Sounds like some Seinfeld dirty talk there.He says he has no control over his clothes, as someone else lays out his clothes for him.
Sounds like some Seinfeld dirty talk there.He says he has no control over his clothes, as someone else lays out his clothes for him.
All that from 2 quotes from a 3rd party source? Glad we aren't quick to place judgement.So Anthony Davis is a toddler who has someone put out his clothes. Also he wasn't sure if mom or dad picked them out today? Yeah he's gonna chase LeBron and be a Laker.
Third party source? There's a video posted of Davis saying exactly that.All that from 2 quotes from a 3rd party source? Glad we aren't quick to place judgement.
Ok. Fair enough. It was a video - I only read the quotes. My apologies. Clearly I am in the wrong here. Please judge me accordingly for saying something so foolish.Third party source? There's a video posted of Davis saying exactly that.
I mean the guy's wearing a Looney Tunes shirt for his exit while LeBron's rebooting the Space Jam franchise. I don't see how it gets any more obvious.So Anthony Davis is a toddler who has someone put out his clothes. Also he wasn't sure if mom or dad picked them out today? Yeah he's gonna chase LeBron and be a Laker.
Shaggy is pretty sure it wasn't him.Third party source? There's a video posted of Davis saying exactly that.
i mean, Yabus demeanor is great and all but we’re taking about AD!But the idea of tearing the heart out of the team by trading
Oh.Smart
Draft pick salaries are counted as $0 for salary-matching purposes until the player signs. See CBA FAQ, Question 89. They do count holds for salary cap purposes, but they don't count as salaries to use in trades.How do they handle future draft picks with regards to salaries? They must count in the equation somehow. Do they just use an average value (since you don't know what slot they will be in)?
Yes, it would create an additional salary of up to $4.46m (120% of the 2019-2020 rookie scale slot for the #9 pick of $3,719,500), with the same restriction that they'd have to sign the drafted player and wait 30 days before making the trade official. (Of course, there's the well-discussed competing consideration that the #9 pick may have comparably lower value to NOP than a future pick).In terms of salary matching, would the Memphis pick conveying at 9 this year make any difference in terms of who we can avoid sending to New Orleans (assuming they still do the deal including the player picked 9th in lieu of the future pick had it not conveyed this year)?
Zero point zero one percent.Is there any chance David Griffin doesn't decide to trade AD and tries to sign him long term? At his PC today, he talked about his great relationship with Klutch Sports and how he's going to sit down with AD and discuss what his vision is etc.
Excellent point! I'm curious how Gibson's deal would be calculated for trading purposes. Per CBA FAQ, for a "minimum-salary player with more than two years in the league and playing on a one-year contract, the minimum salary for a two-year player is used" when calculating salary for trading purposes.Don't forget, the C's have Bird Rights on Jonny Gibson and can package him up in any AD deal for additional salary ballast.
Yep. The top four, by themselves, put BOS over the cap. Also, not a lot of depth there, so any injury to one of the top four really hurts. And Brown clearly leaves after next year, because he won't be paid (which is why it might make sense to include him in any NO trade, both for the salary and the ability to retain a high draft pick).Man, that's an expensive 10 players. Does that leave with you with no MLE (since using the taxpayer midlevel hard caps you at the apron, I assume going over the apron means you can't use the t-MLE?)
It's certainly possible, but the NO-BOS trade would have to be worked out before the draft and the MEM-BOS arrangement would also have to be worked out before MEM would otherwise pick (since MEM would then be picking for BOS who would be picking for NO). Moving from 9 to 8 only gets you about $400k of salary ballast. But that might be enough to trade 22 to NO, instead of trading with BRK to get 17.If Memphis doesn't convey, the Celtics need the $4.46m to match salaries, and the Pelicans are OK with an AD deal that includes #9 (i.e. they don't insist on a future Memphis pick), I wonder if Memphis and Boston could work out a deal to convey this year's #8 (or #7) to Boston in exchange for a release of their claim to the Grizzlies' future pick.
