Super Bowl L: Who you got (and by how much)?
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I just feel like the Panthers are so much more complete a team than the Seahawks were 2 years ago, and the Broncos are not nearly as good
Big Ben was 24/36 and 339 yards, which doesn't include some big DPI yardage. He averaged 9.2 yards per pass, the highest Denver allowed in any game all season. This was without their star wide receiver and without having any semblance of a running game. Denver kept them to only 16 points by coming up with key plays in big moments (holding them to field goals, stopping them on 4th-and-1, forcing a game changing turnover) but when you look at the stats, I think it's hard to say that their strategy greatly slowed down the Pittsburgh passing attack.
I'm sure they'll be ready and I'm sure Son of Bum will have a solid gameplan, but going off of two games where they didn't need to worry about the run whatsoever is an entirely different animal than game planning against Carolina, who can beat you through both the air and on the ground. They just put up 80 points against two of the best defenses in football. Needless to say, they present a lot of problems for a defense. Should be a great match-up to watch on that side of the ball.
Edit: Yeah, they didn't really put up 80 points on offense as they had two pick-sixes. Still, 66 points against those defenses is very impressive. Even with the million turnovers they forced Palmer into.
I continue to be staggered by how I thought the best team in the NFC South was the Falcons, not the Panthers, through Week 4. Look at what Carolina did in the first four weeks: Newton threw for less than 200 yards in three of those games, and three of the four were "either/or" games (TM Simmons) against the Jags, Texans and Saints, the fourth being down to Jameis Winston's early-season hideousness (4 INTs). The Falcons, meanwhile, had swept 3/4 of the NFC East - when that seemed a worthy achievement - and then took a 42-0 lead on the Texans. Since then, the only worthwhile thing the Falcons have done is defeated the Panthers...while somehow the Panthers became one of the best teams in NFL history. How did this happen?
Carolina 38
Denver 10
Know what dawned on me the other day while I was sitting in Sports Authority Field watching the horror unfold?
Denver is trying to buy a championship. The number of FAs on both sides of the ball that they've tried to sew together into a dominant team is so apparent I'm shocked I never noticed how extensive it was before sitting in the stands on Sunday.
It was miraculous watching the Patriots and their seemingly 90% home-grown roster battle for a spot in the Super Bowl against a group of current or former All-Pros/Pro Bowlers signed to big deals.
I like to think karma has a way of (usually) telling these types of teams to go fuck themselves. Look at most Yankees squads this century. Karma told them to go fuck themselves. I think karma is about to treat the Broncos and their "Let's buy Super Bowl 50" front office to an ass-whooping of epic proportions.
Denver 10
Know what dawned on me the other day while I was sitting in Sports Authority Field watching the horror unfold?
Denver is trying to buy a championship. The number of FAs on both sides of the ball that they've tried to sew together into a dominant team is so apparent I'm shocked I never noticed how extensive it was before sitting in the stands on Sunday.
It was miraculous watching the Patriots and their seemingly 90% home-grown roster battle for a spot in the Super Bowl against a group of current or former All-Pros/Pro Bowlers signed to big deals.
I like to think karma has a way of (usually) telling these types of teams to go fuck themselves. Look at most Yankees squads this century. Karma told them to go fuck themselves. I think karma is about to treat the Broncos and their "Let's buy Super Bowl 50" front office to an ass-whooping of epic proportions.
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Well... there goes my ability to try to ignore the game as much as possible. They are coming to where I work.
Denver is using Stanford facilities to practice leading up to the game.
Denver is using Stanford facilities to practice leading up to the game.
Nice little article here from Cian Fahey on FO, talking about how Denver's defense needs to approach Carolina's offense much differently than they did the Patriots.
