Greg Schiano Expected to be Named Patriots DC (Unconfirmed)

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Feb 5, 2018

That's a huge slap in the face to Flores. Usually the coordinators are hired from within the organization.

Dislike if true.

soxin6 · Feb 5, 2018

I am not really surprised by this. When OSU brought on a Co DC, it seemed like they expected Schiano to leave and it was clear that he wasn't getting a college job.

Three10toLeft · Feb 5, 2018

Patricia might be taking Flores with him.

Just a thought.

Number45forever · Feb 5, 2018

Fine with me. Belichick has done nothing but rave about Schiano for a very long time. New blood running the defense can't hurt.

Ed Hillel · Feb 5, 2018

Gotta be the easiest job in the world at this point lol. Expectations will be two punts. I’m agnostic here. I don’t know much about his defensive schemes or play-calling abilities. Hopefully better than last night, which is a kinda pretty low bar.

I bet Flores jets if Patricia or McDaniels want him. Or anyone else.

Hoodie Sleeves · Feb 5, 2018

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
That's a huge slap in the face to Flores. Usually the coordinators are hired from within the organization.

Dislike if true.

Usually is a stretch here.

Patricia was an internal hire.
Pees wasn't.
Mangini was internal.
Crennel wasn't.

I'm impressed with Flores's performance turning Kyle Van Noy, etc into a real linebacker, but the defense has been a trashfire, and outside help might be a good thing.

JimD · Feb 5, 2018

After last night, I'm more than OK with this. Maybe Schiano would have had the balls to tell Belichick he was being an idiot for holding Butler out for the entire game.

DeadlySplitter · Feb 5, 2018

JimD said:
After last night, I'm more than OK with this.

emptyquoted and I think that's all there is to it.

Bill clearly has a coaching weakness in the RPO. some fresh blood to help in that regard is needed because I bet more and more offenses try to copy the Eagles next year, and it was already on the rise.

(am I the only one who didn't really hear the term RPO until last night? of course it was said every 2 minutes)

DJnVa · Feb 5, 2018

Is it weird I've never heard of footballscoop.com?

moondog80 · Feb 5, 2018

I'm fine with this. In Bill We Trust.

jsinger121 · Feb 5, 2018

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
That's a huge slap in the face to Flores. Usually the coordinators are hired from within the organization.

Dislike if true.

Agreed. But I would wait until a real writer who covers the NFL breaks this.

jsinger121 · Feb 5, 2018

RedOctober3829 said:
Zach Barnett and FootballScoop are extremely well-connected in the college football world.

He may well be coming here but lets wait to see if its as DC or AHC/LB's or something else.

MillarTime · Feb 5, 2018

JimD said:
After last night, I'm more than OK with this.

JimD · Feb 5, 2018

If he's coming in as DC, I hope BB trusts him enough to give him serious input on free agent acquisitions and the draft. I'm so ready to move beyond 'bend but don't break'.

Mystic Merlin · Feb 5, 2018

I remember when some folks were pissed that Patricia was named DC over Pepper Johnson.

I have no fucking idea if Brian Flores is a better fit than Schiano.

mauf · Feb 5, 2018

RedOctober3829 said:
My thought is that Belichick wants somebody with outside perspective to come in and fix this defense.

This is where I’m at.

It’s not so much that Flores isn’t qualified; it’s that the veterans on that defense need to show up for camp next summer with the attitude that they’re playing for a new coach and aren’t guaranteed a starting job, or in some cases even a roster spot. That’s a hard environment for someone who was just promoted internally to create.

Ale Xander · Feb 5, 2018

I hope I am wrong, I don't like this move, would have preferred it 14 days ago if it were to happen at all.

Actually strike that, would have preferred they just send Patricia away 14 days early and have Flores as DC for yesterday and the future.

Saving grace is that he knows Devin and Duron well and maybe can get more out of them I can hope. Too bad Logan isn't here any more. Could have used him yesterday.

Also obviously hoping there's no fire with the PSU smoke.

PedroKsBambino · Feb 5, 2018

Mystic Merlin said:
I remember when some folks were pissed that Patricia was named DC over Pepper Johnson.

I have no fucking idea if Brian Flores is a better fit than Schiano.

Ditto. People get so positional about coaches and we have almost zero idea who is doing what, or who is good, or who can adapt to a different role. I know what we do here is speculate (and I'm as guilty as the next guy generally about that) but for some reason with assistant coaches it feels like an even bigger information void than usual!

SeoulSoxFan · Feb 5, 2018

Note: added "Unconfirmed" as we only have a single source so far.

OurF'ingCity · Feb 5, 2018

Yeah, is it really a "slap in the face" if they just decided Flores is a solid LB coach but for whatever reason might not make a great defensive coordinator? Or just that they want new blood? Given that Flores was interviewing for head coaching jobs I doubt he'll have trouble finding work if he chooses to leave (as others have stated, would not be surprised at all to see him become Patricia's D-coordinator in Detroit).

lexrageorge · Feb 5, 2018

I'd rather Belichick name the guy who he thinks will do the best job running the defense, even if the result is perceived as a "slap in the face" by one of his current assistants.

Jnai · Feb 5, 2018

lexrageorge said:
I'd rather Belichick name the guy who he thinks will do the best job running the defense, even if the result is perceived as a "slap in the face" by one of his current assistants.

Organizations exist on timescales longer than this year. The belief that excelling in your current job will lead to a promotion is an important thing that keeps employees hungry and motivated.

I have no idea how Flores would react to this. But we should care about more than just this year's defense, and it is important to consider all the implications.

jsinger121 · Feb 5, 2018

jsinger121 · Feb 5, 2018

lexrageorge · Feb 5, 2018

Jnai said:
Organizations exist on timescales longer than this year. The belief that excelling in your current job will lead to a promotion is an important thing that keeps employees hungry and motivated.