Interesting point. Tatum + Brown likely blows away any other package (it even holds a candle to Knox/Zion).Yep. The top four, by themselves, put BOS over the cap. Also, not a lot of depth there, so any injury to one of the top four really hurts. And Brown clearly leaves after next year, because he won't be paid (which is why it might make sense to include him in any NO trade, both for the salary and the ability to retain a high draft pick).
We wouldn't be moving from #9 to #8, right? We'd be moving to #8 from nothing, since we wouldn't get #9 - so we'd get $4.86m of salary ballast. (Maybe I'm misunderstanding).It's certainly possible, but the NO-BOS trade would have to be worked out before the draft and the MEM-BOS arrangement would also have to be worked out before MEM would otherwise pick (since MEM would then be picking for BOS who would be picking for NO). Moving from 9 to 8 only gets you about $400k of salary ballast. But that might be enough to trade 22 to NO, instead of trading with BRK to get 17.
If he wants to maintain that great relationship with LeBron Sports he'll trade Davis to LA.Is there any chance David Griffin doesn't decide to trade AD and tries to sign him long term? At his PC today, he talked about his great relationship with Klutch Sports and how he's going to sit down with AD and discuss what his vision is etc.
If you're acquiring AD, in this scenario I assume you've at least traded Tatum. You're not building for the future. You're trying to win right now. Horford is a much better player than Brown right now. Not that either Horford or Brown would have to go, but if one did it would be Brown.I think in a situation where AD is acquired you don't extend Horford and save that money for Brown. Horford turns 33 in June while Brown turns 23 in late October.
SRN is the only true Warrior fan and he never said this. I said I would be surprised to see Golden State to do the S&T for just Hayward and a pick. Myers knows Hayward may still be good again but also knows he isn't yet close to the player he once was and may never be. I can't see them taking on a max contract for two years for a guy who may be the equivalent of a mid-level rotation player but you never know.According to the Warrior fans they won’t accept anything less than Tatum, Brown, Horford, and the Memphis pick for Durant. I expect that the realistic price is going to be Hayward and a draft pick. Assuming that Kyrie decides that he wants to stay here and and Durant is OK with Boston over whatever team they’d discussed teaming up on previously.
We have covered this. You are correct - its effectively the same thing though. Regardless, as you note, the chances of Durant trying to go to Boston are fairly low. I don't believe that Irving is going to leave though and I am not as sold on Durant pulling the trigger as others like Simmons etcIt won’t be a sign & trade, it will be a “I’ll pick up my option if you trade me to Boston” thing. However I’ve long said that I expect Irving and Durant to form their super team elsewhere.
It has to work for the player, too. Why would Rozier, in particular, want to go to NO and play with Jrue Holiday? I think Morris will want to play with his brother, if possible, and PHI would be a preferable 2nd option.What about using FAs Morris and/or Rozier as trade ballast? As I understand it, 50% of their new salary can be used for salary matching purposes. Is that right? Can it be a two year deal, or even an 1 and 1 as a player option?
N.O. had their most successful season in years with a PG, Rondo, playing with Holiday.It has to work for the player, too. Why would Rozier, in particular, want to go to NO and play with Jrue Holiday? I think Morris will want to play with his brother, if possible, and PHI would be a preferable 2nd option.
Come on man...that squad had AD. This one wouldn't. That's a rather large point you're omitting.N.O. had their most successful season in years with a PG, Rondo, playing with Holiday.
It would be yet another season of KD taking a paycut though. His option year is for 31.5M. He can sign for a max starting around 38M assuming cap comes in around the 109M expected. He's left quite a bit of money on the table the past few years, he could be done with that.We have covered this. You are correct - its effectively the same thing though. Regardless, as you note, the chances of Durant trying to go to Boston are fairly low. I don't believe that Irving is going to leave though and I am not as sold on Durant pulling the trigger as others like Simmons etc
Has to be at least three years with no player options in the first three years. Only first year has to be guaranteed, but any non-guaranteed years would be at the teams discretion.What about using FAs Morris and/or Rozier as trade ballast? As I understand it, 50% of their new salary can be used for salary matching purposes. Is that right? Can it be a two year deal, or even an 1 and 1 as a player option?