I really enjoyed this passage, which briefly sums up my thoughts on the match-up much better than I have been able to do:
I really enjoyed this passage, which briefly sums up my thoughts on the match-up much better than I have been able to do:
Good, quick read.
this game will be car 10-14 p win or den 1-7 p win my View
2 years ago denver layed a egg and other than manning DT and a few role players the team quit after the harvin KR denver would had lost anyway but it should had been 27-17 sea
if Den plays like the Pitt game they will lose
but the longer the game goes the more likely Denver wins denver plays well in the 4th q they have all year with 3 ex @ indy Oak @ pitt
the Key to this game is denver DL vs car OL winer of that wins the game i have a feeling denver will get a pick 6 form tailb or roby
Dream for Denver Newton playes nev for first 20 min denver playes at AFCGC level on def its 17-3 Den at haif Car scored 10 in the 3rd to make it 17-13 den after 3 but manning plays like 2013 for his last Q as he hits J Norwood for a 18 yard TD with 4 05 left denver has 2 goal line shops as car leaves 17 pts on board as Denver wins 24-13 manning 25-34 205 1 td 1 int
Newton 20-29 243 0 td 2 int
Nightmare for den first Q is 0-0 but car OL dom denver DL its 20--3 car at the haif and the car OL wears denver Down as its 27-3 but car goes soft on its last drive 27-10 Car
Car Peak 27 worse case 10
Den peak 24 Worse Case 13
i think denver will win 26-20 in ot as denver comes back form a 20-13 4th q defect
2 years ago denver layed a egg and other than manning DT and a few role players the team quit after the harvin KR denver would had lost anyway but it should had been 27-17 sea
if Den plays like the Pitt game they will lose
but the longer the game goes the more likely Denver wins denver plays well in the 4th q they have all year with 3 ex @ indy Oak @ pitt
the Key to this game is denver DL vs car OL winer of that wins the game i have a feeling denver will get a pick 6 form tailb or roby
Dream for Denver Newton playes nev for first 20 min denver playes at AFCGC level on def its 17-3 Den at haif Car scored 10 in the 3rd to make it 17-13 den after 3 but manning plays like 2013 for his last Q as he hits J Norwood for a 18 yard TD with 4 05 left denver has 2 goal line shops as car leaves 17 pts on board as Denver wins 24-13 manning 25-34 205 1 td 1 int
Newton 20-29 243 0 td 2 int
Nightmare for den first Q is 0-0 but car OL dom denver DL its 20--3 car at the haif and the car OL wears denver Down as its 27-3 but car goes soft on its last drive 27-10 Car
Car Peak 27 worse case 10
Den peak 24 Worse Case 13
i think denver will win 26-20 in ot as denver comes back form a 20-13 4th q defect
J-Man, I love you, but your tune switches by the week. Just four weeks ago you were predicting one and done for your Broncos, and now, after barely beating two opponents at home, one of which was the only team in NFL history to be without its leading rusher and receiver, you predict Denver will beat the best team in the NFL?
The funny thing is you could be right, too.
I'd rather be in your shoes than mine. They are setting up Super Bowl City right outside my office in SF, I'm going to have to go through bag checks and metal detectors and deal with huge crowds just to go to work next week.
Oh, and Carolina, but it will be a one score game until late.
There was a story about this in the news Weds PM. Apparently the guy who owns the house and his buddy play pranks on each other. In this case, the buddy got the last laugh.
thanks for the love it means a lot
my basis is denver makes plays late in games and denver is getting a lot of help form role players and the NE game was simple Den DL won that game
the 1 thing that wouild scare me if i rooted for Car is the their LT/RT aga Miller Ware
I'm really excited for this game
The Broncos are a bad match for the Pats but the Panthers are a really bad match for the Broncos
I expect 14+
I just don't see the Broncos scoring an offensive TD
The Broncos are a bad match for the Pats but the Panthers are a really bad match for the Broncos
I expect 14+
I just don't see the Broncos scoring an offensive TD
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Carolina, 47-9
Kuechly has more turnover return yards than yards from scrimmage by Denver. Peyton goes out on a stretcher in the 3rd.
Kuechly has more turnover return yards than yards from scrimmage by Denver. Peyton goes out on a stretcher in the 3rd.
Didn't check the threads yesterday, but this didn't make it to press here?
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/01/29/super-bowl-field-crew-goofs-paints-broncos-logo-in-both-end-zones/
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/01/29/super-bowl-field-crew-goofs-paints-broncos-logo-in-both-end-zones/
Denver by 1-3.
