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Holy fuck, does this idiot even watch football? His list of finalists for the non-QB/RB MVP included Seattle's Aaron Curry. I like Aaron Curry, and as a Seattle fan I think he's had his moments. But he wasn't even the most impactful player on Seattle's defense (that'd probably be Chris Clemons, who gave them at least some semblance of a pass rush, or Earl Thomas, who had 75 tackles and 5 INTs), or even their best LB. Here's what John Morgan, who scouts Curry for Field Gulls, wrote about him last week:



For that matter, why the hell would you pick someone from Seattle's absolutely atrocious defense? If you had to pick someone from Seattle, why not Leon Washington, who breathed some life into the team via his excellent kick-return game. I mean, shit, they won the San Diego game pretty much because of Washington alone. Or hell, pick Okung! Even on two injured ankles he was able to deftly protect the blind side.

Fuck Gregg Easterbrook.
When I saw the Seahawks choice, I laughed. Burt is right; he's not even their best linebacker, let alone their best player (best LB is David Hawthorne by a mile). And I'd put Clemons, Thomas, Red Bryant, and even Milloy ahead of him on defense. On offense, I'd add Williams and Spencer to Okung.
 

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Attributing Sunday to his 'Football Gods'

"Since taking the field with a 18-0 record in Super Bowl XLII, just 60 minutes from perfection, the New England Patriots have not won a playoff game. In their latest postseason collapse, versus the new York Jets, New England's offense, averaging a league-best 32 points, was held to 14 points at home until a garbage-time touchdown with seconds remaining.

There are many reasons for New England's postseason woes: some specific to the Patriots, others generic to all football, one particular to a great performance by the Jets' defense. But Tuesday Morning Quarterback thinks this is the core reason: The football gods are not yet finished punishing Bill Belichick for Spygate
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I have neither the energy nor the inclination to be one of the thousands of Patriots fans who will write to him today to say some sort of variation of 'fuck you' to Easterbrook.

However, I did want to login here and say this: Fuck you, Easterbrook
 

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I assume that's tongue-in-cheek from TMQ, since he spent most of this year sucking off BB and the Pats. Of course as soon as misfortune hits he's right up front making sure he can piss all over them. Not a huge surprise, really.
 

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Well, presumably, the football gods would've known about Spygate from the start. And if it was so bad, why didn't they stop the Pats from winning ANY Super Bowls?

Oh, wait, Easterbrook is just being an idiot.
 

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Apparently, the "football gods" are more put off by a head coach that orders an assistant to tape the other team's defensive signals but who admits to it when caught than a head coach who is a toe-sucking, wife-swapping fat pervert who orders an assistant to create a wall to impede the progress of another team's special teams player and then sells the assistant out when caught.

They also seem to be pretty cool with date rapists.

Them football gods have an odd sense of justice.

The only argument that can be made for the existence of the "football gods" will be if the Bears win it all, because by going all out in their last "meaningless" game of the regular season, they did something that most people would claim would be pleasing to the 'football gods".
 

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Apparently, the "football gods" are more put off by a head coach that orders an assistant to tape the other team's defensive signals but who admits to it when caught than a head coach who is a toe-sucking, wife-swapping fat pervert who orders an assistant to create a wall to impede the progress of another team's special teams player and then sells the assistant out when caught.

They also seem to be pretty cool with date rapists.

Them football gods have an odd sense of justice.

The only argument that can be made for the existence of the "football gods" will be if the Bears win it all, because by going all out in their last "meaningless" game of the regular season, they did something that most people would claim would be pleasing to the 'football gods".
I take it you're not over the loss?

The bottom line is Easterbrook is interested in writing goofy entertainment with a dash of football analysis; he has a bunch of routines in the can about blitzing, going for it on fourth and short, the Pats' bad manners, how good undrafted free agents and castoffs are, etc. that he works in there because, well, he needs to use those routines to complete his prolix column by Tuesday AM.
 

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TMQ is the biggest assclown in the world. In his festival of douchebaggery today, he made fun of preseason predictions that turned out inaccurately. In addition to being a ridiculous exercise generally, he includes this gem:

None of USA Today's eight preseason predictions had Pittsburgh reaching the Super Bowl. Three USA Today predictors forecast Mike Singletary as coach of the year, one forecast Wade Phillips as coach of the year; both were fired.