They had AD for four other seasons that weren't as successful as the one with Rondo as PG and Holiday as off guard. The point I'm trying to make is they can succeed with another PG starting in the back court, and if signing Rozier for three years is what it's going to take to get their hands on Tatum, pairing him with Holiday shouldn't be seen as a big negative.Come on man...that squad had AD. This one wouldn't. That's a rather large point you're omitting.
For how long? Anthony Davis is 26. Kyrie Irving is 27. Marcus Smart is 25. Old Man Hayward is...29. We're talking about 33-35 year old Horford + some years of cap space they can't really use vs. 23-28+ Jaylen Brown. This isn't about building for the future, it's about maximizing talent over the next 5 years when most of the roster is in its prime.If you're acquiring AD, in this scenario I assume you've at least traded Tatum. You're not building for the future. You're trying to win right now. Horford is a much better player than Brown right now. Not that either Horford or Brown would have to go, but if one did it would be Brown.
How happy or efficient will Jaylen be as the 4th banana on a Kyrie/AD/Hayward led team? Smart fits perfectly and so does a 33-35yr old Al Horford. While I like Brown and his potential, it took a while for him to embrace his role this season. IMO Jaylen is looking to lead a team and would struggle to get the deal he'd like playing an ancillary role on the Celtics.For how long? Anthony Davis is 26. Kyrie Irving is 27. Marcus Smart is 25. Old Man Hayward is...29. We're talking about 33-35 year old Horford + some years of cap space they can't really use vs. 23-28+ Jaylen Brown. This isn't about building for the future, it's about maximizing talent over the next 5 years when most of the roster is in its prime.
No. I'm saying the evidence is inconclusive that they can replicate that success (with 2 PGs) when AD is not on team. They might, but just because they did it with an All-NBA player once, doesn't mean they can do it without that guy.As far as the squad not having AD, of course it won't if they're trading him to Boston. Are you saying the only way Holiday can play effectively with a PG is if Davis is on the team?
And if we're talking which guy is more likely to help you win a title in that next five years, the answer for me is Al Horford. I know everyone is obsessed with age, but what are the chances Jaylen Brown at any point in the next five years becomes as valuable a player as Horford is currently. I think it's real small.For how long? Anthony Davis is 26. Kyrie Irving is 27. Marcus Smart is 25. Old Man Hayward is...29. We're talking about 33-35 year old Horford + some years of cap space they can't really use vs. 23-28+ Jaylen Brown. This isn't about building for the future, it's about maximizing talent over the next 5 years when most of the roster is in its prime.
Agreed, and that’s why those people are fans and not GMs. From GS’ perspective, how else are they going to improve if Durant just walks? A return to form by Hayward is probably a risk worth taking especially on just a 1+1 left after this year. An opted in Horford might even be preferable since they could re-sign him at lower money and give Draymond whatever they need to. It would all come down to whether they’re OK with making Boston into a “super team” and would want to placate Durant. Considering they’re in different conferences, I’d wager they would.According to the Warrior fans they won’t accept anything less than Tatum, Brown, Horford, and the Memphis pick for Durant. I expect that the realistic price is going to be Hayward and a draft pick. Assuming that Kyrie decides that he wants to stay here and and Durant is OK with Boston over whatever team they’d discussed teaming up on previously.
Yeah I hope we can convince him too!Isn't David Griffin the NO GM now?
Heyward is the player that needs to go and if you give up the Kings and Grizzlies picks plus Tatum (and take back Moore or, more reluctantly, Hill) I'm not sure how they can say no. Sure you give up on Gordon and he might end up returning to what he once was with Utah, but you free up salary, get to keep Smart and end up with Anthony Davis. I'm completely on board with a Davis, Horford, Brown, Smart and Irving starting five.I guess if you think Tatum is never going to develop on a team with Kyrie, then moving him makes sense. But the idea of tearing the heart out of the team by trading Smart and then also shipping Tatum away with him is pretty hard for me to swallow.