Manning did enough to get the Broncos to the Super Bowl. Pressure off Peyton for the L, the last rodeo and all. He was wearing knit cap and rocking a clipboard in the sidelines six weeks ago. He has no worries.
HGH? No one cares. The fandom wants a ride off into the sunset Gracie moment.
And can't pick /root for the NFC anyway.
Old dog w/great defense will beat
New dog w/good defense.
Manning did enough to get the Broncos to the Super Bowl. Pressure off Peyton for the L, the last rodeo and all. He was wearing knit cap and rocking a clipboard in the sidelines six weeks ago. He has no worries.
HGH? No one cares. The fandom wants a ride off into the sunset Gracie moment.
And can't pick /root for the NFC anyway.
Old dog w/great defense will beat
New dog w/good defense.
The only suspense in this game is whether the Broncos can hang in long enough to keep from embarrassed.
I made the mistake. Meant to pick Carolina big and bleary eyed picked I picked Denver big.
I'll stick with Carolina big, but I think our cumulative results are overdone. I'd say at least 7 times out of 20 Denver wins this game. There is a plausible path -- the way they beat the Pats.
Rivera has an interesting coaching challenge. He was on the "85 Bears, channels Ditka, and the mantra seems to be, let's play like we play. Which I think is right for an inexperienced team whose best players are young.
But Cam has been known to have his ball sail and Cam takes chances. So it's not hard to see the nightmare unfold -- a couple of early picks, a 10 zip deficit, then they tighten up. And Phillips probably has a couple of traps baited.
I'd start this game more conservatively from a play calling standpoint and loosen up as the game unfolds. Beat the hell out of them on both sides of the line, which will pay 4th quarter dividends. Force Peyton to screw up first.
I'll stick with Carolina big, but I think our cumulative results are overdone. I'd say at least 7 times out of 20 Denver wins this game. There is a plausible path -- the way they beat the Pats.
Rivera has an interesting coaching challenge. He was on the "85 Bears, channels Ditka, and the mantra seems to be, let's play like we play. Which I think is right for an inexperienced team whose best players are young.
But Cam has been known to have his ball sail and Cam takes chances. So it's not hard to see the nightmare unfold -- a couple of early picks, a 10 zip deficit, then they tighten up. And Phillips probably has a couple of traps baited.
I'd start this game more conservatively from a play calling standpoint and loosen up as the game unfolds. Beat the hell out of them on both sides of the line, which will pay 4th quarter dividends. Force Peyton to screw up first.
They had a really interesting report for the NFL Network by somebody standing around in Santa Clara with a mic. He said he had talked to coaches for several other teams and asked them what's so particularly difficult about playing Carolina. He said that the single most common answer was Kuechly. According to the NFL Network guy, Kuechly is known for, not just occasionally but, frequently calling out the other team's plays as soon as they line up. As in, "bubble screen left to #84" etc and also calling out what's coming the instant that they audible to another call. Made it sound like he's Eddie Adams playing linebacker.
Not sure if I am ready to give Wade fucking Phillips credit for drawing up a great defensive game plan in the AFCCG or blame the Patriots coaching staff for piss poor offensive preparation for playing in Denver and all the crowd noise.
This game will be decided early; if Carolina comes out and moves the ball on the Broncos defense, puts up a couple of scores and Manning and company go three and out a few times or worse yet, have turnovers that get converted to more points, that will be all she wrote.
If Carolina comes out tight, can't move the ball, have a couple of turnovers and Manning has the game of his life, then Denver has a chance.
It's either going to be Carolina 103-0 or Denver will once again pull another win out of their collective asses and the floor tile with confetti and ketchup sprinkled on it Pizza peddler will ride off into the sunset with another Super Bowl win and heads will explode across New England.
This game will be decided early; if Carolina comes out and moves the ball on the Broncos defense, puts up a couple of scores and Manning and company go three and out a few times or worse yet, have turnovers that get converted to more points, that will be all she wrote.
If Carolina comes out tight, can't move the ball, have a couple of turnovers and Manning has the game of his life, then Denver has a chance.
