I guess the silver lining for him is that "sources" are even mentioning a return to football. Hopefully that means an otherwise normal life is not in question at this point.
It was said --- by teammates and other team sources. Not by anyone officially or by his doctorsSurgery was not necessary for him according to reports.
Edit: uhhhhh...so am I imagining things or was this said on Tuesday/Wednesday?
Fuck...What this almost definitely means is that he didn’t have a fracture that was evident on X-ray but due hsvdban unstable ligamentous injury that became apparent on mri. His stabilization surgery would be a fusion, which would leave a chance of returning to play but with significant risk. I’d frankly be surprised if he ever plays again
I think Norman would agree that nobody signed up for what Gronk did last Sunday.Wa Post had an article this morning on this. Josh Norman quotes, with the Hyman Roth "this is the business we've chosen" vibe:
“When you go out there on the field, you ask for cover and you go to work,” Norman said. “If I see a play, shoot, I’m going to get it. Consequences be the consequences.”
His smile gave way to a wince as he peeled his sweaty practice jersey over his shoulders and head.
“This is what we signed up for,” Norman said. “If you don’t want to do it, don’t play. Ain’t nobody forcing you. It’s your right.”
“See, the thing is, you only got to fuck up once. Be a little slow, be a little late, just once. And how you ain’t gonna never be slow, never be late?”What's maddening about this - and I suppose it's no different than a lot of things in life - but imagine spending the next 50 years thinking that if your head had just bee in a slightly different place or at a slightly different angle or you'd gotten there a second earlier or later, everything would be different.
Definitely, yes. This happens to football players multiple times every game but that is the thought of every person who has been in a catastrophic accident or had an tough injury. I am sure you've got a couple yourself that you lament.What's maddening about this - and I suppose it's no different than a lot of things in life - but imagine spending the next 50 years thinking that if your head had just bee in a slightly different place or at a slightly different angle or you'd gotten there a second earlier or later, everything would be different.
For sure, and InstaFace is right that it holds true for so many things in life - good and bad - but something with these stakes, something that's televised that you can go back and see for eternity, man that's rough.Definitely, yes. This happens to football players multiple times every game but that is the thought of every person who has been in a catastrophic accident or had an tough injury. I am sure you've got a couple yourself that you lament.
I know I dislocated my shoulder playing ice hockey in college. It's never been the same. If only I had turned right into the corner and not left. . . .it would have saved me decades of trouble. And that's a tiny thing, ultimately. It didn't cripple me.
Imagine if being paralyzed was the result? The mental anguish is no joke.
It may be callous, but it's true.The One That Got Away is a recurring theme throughout life, certainly. How you deal with it - whether you deal with it - is a test of character.
That said, injuries in the NFL, even permanent, life-altering injuries, are fundamental to the sport. They can be reduced but they can't be eliminated. So Norman's "business we've chosen" attitude, frankly, sounds like sense to me. You just hope you get out in one piece, and can enjoy your money, and still have your marbles 20 years later.
It's been a recurring concern among Steelers fans for a long time.It may be callous, but it's true.
Similar to the line of thought that, had Shazier not speared a guy already being tackled by a teammate, and instead made a good form tackle, he'd be playing next week.
Things can be both heartless and true.
I’ve though about this in the case of people who lose a child, particularly via suicide. We’ve had two recent ones here by HS students, including a youngwoman who threw herself off an overpass into traffic.One of the recurring themes from those who have suffered those injuries is the necessity of looking forward. I dont know how they do it.
If he's not going to play again then so be it. He's a hell of a player and it's going to suck as a Steelers fan to lose that kind of talent.It's been a recurring concern among Steelers fans for a long time.
And yeah I wonder if I had tightened my shoulder pads and been going as fast as the other guy in a supposed half speed drill in football practice if I'd have avoided 70+ dislocations, 2 surgeries, blood clots and significant quality of life impacts. But that pales against what Shazier is facing. And he's a really good kid.
Way off topic now, but did you ever read American Pastoral by Philip Roth?For sure, and InstaFace is right that it holds true for so many things in life - good and bad - but something with these stakes, something that's televised that you can go back and see for eternity, man that's rough.
And, yes, first time I broke my hand was sparring. I was done for the day and didn't bother to retighten my wraps before I hopped back in the ring last minute. Guy moved right into a hook that I didn't quite have turned over enough. And that was that. Plus, if I'd taken time off to let it heal. Seen a better surgeon so that the first operation wasn't a bust, etc. etc. But, that way madness lies.