What a bunch of idiots!!!! They thought the Ravens or Chargers would be in the Super Bowl and they weren't!!! Amazing insight!!1111!!!

Unfortunately for Gregggg, he links to their actual predictions... in which 5 of those 8 predictions correctly forecast the Packers winning the Super Bowl.


Screw you, TMQ.
 

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TMQ is the biggest assclown in the world. In his festival of douchebaggery today, he made fun of preseason predictions that turned out inaccurately. In addition to being a ridiculous exercise generally, he includes this gem:

Screw you, TMQ.
He mocks Chris Carter for saying Dwayne Bowe would be breakout player of the year because Bowe has no receptions in the playoff game. Of course Bowe had a 72 reception 1162 years 15 touchdown regular season, which counts as a breakout year to me.
 

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Yeah, this predictions column was worse than usual. There's no humor, really, or fun. It's just a list of how wrong people were. What's the point?

And it's so nit-picky as to not even prove a point. I thought the worst one was his item on Dwayne Bowe:

Cris Carter predicted Dwayne Bowe would be the "breakout" player of the year. Perhaps he meant to say "shutout," as Bowe had no receptions in Kansas City's home playoff loss.
Really? Dwayne Bowe pretty much was the breakout player of the year. In one stretch, he had 11 touchdowns in 7 games. He put up 15 TDs (never more than 7 in any other season) and 1162 yards. He averaged 16.1 Yards per Catch. Then his quarterback got eaten alive by a defense that outclassed him horribly. What was Bowe supposed to do? He's a deep-threat outside receiver and Cassel had about half a second to throw the ball at any point. That's just stupid.

Not to mention, he rips on Peter King for all of his wrong predictions and can't even be bothered to mention that he, well, predicted the two teams in the Super Bowl? Again, what's the point here exactly?
 

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Deadspin tears Easterbrook a new poo poo hole, FJM-style (with monocole'd photo to boot), for his nauseatingly pontificatory column chastising Obama for filling out his bracket this year. Even if you dislike Obama, Easterbrook is a blowhard who deserves to be mocked.


For the president, or anyone, to set aside a little time to watch, play or think about sports is a healthy diversion.
  • Which is what the president did when he filled out a completely half-assed bracket. So again, why the fuck are we still discussing this?
Some Americans become sports addicts, which is not good.
  • Seriously, this is a fucking sixth grader's paper. It may as well be written in crayon.
Devoting a little of each day to sports is relaxing.
  • Oh, thanks for that heads up, Mr. Secretary of Sports and Leisure.
 

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Surprisingly not a bad review by TMQ on the labor situation:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/110426_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl


The NFL players and owners can't possibly be foolish enough to kill a goose that lays $10 billion worth of golden eggs each year, can they?

Don't answer that!

As the historian Barbara Tuchman wrote, human history reflects a "march of folly" -- people and institutions go out of their way to do that which sabotages their own interests.

Probably the NFL dispute will be resolved; Monday's initial legal win for the players increases pressure on the league to improve its offer. But folly, clearly, is on the march.

Here is the core element of the folly: Under the 2006 collective bargaining agreement, the one canceled by NFL owners to trigger the current dispute, everything was fine. In each year of that agreement, ratings, attendance and merchandise sales hit record highs. In each year, players' pay and owners' revenue hit record highs. Now both sides are risking the creation of public contempt for the NFL -- even though everything was fine.

This, indeed, Tuchman would have called folly.

The previous agreement had room for improvement, of course. Health benefits for former players were poor. Bonuses for first-round draft choices were getting out of hand. But a routine negotiation could have handled such matters. There was no need for the owners and players to engage in a public meltdown that may damage both their interests.
 

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So refreshing to know that he doesn't need to write like an ass all the time. Skadoosh! The first Easterbrook sportswriting in years I've enjoyed.
 

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So refreshing to know that he doesn't need to write like an ass all the time. Skadoosh! The first Easterbrook sportswriting in years I've enjoyed.
Agreed. The only grossly stupid thing is the sniping at the the NFL and Players for using taxpayer subsidized courts to resolve their disputes. A fairly reliable court system for resolving civil disputes is a pretty important part of a modern economy and civilization.
 

