ZORAN Dragic traded to Boston and will be waived

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Where does Zoran get playing time here where he couldn't even get on their active roster until after the NBDL season ended last season? He's 26 and guaranteed this year bringing us to 17 guaranteed deals. I'm guessing there will be further roster movement announced at some point today.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
Where does Zoran get playing time here where he couldn't even get on their active roster until after the NBDL season ended last season? He's 26 and guaranteed this year bringing us to 17 guaranteed deals. I'm guessing there will be further roster movement announced at some point today.
The David Lee deal was supposed to be announced today so there will be movement.
 

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Celtics giving up a 2nd rounder.
 
EDIT: This being twitter, there are some reports that Boston is GETTING a 2nd rounder.
 
 
DOUBLE EDIT: Windhorst saying it's Dragic and a 2nd for a "heavily protected" 2nd.
 

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This must just be Danny taking a second round pick off of Miami's hands to help them with a cap problem before he finalizes the Crowder Lee deals.

Either that or he's just hoping the Heat make a typo when they fax the paperwork to the league office?
 

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This saves Miami over $6m when tax penalties are included and all for a heavily protected 2nd rounder that we will likely never see AND giving up one of our 2nd rounders? In the end it doesn't affect much when you're talking about the 14-15th roster spots but this really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Little risk of course but the only reward comes on the Miami end in saving a shitload of money.
 

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Rather the C's got Napier
Napier can actually play some NBA minutes now and have some upside. Zoran is 26 and not an NBA player. Yes, I'd prefer Napier too but that wasn't happening.

Must log off internet so entire day isn't spent discussing or even thinking about Zoran Dragic. Out.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
This saves Miami over $6m when tax penalties are included and all for a heavily protected 2nd rounder that we will likely never see AND giving up one of our 2nd rounders? In the end it doesn't affect much when you're talking about the 14-15th roster spots but this really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Little risk of course but the only reward comes on the Miami end in saving a shitload of money.
 
The heavily protected 2nd rounder is ours, not theirs. Unless we are much better than expected, we get a free 2nd rounder for helping them with a cap problem.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
This saves Miami over $6m when tax penalties are included and all for a heavily protected 2nd rounder that we will likely never see AND giving up one of our 2nd rounders? In the end it doesn't affect much when you're talking about the 14-15th roster spots but this really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Little risk of course but the only reward comes on the Miami end in saving a shitload of money.
i think you have the picks backwards - we are giving a protected pick that THEY will never see and getting a second rounder from them.

Edit: And, C's are getting cash from Heat to pay Zoran's salary and waiving him.

Zoran, we hardly knew ye...
 

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I'm 99.999% sure the guy saying they keep the trade exceptions is wrong. They signed Johnson officially, which means they had to have had cap space to do so. Once you drop below the cap the exceptions are gone forever.
 

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I'm 99.999% sure the guy saying they keep the trade exceptions is wrong. They signed Johnson officially, which means they had to have had cap space to do so. Once you drop below the cap the exceptions are gone forever.
 
I think you are right.  Cs had to renounce trade exceptions to get below the cap.  If they had gotten Raptors to do a sign-and-trade, they might have been able to keep them but they didn't.
 

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Cellar-Door said:
I'm 99.999% sure the guy saying they keep the trade exceptions is wrong. They signed Johnson officially, which means they had to have had cap space to do so. Once you drop below the cap the exceptions are gone forever.
 
That's correct. In order to sign Johnson, they are required to clear the books, or else they have cap holds going back to Michael Olowokandi eating up cap space.
 

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I believe he was referring to the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions (although he wrote trade...). Once Crowder is signed they'll go back over the cap and these will be available to them.
 

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I believe he was referring to the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions (although he wrote trade...). Once Crowder is signed they'll go back over the cap and these will be available to them.
 
Yes, vicirus, I also believe this is what he meant to write.  
 

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What, exactly, is the benefit of not releasing a cap hold on a guy like Dana Barros?
 

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jscola85 said:
What, exactly, is the benefit of not releasing a cap hold on a guy like Dana Barros?
To be able to manipulate your over/under cap status for maximum utility in terms of exceptions.
 

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Eddie Jurak said:
They cleared the books of some but not all cap holds. (Dana Barros is one who has not been cleared).
Eddie Jurak, it sounds like you know way more about this stuff than I do. So, how is it that Dana Barros still has a cap hold?  Basketball Reference lists him as 48 years old, shouldn't he be officially retired?  Thanks.
 

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kfoss99 said:
Eddie Jurak, it sounds like you know way more about this stuff than I do. So, how is it that Dana Barros still has a cap hold?  Basketball Reference lists him as 48 years old, shouldn't he be officially retired?  Thanks.
Cap holds stay in place indefinitely - unless the team formally renounces their rights to the player.

Because the Celtics had been over the cap since the late 1990s, there was never anything to gain by renouncing the players. Until this year, when the C's actually did get under the cap to sign Johnson.

Keeping the cap holds can work to a team's advantage in some situations. For example, if Danny had wanted to work with trade exceptions, the MLE, and the biennial exception instead of working with cap space, he could have left enough cap holds in place to keep the team above the cap. Instead, by going under the cap, he had to renounce trade exceptions, enough of the cap holds to fit in various contracts, and he could not use the MLE and biennial exceptions.
 

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The other reason not to renounce players is that if they haven't filed retirement paper work, they're eligible to be used in sign and trades (or at least used to be?) via holding their bird rights. The most famous example was Keith Van Horn being traded from Dallas to the Nets after being out of the league for a year. The Mavs were trying to trade for Jason Kidd and needed to make up some salary. They signed Van Horn for like $4MM after he agreed to just sign and collect a check. The league attempted to put a stop to it by requiring players like this to actually report and attend games.

That example was from 06 or 07, so maybe this loop hole was closed in the CBA, but if Shaq decided to launch a comeback, we could theoretically include him in a trade.
 

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vicirus said:
The other reason not to renounce players is that if they haven't filed retirement paper work, they're eligible to be used in sign and trades (or at least used to be?) via holding their bird rights. The most famous example was Keith Van Horn being traded from Dallas to the Nets after being out of the league for a year. The Mavs were trying to trade for Jason Kidd and needed to make up some salary. They signed Van Horn for like $4MM after he agreed to just sign and collect a check. The league attempted to put a stop to it by requiring players like this to actually report and attend games.

That example was from 06 or 07, so maybe this loop hole was closed in the CBA, but if Shaq decided to launch a comeback, we could theoretically include him in a trade.
They closed it. You can only be involved in a sign and trade if you finished the previous season on the 15 man roster.
 

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vicirus said:
I believe he was referring to the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions (although he wrote trade...). Once Crowder is signed they'll go back over the cap and these will be available to them.
 
I believe this is incorrect. For them to have gotten under the cap, they would have had to renounce their mid-level exception. It's gone until July of 2016. They would, instead, have a room exception of around $2.8 million.
 

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Cellar-Door said:
They closed it. You can only be involved in a sign and trade if you finished the previous season on the 15 man roster.
Joe Kleine's highest single season salary came the year after he "unofficially" retired. He had already announced that he was joining the Suns broadcast team when he completed a sign-n-trade to go to Indiana to make the Jermaine O'Neal for Dale Davis deal go through back when the Blazers were gunning for a title. He joked about it on the broadcasts.