2016 Broncos Thread: Elway or the Highway
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Considering they could have tendered him at the 2nd round tender and only a little more than than the low round tender and no one would have given an offer sheet.
Good point, Elway screwed this one up pretty bad. What is the difference in terms of $ / cap hit?
2nd round tender is 2.553 mil. this year. I don't know how CJ's contract is structured for this year's number, but the AAV is 4.5, so it essentially cost the Broncos an extra $2 million and some guaranteed money.
Between this and not carrying the 2015 cap room over, Elway has essentially wasted $5 million that he didn't have to.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/25/broncos-rams-saints-opt-not-to-carry-over-all-cap-space/
They carried over $3.3 million and left $267,088 behind.
They carried over $3.3 million and left $267,088 behind.
Sounds like Okung to Denver per Schefter
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 5m5 minutes ago
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This would enable Denver to be able to trade OT Ryan Clady...
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Sources tell me that OT Russell Okung is close to finalizing a 5-year deal with the Denver #Broncos worth $10.6M per year.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 5m5 minutes ago
Adam Schefter Retweeted Josina Anderson
This would enable Denver to be able to trade OT Ryan Clady...
Adam Schefter added,
Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson
Sources tell me that OT Russell Okung is close to finalizing a 5-year deal with the Denver #Broncos worth $10.6M per year.
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For those who are following this closely, are they really going with Sanchez? Or is there some other trick up their sleeve I'm unaware of?
Clady is coming off his second major injury and due $10 million. I don't see any takers for that. Wishful thinking
Its an overpayment indeed and why waste the money on Okung when you have no franchise QB to protect.
Okung's deal is really only $5M guaranteed with some bonuses and an option to trigger 4 more years at top pay. Perfect for Denver's current cap situation (2016 is tight, next year and beyond are much less so).
Clady can be cut now for a $600K cap hit or after 6/1 with zero cap hit. If he's willing to rework his deal, he can likely be traded for a late round pick.
Okung has his own checkered injury past, but nothing like Clady's ACL.
Thumbs up. assuming there are no big injuries, this is a big step up from the professional turnstile that started at LT last year.
If/when they ditch Clady they can add another QB potentially (Kaep still possible at the right terms). Elway can also cut punter Colquitt to save another chunk of needed.
Clady can be cut now for a $600K cap hit or after 6/1 with zero cap hit. If he's willing to rework his deal, he can likely be traded for a late round pick.
Okung has his own checkered injury past, but nothing like Clady's ACL.
Thumbs up. assuming there are no big injuries, this is a big step up from the professional turnstile that started at LT last year.
If/when they ditch Clady they can add another QB potentially (Kaep still possible at the right terms). Elway can also cut punter Colquitt to save another chunk of needed.
I have no informed opinion on the cost, but protecting the QB is a hugely important part of the game whether the QB is franchise or not. It may even be possible to win a Super Bowl with a below average QB if you have a good defense and O-line.
Okung should help the run game significantly too. Although he will need to be careful Sanchez doesn't run up his asshole.
That's a fair deal for Denver, but mostly because I think Okung stinks. It's very unlikely that 4-year option will get picked up.
I'd take him in a cocaine heartbeat over Cannon, though, and they make about the same this season.
I'd take him in a cocaine heartbeat over Cannon, though, and they make about the same this season.
You might have jumped the gun on that one ... Oh wait ... Thats also something Okung does frequently
The details of the deal are much better than the initial reports. $5 million with incentives makes sense and is fair value. 10+ for multiple years, as originally reported, is not
If Clady is willing to restructure, there's no point in doing so until he becomes a free agent where he would have multiple options. If he isn't, no team will trade for that contract and injury history.
In short, he will be cut
Considering none of his deal is guaranteed, Denver will have a few months to decide if he's healthy enough to keep around.
(Might have been better to pay an agent, Russ)
There are teams still trying to reach the salary cap floor who might want him and don't want to have to bid for him after he's cut. We'll see. Even if he is traded, it won't big much coming back.
It looks like they prefer Sambrailo at Guard going forward, but last year he was plan B when Clady went down (and then he got hurt too and Plan C was Schoefiled). They might follow the same course, or look at Schofield again or maybe they're going to draft a Tackle. As of now Clady is still a Bronco, too. Too early to tell.
It remains to be seen, doesn't it? It definitely will require some changes to ZBS run blocking, but in general I think it's a fine rule change and likely overdue. Just too dangerous.
i think denver is a 8-8 football team next year QB is a major downgrade idk if the O-Line will stay healthy d will silp some
but in 2017 72 mil of cap room with a option to save about 15 more mil off means that with Von mega deal denver should have at least 55-60 mil to spend
it means if elway hits the draft like 11 and 12 denver will still be around
but in 2017 72 mil of cap room with a option to save about 15 more mil off means that with Von mega deal denver should have at least 55-60 mil to spend
it means if elway hits the draft like 11 and 12 denver will still be around
Disagree QB is a major downgrade for the season as a whole. Manning the worst QB in the league for half a season. Osweiller was better but, what, below average in the aggregate? The position obviously sucks right now, but its still reasonably possible Denver gets better QB play next year and it's hard to downgrade from what they got from Manning last year in the regular season
Yup, they ran on a 3rd and 8 late in the super bowl when they just needed to run things out because they didn't trust their broken down quarterback. The bar is low.