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Draft review time! From the department of don't let conflicting facts get in the way of a good rant:

Through first-round trade-downs and banking of its choices, New England has exercised nine second-round selections in the past three years -- triple the expected number.
Coming into this year's draft, Belichick had stockpiled double picks in the first, second and third rounds, an incredibly bounty. Then he traded out of the first and second rounds in order to stockpile selections for 2012. Now the Flying Elvii go into the 2012 draft with a bonanza of extra choices -- just like they went into the 2010 and 2011 drafts, only to defer the picks to the future. Will Belichick ever actually use his extra choices? He just keeps squirreling away and saving.
So which is it, Greggggg, have they used up the bounty, or have they just traded it all to the future?

Fucking horribly lazy analysis. (Yeah yeah, I know it is his schtick, and that's fine. But for someone who prides himself on his ability to see things and put 2 and 2 together, this is painfully obtuse).
 

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The other comment about using extra picks is that the Pats started the draft with 9 picks, and made 9 picks. And ended up with another first round next year
 

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My favorite part is this...

Cleveland Browns: Peyton Hillis is about to become well-known via his selection as cover boy for "Madden 2012." Hillis aside, what Cleveland Browns starter can you name? My point exactly. In 2009 and again this April, the Browns traded down from high-profile selections at the top of the draft to stockpile no-names. The team is now well-stocked with no-names. With Houston suddenly making the scoreboard spin, the Browns are poised to supplant the Texans as the NFL's dullest team. Courtesy of the Julio Jones trade, the Browns have two first-round choices next year. TMQ says don't trade either -- use both on impact players.



Mr. Undrafted Free Agents, Workmen nobody knows, Blue collar players win games and spoiled big name draftees like Michael Crabtree ruin them is criticizing the Browns for not drafting Big Name Players early in the draft.
 

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Plus, are there football fans (at least big enough fans to read TMQ) out there who couldn't name Joe Thomas, Colt McCoy, or Josh Cribbs?

I mean, their defense's biggest name is probably Shaun Rogers (now a Saint) or Chris Gocong (if you know Eagles fans), so he has a point there, but I don't even follow college football and I know who Colt Fucking McCoy is.
 

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Draft review time! From the department of don't let conflicting facts get in the way of a good rant:





So which is it, Greggggg, have they used up the bounty, or have they just traded it all to the future?

Fucking horribly lazy analysis. (Yeah yeah, I know it is his schtick, and that's fine. But for someone who prides himself on his ability to see things and put 2 and 2 together, this is painfully obtuse).
He also rips them for how they've drafted because of the first and second round picks they used in 2009 and 2011 only Gronk and Vollmer "are the only clear successes at starters."

How about DMC?
 

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He also rips them for how they've drafted because of the first and second round picks they used in 2009 and 2011 only Gronk and Vollmer "are the only clear successes at starters."

How about DMC?
On that point he was talking only about second rounders.

Through first-round trade-downs and banking of its choices, New England has exercised nine second-round selections in the past three years -- triple the expected number. The result? Rob Gronkowski and Sebastian Vollmer are the only clear successes as starters. A couple of others are promising, and this year's selections have yet to tape their ankles.
It is misleading though, implying they've gone 2 for 9 with second round draft picks when of course it's premature to draw any conclusions from last year's picks (and absurdly so on the guys they drafted last week). The worst you can say is that right now, it looks like Butler and Brace might not work out.
 

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On that point he was talking only about second rounders.



It is misleading though, implying they've gone 2 for 9 with second round draft picks when of course it's premature to draw any conclusions from last year's picks (and absurdly so on the guys they drafted last week). The worst you can say is that right now, it looks like Butler and Brace might not work out.
DOH. Reading is fundamental.

But yes even if you grant him Butler and Brace, an argument that says Cunningham, Spikes, Dowling, Vereen and Chung are bad picks has some serious problems.
 

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Draft review time! From the department of don't let conflicting facts get in the way of a good rant:





So which is it, Greggggg, have they used up the bounty, or have they just traded it all to the future?

Fucking horribly lazy analysis. (Yeah yeah, I know it is his schtick, and that's fine. But for someone who prides himself on his ability to see things and put 2 and 2 together, this is painfully obtuse).
I seriously do not understand why this is so complicated for these writers. Every year there is opportunity to trade a first round pick for a next years first and a second round pick ( or an early third). Therefore a single first round pick can be traded for a lifetime of extra second or third round picks, if you maintain self-control and never use the extra number one to draft a player. Is it really possible that nobody but BB is that disciplined?
 