I have no idea how Flores would react to this. But we should care about more than just this year's defense, and it is important to consider all the implications.

What if, after those implications are considered, Bill still feels that Schiano is the best person for the job?

Sometimes organizations do need to reach outside to bring people in. The Pats have done it before, and they somehow managed the loss of Brian Daboll as a result.

Jnai · Feb 5, 2018

lexrageorge said:
What if, after those implications are considered, Bill still feels that Schiano is the best person for the job?

Sometimes organizations do need to reach outside to bring people in. The Pats have done it before, and they somehow managed the loss of Brian Daboll as a result.

That's possible. It's just not what your post said.

lexrageorge · Feb 5, 2018

Jnai said:
That's possible. It's just not what your post said.

It did say that. But whatever.

wnyghost · Feb 5, 2018

Can some explain if Flores is a good coach?

TheoShmeo · Feb 5, 2018

The idea of Schiano coming to NE to work with Belichick is interesting on a lot of levels. Not the least of which is how it relates to the story that Josh may not be totally out in NE, and might stay if BB himself leaves. And even if something that dramatic didn't happen, how Schiano and Josh, if he stays, might relate as "next man up" candidates would be interesting. Said differently, I assume if Schiano is coming, Bill is staying and Josh is indeed headed to Indy. But on the morning after the Butler decision (initial benching and leaving him there), who the hell knows what anyone is thinking?

Ale Xander · Feb 5, 2018

Not a fan of the coach in waiting for Schiano. I'm certainly going to have a shorter leash with the Pats/NFL with a Schiano-led team (post Brady/JG/BB) than a McD or Flores or Patricia led one.

Jungleland · Feb 5, 2018

Trick plays and Tim Tebow be damned, there is no one (realistic) that I'm more comfortable with as the next head coach of the Pats than McDaniels. If Schiano's arrival as DC signals him as the next man up, I'm very disappointed and concerned with that.

dcmissle · Feb 5, 2018

TheoShmeo said:
The idea of Schiano coming to NE to work with Belichick is interesting on a lot of levels. Not the least of which is how it relates to the story that Josh may not be totally out in NE, and might stay if BB himself leaves. And even if something that dramatic didn't happen, how Schiano and Josh, if he stays, might relate as "next man up" candidates would be interesting. Said differently, I assume if Schiano is coming, Bill is staying and Josh is indeed headed to Indy. But on the morning after the Butler decision (initial benching and leaving him there), who the hell knows what anyone is thinking?

Can you or Buck run the thread? Buck bought BB leaving after the Wickersham piece. And I fully expect ESPN to stitch this together -- and Dianna Rossini to retract her retraction and say that ESPN WAS reporting yesterday the twin retirements, and got it half right. We all can have a grand time with the speculation.

Hoodie Sleeves · Feb 5, 2018

Jnai said:
Organizations exist on timescales longer than this year. The belief that excelling in your current job will lead to a promotion is an important thing that keeps employees hungry and motivated.

Absolutely.

But a lot of the times the "only promote from within" ends up leading to a dearth of talent in the organization as a whole, and people getting promoted to the level of their own incompetence and then never leaving.

Promoting people who can't do the job also has a strong negative affect.

If they don't think Flores is ready, they absolutely should be hiring from outside.

tims4wins · Feb 5, 2018

Hoodie Sleeves said:
Absolutely.

But a lot of the times the "only promote from within" ends up leading to a dearth of talent in the organization as a whole, and people getting promoted to the level of their own incompetence and then never leaving.

Promoting people who can't do the job also has a strong negative affect.

If they don't think Flores is ready, they absolutely should be hiring from outside.

This is a fair point. It's why Pepper Johnson never elevated. Possibly Patrick Graham as well. Probably plenty of others.

Byrdbrain · Feb 5, 2018

wnyghost said:
Can some explain if Flores is a good coach?

I assume BB could if he were so inclined but I'm going to assume he isn't.
If you mean can anyone on this board do that, then no I can't imagine anyone could have much idea other than to assume that if BB has him around he must at least be pretty good.

luckiestman · Feb 5, 2018

Lombardi seemed to dismiss this post game and say it would be Flores. Don’t know if he’s changed his tune today.

Papelbon's Poutine · Feb 5, 2018

Ale Xander said:
Not a fan of the coach in waiting for Schiano. I'm certainly going to have a shorter leash with the Pats/NFL with a Schiano-led team (post Brady/JG/BB) than a McD or Flores or Patricia led one.

Stretch this out a bit...why? On all points.

LesterFan · Feb 7, 2018

Bruce Feldman @BruceFeldmanCFB 1m
Greg Schiano tells me he is staying at #OhioState contrary to reports from Monday that he was leaving for the Patriots. Big day for the Buckeyes. Schiano played a key part in landing top OT Nick Petit-Frere out of Tampa.

Boston Brawler · Feb 7, 2018

Flores must be the favorite now

Jeff Van GULLY · Feb 7, 2018

I wonder if McDaniels coming back had anything to do with him staying at Ohio St.

Maybe Schiano originally thought he would have the inside track on the HC job was his after Bill retired with McDaniels out of the way.

dcmissle · Feb 7, 2018

Or, at least, that Josh fills the gray hair vacuum the Pats thought they might need to fill.

Or that Schiano and B.B. have different ideas on how the defense should be staffed and run.

I was really looking forward to new ideas and a fresh approach. Hopefully someone else can bring these things to the table.

bsj · Feb 7, 2018

The last 2 days have gotten better and better

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