KUSA—The Denver Broncos interest in Colin Kaepernick can now be qualified as serious.
An NFL source confirmed to 9news that Broncos general manager John Elway met Thursday in Denver with Kaepernick, who is currently the San Francisco 49ers’ quarterback. It was the second meeting in two weeks between Elway and Kaepernick.
https://control.kochava.com/v1/cpi/click?campaign_id=kogeek-ios54bde01424017cdb8b911feccf&network_id=235&action_id=12567&click_id=217035_57000a49f16d6_16040220&device_id=&device_id_type=idfa&mac=&odid=&odin=&openudid=&site_id=217035&subsite_id=1561&udid=
An NFL source confirmed to 9news that Broncos general manager John Elway met Thursday in Denver with Kaepernick, who is currently the San Francisco 49ers’ quarterback. It was the second meeting in two weeks between Elway and Kaepernick.
https://control.kochava.com/v1/cpi/click?campaign_id=kogeek-ios54bde01424017cdb8b911feccf&network_id=235&action_id=12567&click_id=217035_57000a49f16d6_16040220&device_id=&device_id_type=idfa&mac=&odid=&odin=&openudid=&site_id=217035&subsite_id=1561&udid=
The link to that story wouldn't work on my phone so apologies if this is covered in the full piece but... Elway is now allowed to openly meet with players under contract with another team? That's cool
He would have to in order to join Denver. Denver has less than $2 million of cap space left. They need to maneuver some space to make it happen and Kaep would have to lower his base salary by putting in more bonuses and incentives.
San Francisco and Denver have the parameters of an agreement in principle on a trade for Colin Kaepernick, sources said, but before any deal can be completed, the quarterback and the Broncos still have to agree on a restructured contract, and the two sides have not been close.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15119847/san-francisco-49ers-denver-broncos-progressing-trade-colin-kaepernick
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15119847/san-francisco-49ers-denver-broncos-progressing-trade-colin-kaepernick
Benjamin Albright is pretty tied into things with the Broncos. He's been ahead of this story all along. Here is his latest tweet regarding Kaepernick and the Broncos.
Which is why I don't think it'll happen.
I suppose Denver can use a higher draft pick to entice San Fran to pay the difference. Would that be allowed? They would essentially be buying extra cap room with a pick
That wouldn't help the Kaep situation. It's actually not that hard to create space for him because they can just release Ryan Clady and that would take care of the problem as long as Kaep restructured.
Yes it would help this situation if it's allowed and both teams are willing.
Your use of "restructure" is code for pay cut if the reports are accurate. It's not just that Denver wants to push some salary to a future year, lowering his cap hit this year while he still collects the full amount one way or another. The reports suggest Denver doesn't want to pay him his full salary.
Wow, that's sorta ballsy by the Broncos. And wasn't his contract panned for being outrageous...but then when the parameters were released, it actually looked like a bad deal for him?
How so? With limited cap space and a player he feels can be his starter, this all seems like Elway is trying to ensure the team has a starter not named Mark Sanchez. If Elway is able to get Kaep to restructure, everyone wins.
If all GM's do this every year, how is Elway entitled?
If all GM's do this every year, how is Elway entitled?
Replacing the putrid production by Peyton with Kaepernick means it'll most likely be a lateral move (Kaepernick was 35th in DYAR with Manning just behind at 36th, for example).
If they're going for the bottom of the QB barrel, why not save millions of cap space and sign Hoyer? As awful as Hoyer looked at times last year, it was still miles (well, yards) better than Kaep.
If they're going for the bottom of the QB barrel, why not save millions of cap space and sign Hoyer? As awful as Hoyer looked at times last year, it was still miles (well, yards) better than Kaep.
Kap had 1 1/2 good years, taking SF to the Super Bowl in the second one, while he's been lousy most of the rest of the time. Maybe the two ex-quarterbacks in Denver, Kubiak and Elway, think they can help him recapture the higher level of play. Hoyer is just a forever journeyman and they surely think nobody will ever go a long way with him. Denver is also playing with house money, having just (ugh) won that big game, what's it called?
They are playing with house money, and the Kap move strikes me as little risk with huge potential upside. If Elway and Kubiak think they can fix him, who here is qualified to emphatically disagree with that? If they are right, Broncos will be right back near the top of the heap.
No he's not taking a pay cut. When I say restructure, I mean he has to convert some of his base salary into bonuses and incentives to lower his cap hit.