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New post today on helmet safety, and not a bad read:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook-110719_virginia_tech_helmet_study&sportCat=nfl
 

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I don't hate TMQ like many here. I enjoy a lot of his writing, and I brush off the Pats comments without much of a thought. However, I thought his extended Chronicles of Narnia metaphor for Peyton Manning's injury was one of the strangest things I've ever read. I'm not sure what he was going for (poetic? Whimsical?) but I think he missed his intended tone by a few furlongs. If he was going for a bit of humor, that'd be one thing, but a few jokes aside I think he's making a genuine comparison.
 

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I don't hate TMQ like many here. I enjoy a lot of his writing, and I brush off the Pats comments without much of a thought. However, I thought his extended Chronicles of Narnia metaphor for Peyton Manning's injury was one of the strangest things I've ever read. I'm not sure what he was going for (poetic? Whimsical?) but I think he missed his intended tone by a few furlongs. If he was going for a bit of humor, that'd be one thing, but a few jokes aside I think he's making a genuine comparison.

At the risk of dipping my toes into tin-hat territory, my first thought after the first paragraph was this:

Easterbrook wrote: So begins the final book of "The Chronicles of Narnia" -- a volume that's unlikely to become a big-budget Hollywood movie"

---Narnia is widely seen as serious Christian allegory;
---Easterbrook gained some notoriety for his 'Hollywood Jews worship money above all else' commentary when 'Kill Bill' came out;

so....

"Hollywood (read: Jews) wont make a movie about Christianity"


I think that's what he was going for.
 

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At the risk of dipping my toes into tin-hat territory, my first thought after the first paragraph was this:

Easterbrook wrote: So begins the final book of "The Chronicles of Narnia" -- a volume that's unlikely to become a big-budget Hollywood movie"

---Narnia is widely seen as serious Christian allegory;
---Easterbrook gained some notoriety for his 'Hollywood Jews worship money above all else' commentary when 'Kill Bill' came out;

so....

"Hollywood (read: Jews) wont make a movie about Christianity"


I think that's what he was going for.
I didn't like the analogy because it was awkward and strange and actually (nerd alert!) not at all accurate to the Narnia books anyway. For example, this:

So begins the final book of "The Chronicles of Narnia" -- a volume that's unlikely to become a big-budget Hollywood movie, since all the children and the cute talking animals are slaughtered by a hideous demon named Tash. Which sounds a little like Texans.
Is not actually what happens.

But I don't think he was saying the Jews aren't going to allow The Last Battle to be made because it's a Christian Allegory. He's saying any movie where the main characters enter the afterlife because of their real-world deaths (the Pevensie children die in a train crash in England, in the book, thus entering Aslan's country) has no marketing appeal whatsoever.
 

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At the risk of dipping my toes into tin-hat territory, my first thought after the first paragraph was this:

Easterbrook wrote: So begins the final book of "The Chronicles of Narnia" -- a volume that's unlikely to become a big-budget Hollywood movie"

---Narnia is widely seen as serious Christian allegory;
---Easterbrook gained some notoriety for his 'Hollywood Jews worship money above all else' commentary when 'Kill Bill' came out;

so....

"Hollywood (read: Jews) wont make a movie about Christianity"


I think that's what he was going for.
I doubt very much where this was where he was going. Have you read the final book? Unlike the other books, it's not exactly one with a cheerful ending where all becomes well with the world. It was really instead an attempt by C.S. Lewis to close out the Narnia series with an ending that is high in symbolism. While it's a good read (IMHO), it's hardly mass market movie material like the other stories.

A far more accurate statement is that he is likely hinting that we may very well be seeing, or have already seen, the conclusion of Manning's career. Narnia itself doesn't really go out with a big bang, but instead more of a whimper (whimper's not really the best word, but I'm struggling to come up with something better). If Manning has indeed played his last game, there does seem to be some merit to the analogy.

OTOH, claiming racism or bigotry in a sentence where none exists or is even implied is ridiculous.
 

