All 22 for his routes because maybe that tape tells a different story. Still plenty of time for him to make more of an impact and I will be rooting for him like crazy to do so.Sure, but they have been using him in some TE routes, where separation is less likely and he uses his physical prowess to make the catch.
I'm not sure 60 catches for like 800 yards is anything to sneeze at. Especially since he's making only $2 million.
Someone mentioned that Gordon was double-teamed on key downs. Is that true?I’m not sneezing at it. Never said Gordon didn’t have value. But I thought we’d be getting more from him with Gronk gone and my observation from watching the games is that he’s not getting a whole lot of separation, some of which may be injury related. Would love to see the All 22 for his routes because maybe that tape tells a different story. Still plenty of time for him to make more of an impact and I will be rooting for him like crazy to do so.
Definitely true in some cases so some of this may be that he’s getting more attention from defenses. Thanks, AB (Sorry, need about a month to get the disappointment out of my system).Someone mentioned that Gordon was double-teamed on key downs. Is that true?
Doesn’t the rule on runners require leading with the crown of the helmet? It applies to both runners and defenders, btw, so I’m unsure why, by rule, Allen didn’t commit a foul. He’s the one who dipped his helmet towards Jones.
Ugly hits involving QBs, punters or kickers tend to draw flags on the other team.Doesn’t the rule on runners require leading with the crown of the helmet? It applies to both runners and defenders, btw, so I’m unsure why, by rule, Allen didn’t commit a foul. He’s the one who dipped his helmet towards Jones.
Here’s the defenseless player rules, which don’t apply here because his forward progress was not stopped:
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/
So which rule are we dealing with?
Sure, but in terms of the actual rules, Jones did nothing wrong. Allen did. It would be nice for the league to do the right thing and deliver a hefty fine to Allen for his dangerous play.Ugly hits involving QBs, punters or kickers tend to draw flags on the other team.
Allen was in the process of being tackled by another defender. He still kept his feet, barely, but had very limited freedom of movement and had a very large human draped on his waist. Assigning any sort of blame to him for that play seems like the height of wearing Patriots-colored glasses.Sure, but in terms of the actual rules, Jones did nothing wrong. Allen did. It would be nice for the league to do the right thing and deliver a hefty fine to Allen for his dangerous play.
I do wonder what would have happened had Allen popped back up and Jones been laid out.
Just getting to know his 2022 starting corner (although there's an out-clause after this year, per spotrac).Bill using the post game scrum to track down Micah Hyde the guy that intercepted Tom so he could figure out what went wrong.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/30/micah-hyde-intercepted-brady-told-belichick-he-was-staring-him-down/
I don't think it's about blame - in the sense that there was some maliciousness at the core of the play. However - Allen is a big QB that was struggling and leaning/falling very close toward the 1st down marker. Jones is a smaller defender that needed to deliver a blow that would change Allen's direction (to prevent a 1st down). I really don't know what he was supposed to do. Get out of the way? He was ready to deliver a shot to the chest and Allen fell forward. If anything Allen's head hit him and Jones was knocked back.Allen was in the process of being tackled by another defender. He still kept his feet, barely, but had very limited freedom of movement and had a very large human draped on his waist. Assigning any sort of blame to him for that play seems like the height of wearing Patriots-colored glasses.
02:21Sure, but in terms of the actual rules, Jones did nothing wrong. Allen did. It would be nice for the league to do the right thing and deliver a hefty fine to Allen for his dangerous play.
I do wonder what would have happened had Allen popped back up and Jones been laid out.
The play calling seemed to be geared toward eliminating the chance for pressure. All the misdirections and quick slants, most were unsuccessful but to me it seemed like Josh or TB or Belichick or all three did not trust the line to protect at all for “normal” pass plays.From BSJ today. Interesting, it didn't feel like this watching the game:
Brady was pressured 11 times on 39 dropbacks. That’s only 28 percent which is not a high number, even for a pocket passer. Plus, Brady was not sacked and we only counted two quarterback hits. PRESSURE WAS NOT A FACTOR.
I mean they’re playing football. Allen was 100% still moving forward and likely would have gotten a critical first down on 3rd and long, if not for Jones stepping up to make a tackle. Allen lowered his head and planted the side of Jones’s helmet, as Jones was squaring up his shoulder to make contact. The rules, which I cited, are abundantly clear. If anyone committed a foul, it was Allen.Allen was in the process of being tackled by another defender. He still kept his feet, barely, but had very limited freedom of movement and had a very large human draped on his waist. Assigning any sort of blame to him for that play seems like the height of wearing Patriots-colored glasses.
And that was a come behind win for KC. NE has yet to trail this season.And not that it matters, but I just find it funny....
KC beat 2-0-1 Detroit on the road by 4.
NE beat 3-0 Buffalo on the road by 6.
And so as a result, Sports Illustrated's MMQB vaulted KC over NE for the top spot in their power rankings.
A game in which they required a pretty fortunate 100 yard fumble recovery to win.And that was a come behind win for KC. NE has yet to trail this season.
Don't bring me down with this talk of justifying KC being more highly rated.538's ELO system has KC at #1, and did last week as well. The gap widened this week although their scores are still very close.
It’s not that that I found funny.... it’s that they (SI) had the Pats #1 until this week, when the only thing that changed was that KC beat a worse team by fewer points than the Pats did over a better team.Don't bring me down with this talk of justifying KC being more highly rated.
"Everyone Thinks We Suck - The Sequel"It’s not that that I found funny.... it’s that they (SI) had the Pats #1 until this week, when the only thing that changed was that KC beat a worse team by fewer points than the Pats did over a better team.
Don't bring me down with this talk of justifying KC being more highly rated.
I'll Roethlisberger the ELO joke, @BaseballJonesIt’s not that that I found funny.... it’s that they (SI) had the Pats #1 until this week, when the only thing that changed was that KC beat a worse team by fewer points than the Pats did over a better team.
I understand where they're coming from. We've been watching Brady turn to stone.Don't bring me down with this talk of justifying KC being more highly rated.
That one is clearly the best.I have no idea which system is more reliable or historically accurate, but Football Outsiders / DVOA has the Pats at 32.1% to win it all vs 14.5% for KC.
Ha. That's nice.Kraft Sports getting pretty frisky with this week’s Sights & Sounds...
View: https://youtu.be/yp7S8mvSTXM
I wonder how long Matthew Slater has had that sliding on the knees in the end zone move planned. Shocked that was his first TD.Kraft Sports getting pretty frisky with this week’s Sights & Sounds...
View: https://youtu.be/yp7S8mvSTXM
Long time..I wonder how long Matthew Slater has had that sliding on the knees in the end zone move planned. Shocked that was his first TD.
Are you talking about on the double-pass? He leveled Barkley about 5 seconds after he made the lateral to Brown. Pretty much a no-doubt personal foul.Did we ever figure out what KVN got called for roughing the blocker?
The NFL a few years ago started flagging off-ball hits and blocks on Ks, Ps, and QBs as a protective measure after they were getting lit up on interceptions or punt/kick returns.But Barkley is an eligible receiver at that point and within 5 yards of the LOS. Can't KVN legally deck him until the ball is in the air?
Brady is an eligible receiver in those double pass plays too usually. And if someone crushed him from behind, off the play, they'd be flagged for sure.But Barkley is an eligible receiver at that point and within 5 yards of the LOS. Can't KVN legally deck him until the ball is in the air?