Nah, only ever Portnoy's Complaint and that didn't inspire me to read anything else by him. Is it good, or relevant, or both?Way off topic now, but did you ever read American Pastoral by Philip Roth?
Both. The main character is kind of an All-American success story whose perfect life is destroyed by his daughter doing something terrible and he obsesses over all the things he could have done differently. You referenced "that way madness lies" and that's sort of the path he goes down. Like all the other Roth I've read, it's a self-centered first-person narrative, but it's more earned (and I like Roth) because there's a real tragedy at its core, not just "oh, people are lonely."Nah, only ever Portnoy's Complaint and that didn't inspire me to read anything else by him. Is it good, or relevant, or both?
Two women I'm close to have lost husbands within the last couple of years. Both have teen age kids. They both said that the needs and general lives of their kids helped keep them all moving forward. But they both have talked about wondering how they'd have gone on if they didn't have kids to sort of propel them. And they try not to dwell on the enormity of the empty nest ahead.I’ve though about this in the case of people who lose a child, particularly via suicide. We’ve had two recent ones here by HS students, including a youngwoman who threw herself off an overpass into traffic.
Seems to me you are presented with a choice: do we sit by and permit the whole family to be ruined, especially the lives of the siblings, or do we move on?
It's his right, but this is brave talk uninformed by experience. An elite level NFL athlete becoming a prisoner in his own body must be hell.Wa Post had an article this morning on this. Josh Norman quotes, with the Hyman Roth "this is the business we've chosen" vibe:
“When you go out there on the field, you ask for cover and you go to work,” Norman said. “If I see a play, shoot, I’m going to get it. Consequences be the consequences.”
His smile gave way to a wince as he peeled his sweaty practice jersey over his shoulders and head.
“This is what we signed up for,” Norman said. “If you don’t want to do it, don’t play. Ain’t nobody forcing you. It’s your right.”
As always with the NFL, a lot depends on any physical effects from Miami/short week.A win is a win is a win and I'll take it but our guys have no shot next week. If garbage like Huntley and Flacco are torching you well then ...
Haden pretty much took away the long ball option from other teams. His return will at least stabilize the secondary. Obviously losing Shazier at a position that was thin to begin with is something they are going to have to scheme around somehow.Yeah next week is going to be a tough lift to pull off. A healthy Shazier and Haden I'd feel a lot better about the odds, but not now. Best strategy may be to try to just grind clock themselves, figure Brady can't beat you if he's on the sidelines.
This team has a ton of talent, but the defense is a mess right now and their variability from game to game, hell from quarter to quarter and sometimes series to series, is massive.
Exactly. If someone had smacked the ball out of his hands after he crossed the plane would it have been a fumble?It actually is garbage. I’m trying to figure out how the ground can cause a fumble after the plane has already been crossed by the ball. As much as I want the Pats to win, doesn’t the ball breaking the plane initially render anything after pointless? How many dives into the EZ have the ball pop out right after when the guy hits the ground?
EDIT: IN A SITUATION WHEN YOU ARE FALLING TO THE GROUND DURING A CATCH You have to 100% control it all the way to the ground EDIT WHEREVER YOU ARE INCLUDING END ZONE OUT OF BOUNDS The Ernie Mills catch that basically won the 1995AFCCG for pitt wouldn't be a catch today.It actually is garbage. I’m trying to figure out how the ground can cause a fumble after the plane has already been crossed by the ball. As much as I want the Pats to win, doesn’t the ball breaking the plane initially render anything after pointless? How many dives into the EZ have the ball pop out right after when the guy hits the ground?
The rule is that a catch has to survive the process going to the ground no matter where it is on the field. Breaking the plane doesn’t matter. He went to the ground while attempting to secure a catch and did not survive going to the ground without the ball moving. That’s the rule.But didn’t he already get a knee and elbow down before anything moved and while crossing the plane? An elbow is two feet, right?
That play hasn't been a TD since Dez Bryant. His hand was not under the ball, he did not control it through the ground.I don’t root for either team but can tell you that after tuning into the second half today for the most NFL I’ve watched all year (Love college and love football and used to be a big NFL fan), that call pretty well epitomizes a lot of casual fans’ issues with the NFL.
That has always been and was a TD. Even the announcers, one of whom played QB last year, were like “not sure why this is taking so long.”
The player caught the ball, stretched, broke the plane. If he didn’t catch it then how was he able to bring it across the plane? Jedi Mind trick?
I didn't watch the game, but note that having two feet (or other body part) is necessary but not sufficient for a catch:But didn’t he already get a knee and elbow down before anything moved and while crossing the plane? An elbow is two feet, right?
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
- secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
- touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
- maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).