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My real issue with TMQ tis week is his Randy Moss bit. I think there might be a legit argument both for and against Moss' inclusion for the HoF, and TMQ addresses both sides of the issue, so that doesn't bother me. But the sloppy and incoherent reasoning he uses at the end is just terrible:

When the pressure was on, Moss often took the game off. His teams were 112-96 during the regular season but just 6-6 in the playoffs. The 1998 Vikings and 2007 Flying Elvii combined to go 31-1 in the regular season, 3-2 in the postseason. In the Vikes' 41-0 loss to Jersey/A in the 2001 NFC championship, Moss was dogging it by the early second quarter -- not blocking, not bothering to run out routes. A player who tries and fails can make the Hall of Fame. Moss often didn't try.
Three rejoinders:

A) 112-96 is a .538 winning percentage. Going 6-6 over 12 games isn't an undue aberration at all for a .538 team, particularly against the better opposition that the playoffs provide. Small sample size issues at work here, nothing more. There's nothing to see in this point. Hell, Peyton Manning is 9-10 in the postseason despite being 141-67 in the regular season. He must've taken the game off when the pressure was on!

B) So somehow TMQ assumes Moss is to blame for both Gary Anderson missing a FG that would have put the Vikings into the Super Bowl AND for David Tyree's helmet catch. In the 1998 NFCCG Moss had 6 catches for 75 yards and a TD. On Black Sunday he had 5 catches for 62 yards and the go ahead TD with 95 seconds to go. Saying Moss played on both of those teams as a knock against his Hall chances is ponderous.

C) Finally, the mention of the infamous 41-0 game, certainly the game considered to be the nadir of Moss' career. Always to be held against him, always to be mentioned at once. There's no defending his lack of effort in that game, but the Vikings weren't winning that game no matter what he did AND he rebounded to have a fantastic career after that. It's a low point to be considered, not some sort of overarching summary of his career. It might bear noting that Peyton Manning also lost a playoff game 41-0 and Joe Montana lost a playoff game 49-3, in the midst of a four year span where he didn't win any playoff games.

You want to make an argument against Moss for the HoF? Be my guest. Point out not bothering to play hard in Oakland, or the pathetic way he ended his career last year. Hell, I think TMQ unduly minimized the legal issues Moss has had over the years; he hit a cop with his car for crissakes. But the specious reasoning TMQ offers in this bit above is below his standards and not worthy of serious merit.
 

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In fairness, I think we should acknowledge that Easterbrook seemingly got a little bit off his high horse regarding the Pats this week. His Pats excerpt:

Monday Night Doubleheader, New England at Miami: The Patriots ran an homage to Oregon's Blur Offense, using a very fast pace with less than 20 seconds between snaps. There were no sideline poster boards with pictures of celebrities and Kermit the Frog, so it wasn't clear how New England signaled in such rapid no-huddle plays. But the pace got to the Dolphins, who seemed confused and winded, despite more familiarity with Florida humidity than their Massachusetts visitors. In the third quarter, the game's decisive quarter, the Dolphins called a timeout on defense just to catch their breath.

A Blur Offense has two goals. The first is to tire and confuse the defense, and this worked: New England gained a spectacular 622 yards. The second is to snap the ball more often than the opponent. This actually didn't work: Miami ran more total plays than the Flying Elvii. But when one of your plays goes for 99 yards, the total-plays equation drops in significance.

For much of the contest, New England was in an empty-backfield set, which requires perfect line play, since there's no back for blitz pickups. The Patriots' blocking was near-perfect -- Tom Brady having a clean uniform was essential to New England's 2007 points-record season. Rookie tackle Nate Solder not only had a great game, he used the "syrup" move TMQ wishes more offensive linemen were coached to employ. After knocking his man flat, Solder would lay on top of him, so his man could not leap back up and rejoin the action. (Putting syrup on the pancake.)

In an opening weekend that showcased tight ends, New England's double TE monster of Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez combined for 15 catches, 189 yards and two touchdowns. When most teams go five-wide, they bring the tight ends off the field and send in skinny guys. Much of the time when New England was five-wide, both tight ends were on the field. Twenty-five years after the run-and-shoot seemed to exhaust every possibility, Bill Belichick still comes up with new wrinkles.