It's either going to be Carolina 103-0 or Denver will once again pull another win out of their collective asses and the floor tile with confetti and ketchup sprinkled on it Pizza peddler will ride off into the sunset with another Super Bowl win and heads will explode across New England.
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Len Ramirez @lenramirez 32m32 minutes ago
Sources: Murphy questioned and released. His brother and suspected prostitute cited at motel parking lot.
Why wouldn't you give Wade Phillips credit? He's a great defensive coach and had a great plan in the AFCCG.
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Peyton Manning said he was recently told he will eventually need hip replacement surgery.
Peyton Manning said he was recently told he will eventually need hip replacement surgery.
Is there any reason to believe the Panthers OL will be as inept as the Pats OL in a neutral stadium with a QB who is a huge running threat?
Maybe Cam totally blows it or there are fumbles and Denver manages to punch the ball in and gets ahead, and then the DL goes off and prevents a comeback. I think the chances of that are way less than 35% though.
There is a definite path to Denver victory, but I can guarantee you it would not look like the way they beat the Pats. Cam isn't getting hit 20+ times in the pocket and Denver isn't going to rush only three players 14 times again. Plus Denver is going to have a difficult time playing as much man coverage as they like against a QB as mobile as Cam and a team that likes to run as many deep routes as Carolina does.
The Panthers o-line isn't really a top notch unit based on individual talent, but they go max protect probably more than any other team in the league. This gives their pass catchers time to get downfield, plus Cam can buy time with his legs if he has to. Carolina is really good at running the football and staying out of obvious passing downs, which is the complete polar opposite of the Patriots. When Carolina does get in obvious passing downs, I think Denver will mix up their coverages like they did against the Pats, in an effort to confuse Cam. But I also think they'll blitz a lot more. Rushing 3-4 isn't going to get it done against Carolina if they want to put pressure on the QB.
I'm far from an X's and O's guy, but I think a Denver win is predicated on the following from their defense: they will need to shut down the Carolina run game on early downs and force them into 3rd-and-long situations. If they can do that, then I think you'll see some exotic overload blitzes to try and counteract Carolina's max protect blocking schemes, combined with mixing up their coverages with various combinations of zone and man. But it all centers around stopping the run. If Denver can't do that, it's going to be a long day for them.
The Panthers o-line isn't really a top notch unit based on individual talent, but they go max protect probably more than any other team in the league. This gives their pass catchers time to get downfield, plus Cam can buy time with his legs if he has to. Carolina is really good at running the football and staying out of obvious passing downs, which is the complete polar opposite of the Patriots. When Carolina does get in obvious passing downs, I think Denver will mix up their coverages like they did against the Pats, in an effort to confuse Cam. But I also think they'll blitz a lot more. Rushing 3-4 isn't going to get it done against Carolina if they want to put pressure on the QB.
I'm far from an X's and O's guy, but I think a Denver win is predicated on the following from their defense: they will need to shut down the Carolina run game on early downs and force them into 3rd-and-long situations. If they can do that, then I think you'll see some exotic overload blitzes to try and counteract Carolina's max protect blocking schemes, combined with mixing up their coverages with various combinations of zone and man. But it all centers around stopping the run. If Denver can't do that, it's going to be a long day for them.
I don't really give credit to coaches when they get pressure rushing 3 and 4. I could draw up a great defense against a team that can not run the ball and can't block my Dline.
This is exactly right, IMO. Success for Denver's D will come if they can slow down the Panthers' run game.
Denver has been one of the best defenses against the run all year, so they have the personnel and scheme and mindset to do it. The option read plays will be new things for them defend against, but they will have 2 weeks to prepare by game time.
If they can stop the run and force those 3rd down throws, I like their chances of creating a turnover or two as well, which I believe will be a key to Denver winning. The Defense is going to need to either get one into the endzone themselves, or create a very short field for the Manning offense. Denver's O will be very unlikely to drive 80+ yards for TDs 3 or 4 times. They'll need help.
I remain solidly optimistic about Denver winning. And even if they lose, I don't think they'll get trounced the way they did 2 years ago and this will be a close and fun game.
Not surprising - with all the nerve issues he's had he has probably had enough oral prednisone to kill a horse - his AVN probably makes Napoli's look like child's play