Early in the contest, Wes Welker, master of the 12-yard curl, surprised the Miami secondary by going deep. Didn't the Miami coaches notice? Welker's 21-yard reception in the first quarter came on an out-and-up. Now it's the fourth quarter, New England leading 31-17 with possession on its own 1 -- after a terribly shaggy failed fade by Miami on fourth-and-goal from the 1. (Can't anybody run up the middle anymore?) The Patriots line up shotgun, empty backfield. You know Belichick will try this, just to show off! The Dolphins big-blitz, and Welker runs an out-and-up. Miami seems surprised -- but he'd already done this in the game. The "slow" Welker toasted nickelback Benny Sapp, but where were the Miami safeties? Welker's 99-yard jaunt lasted 13 seconds, and in that time, no Miami safety even came close to him. The "slow" Welker outsprinted the entire Dolphins defense.

And so the big mystery of the regular-versus-postseason Flying Elvii continues: New England is on a 52-13 streak in the regular season, and a 2-3 streak in the playoffs.
Bolded emphasis mine. These are mostly extremely positive comments. Even the "You know Belichick will try this, just to show off!" comment seemed completely tongue in cheek. And his last sentence, in prior columns he would have mentioned Spygate and all that nonsense, but he didn't here. He also missed that the Pats are actually on an 0-3 streak in the playoffs (although he is correct that in the time they are 52-13 in the regular season, they are 2-3 in the playoffs - so he didn't actually manipulate the data to his advantage).

Maybe, just maybe... he is done with Spygate?
 

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In fairness, I think we should acknowledge that Easterbrook seemingly got a little bit off his high horse regarding the Pats this week. His Pats excerpt:

Bolded emphasis mine. These are mostly extremely positive comments. Even the "You know Belichick will try this, just to show off!" comment seemed completely tongue in cheek. And his last sentence, in prior columns he would have mentioned Spygate and all that nonsense, but he didn't here. He also missed that the Pats are actually on an 0-3 streak in the playoffs (although he is correct that in the time they are 52-13 in the regular season, they are 2-3 in the playoffs - so he didn't actually manipulate the data to his advantage).

Maybe, just maybe... he is done with Spygate?
TMQ has often been laudatory of the Pats in his weekly articles. This is no surprise; when the Pats innovate he's often all over them mentioning it. He tends to play the game recaps straight; it's the silly moral stuff that he gets all worked up about.

He'll never, ever be done with Spygate. Put your mind to rest on that issue at once. Never.
 

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I doubt very much where this was where he was going. Have you read the final book? Unlike the other books, it's not exactly one with a cheerful ending where all becomes well with the world. It was really instead an attempt by C.S. Lewis to close out the Narnia series with an ending that is high in symbolism. While it's a good read (IMHO), it's hardly mass market movie material like the other stories.

A far more accurate statement is that he is likely hinting that we may very well be seeing, or have already seen, the conclusion of Manning's career. Narnia itself doesn't really go out with a big bang, but instead more of a whimper (whimper's not really the best word, but I'm struggling to come up with something better). If Manning has indeed played his last game, there does seem to be some merit to the analogy.

OTOH, claiming racism or bigotry in a sentence where none exists or is even implied is ridiculous.

I've read none of the books. But I'm aware of the discussion re Christianity. And I've read Easterbrook's Kill Bill analysis. I dont think my implication is without basis, but YMMV. And whether he likes it or not, anytime that Easterbrook uses the phrase "Hollywood would never . . . " he does so with his prior baggage in tow. For me the "implication" comes from Easterbrook's own prior work.

But I don't think he was saying the Jews aren't going to allow The Last Battle to be made because it's a Christian Allegory. He's saying any movie where the main characters enter the afterlife because of their real-world deaths (the Pevensie children die in a train crash in England, in the book, thus entering Aslan's country) has no marketing appeal whatsoever.
IOW....there's no money in it.

Easterbrook has had occasional insights into foootball that I have found valuable. But he's a putz.
 

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I don't have a hate boner for TMQ like a lot of other Pats fans do, but man, the opening of this week's column about the rise of women in higher ed vs. the rise of youth football is *awful*.

Firstly, it's the worst kind of fallacious using a correlation to imply a causation, there are almost no numbers cited to even try and back up his assertion, and then he tacks on a little weasel paragraph at the end about how this is just "one of many factors" that proves even he doesn't buy the bullshit he's selling.

I like the football parts of things, but even for his general issue of questionable Gladwell/Freakonomics type writing, that opener was miserable.
 

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Was going to post the same. It sounds like the lead on the 11pm news

"Is Football making men dumber, or are women just naturally smarter? You decide, at 11!"
 

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Damn, that was awful, awful writing.

He's obviously never heard of "coincidence vs. causation."

In next week's TMQ he's going to write seven paragraphs about car accident rates being higher at night. It will be called "The Moon Causes Cars to Crash!"
 
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I like the football parts of things, but even for his general issue of questionable Gladwell/Freakonomics type writing, that opener was miserable.
Hey now, don't you dare lump a great academic who actually knows the scientific method, like Steven Levitt, in with journalistic hacks like Gladwell and Easterbrook.

(I agree with your larger point, I'm a huge TMQ fan and even I was skimming by the 4th paragraph of that rant)

(for those who share an annoyance with Gladwell, click here)
 

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Hey now, don't you dare lump a great academic who actually knows the scientific method, like Steven Levitt, in with journalistic hacks like Gladwell and Easterbrook.

(I agree with your larger point, I'm a huge TMQ fan and even I was skimming by the 4th paragraph of that rant)

(for those who share an annoyance with Gladwell, click here)
Fair enough, I'm mainly familiar with the whole Freakonomics thing via their blog rather than the books, and the blog is probably more flip/less sourced/researched because that's the nature of the beast.
 

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Hey now, don't you dare lump a great academic who actually knows the scientific method, like Steven Levitt, in with journalistic hacks like Gladwell and Easterbrook.

(I agree with your larger point, I'm a huge TMQ fan and even I was skimming by the 4th paragraph of that rant)

(for those who share an annoyance with Gladwell, click here)
Sadly, though, Superfreakonomics was a hack-tastic book, notably on climate change.
 

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I'm actually surprised nobody caught this.
This column has had two weeks of reader commentary on the best solution to the problem faced by Oklahoma State on the final snap against Texas A&M. The Cowboys led by three with five seconds remaining and faced fourth-and-long at midfield; they had a player deliberately sprint backward into his end zone, surrendering two points on the safety while exhausting the clock. But what if zebras had whistled him down for failing to try to advance the ball? The solution, readers agreed, would have been for Oklahoma State to launch a high arcing pass through and out of the Aggies' end zone. The clock would not stop until the ball touched something out-of-bounds -- surely that would take more than five seconds.



Reader Brad Richardson of Burlington, Kan., "Heave-hoeing a pass out of the opponents' end zone, could this be considered intentional grounding?" It could. If the defense declined the penalty, the game would end. If the defense accepted the penalty, 10 yards would be marked off and the offense given one untimed down. The offense would kneel, and the game would end. So even if the deliberate throw out of the opponent's end zone on the final snap were intentional grounding, the team making the throw still is certain to win. There's no point to a flag.
So, on 4th down, up 3, with 5 seconds left, he says intentional grounding wouldn't matter. He imagines that even if the defense accepted the penalty, the offense would just have 4th down once again, with no time on the clock, minus 10 yards. I think he ignores the whole Loss of Down. So, fourth and long at midfield, intentionally grounding the ball should penalize them 10 yards, putting the ball back at the 40, and then giving a change of possession with one untimed play left (possibility of a booming field goal or hail mary) for the trailing team. It's funny that he's lecturing that that is how you should have done it, but, you know, got the rule painfully, obviously wrong.
 

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Todays comments include:

Last week I supposed that ever-more boys spending ever-more time on football may be one (of many) reasons women are doing so much better in college than men. Sean McIntire of Los Angeles writes, "Your argument regarding football holding back males from the grades necessary for college admission is correct, but it's not tackle football, the problem lies with too much Madden football. I'm a high school teacher, I see the disparity between the achievement of male and female students. I believe boys spend too much time playing "Madden" and many other video games. This is what is causing them to not achieve in high school."
So not only is it real football making boys dumber, it's also virtual football. It has nothing to do with anything else.
 

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Do you think TMQ knows he used a picture today of Val Kilmer instead of the real Doc Holliday? The caption calls him Doc Holliday, the article doesn't mention Kilmer. The photo credit is to Cinergi Pictures Entertainment.