Your FA/Draft Plan From Here

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With Revis in the fold and our collective boners fading after the four-hour limit, conversation is turning to what comes next. 
 
In several threads, there are various proposals, ideas and daydreams being pitched, as well as discussion about what to do about veterans with large cap hits (Vince, etc.). 
 
Based on Miguel's Cap Page (a vital resource for anyone interested in the Pats), there is still money left to spend. How much depends on what happens with some possible cuts, restructurings and/or extensions. Suffice to say, the Pats can still bring in five or six free agents with moderate price tags and still have draft picks to use in May. 
 
My own ideas/daydreams:
1. Sign Julius Peppers. The rumored price tag of $4M/season would be manageable and he was not obviously washed up at the end of 2013. He is older than Jared Allen but he's also a better all-around player (i.e. makes an effort against the run) and cheaper. Adding Peppers to the Jones/Ninkovich/JAGs at DE would do many things for the defense and having three legit "starters" might help keep them all healthier, energetic and active. Plus, Peppers is absolutely in his "get a ring" phase, so $4M might even be a little high (based on what Freeney/Abraham got last season, it would be right in the range). 
 
2. Sign Wesley Woodyard. He's been in for a visit, where I think he was given a very interesting proposal - to play the Rodney Harrison role in the defense on 1st down and to be a coverage weapon on 3rd down. Safety - strong safety, if you must - is a spot without a clear starter to pair with McCourty. Harmon provides good depth and it seems Tavon Wilson is a bust as a defender but is a key special teamer, as is Nate Ebner. Woodyard is a small, undersized (6', 233) LB with excellent coverage skills. He is seemingly a very poor fit for the Patriots as a LB - I cannot recall a single player with those dimensions being a full-time LB under Belichick. But I have seen BB's fascination with big safeties. Rodney. Tank Williams. Don Davis (converted LB). Woodyard as a Safety seems crazy until you pair it with Revis Island and then a guy who has no experience as a Safety makes a bit of sense as the underneath cover guy, run support and TE coverage specialist. Also, it hurts a direct rival and I'm not above that kind of petty thinking. 
 
3. Sign Steve "Crazy Pants" Smith. Yes, he is also 34. Yes, I am sort of advocating putting the 2003 Carolina Panthers back together (where's my Delhomme?!) And 48 hours ago, I would have made the following arguments AGAINST this idea: he punches teammates, he's a bit of diva, he yells at QBs when they don't throw him the ball, he's 34, he's obviously in decline. So...there's that. 
 
But Steve Smith is one of the most competitive motherfuckers in the NFL. We all saw him crawl inside Aqib Talib's head during the game in 2013. We saw him set up camp, set a fire, toast some marshmallows and draw some penalties. He is short but he might be the strongest man of his size in the league. He wants a ring. He has reportedly matured into a leader and a positive presence (i.e. no longer punches teammates for fucking around during film sessions). And he will absolutely love the idea of playing against Talib TWICE, in big games. Can you give him a $1M bonus if he gets Talib ejected from one of those games? (no? shit. can we take up a collection?) Steve is a smart, outspoken guy and he would be SO much fun. 
 
4. Sign an interior OL. Phil Costa? Shelley Smith? Whatever. I trust they know what they are doing. I think Wendell is gone, Connolly is going back to C on a small extension (to lower his cap hit) and Cannon plays RG. I mean, Cannon has to start somewhere, right? So a back up Center for short-term starter Connolly makes the most sense. Also need to retain Will Svitek or something similar. 
 
And draft an interior OL with one of the first two picks. Mankins has to go next year (cap number) and Connolly is fine as a stopgap and Cannon might be the long term solution at RG...but this area is in flux. And Vollmer better get healthy and stay healthy or this could be a problem area again. 
 
5. Vince. I think Bedard might be right - the Pats will carry Vince and his cap hit into camp and then look at his form and recovery before making the decision. That complicates the cap and maybe even the moves I've suggested above. But I also think that if Vince looks like Ted Washington Redux in camp - not able to penetrate but able to collapse and/or just not be moved - they'll keep him around to anchor (literally) the line. 
 
This means a DT is also a draft priority, with one of the first two picks. Armond Armstead still around? Will Tommy Kelly take a phantom extension that allows them to just convert salary to a bonus to stick around? Will he be healthy? Is Vellano JAG? What about Chris Jones? Is Siliga for real?
 
Healthy, immovable Wilfork and healthy Tommy Kelly, backed by Siliga, a draft pick, Armstead and Jones might be a good unit. Or it might be a disaster. 
 
ETA: James Casey would be an upgrade on Develin. Depending on if the Sproles-to-the-Eagles rumors are true, he might be cut. Or I can dream about it.
 

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I really like the Woodyard and Smith ideas.  Smith's on the back nine and was stretched in a terrible receiving corps in Carolina, but think he's strong complement Gronk/Amendola/Dobson/Vereen. 
 
With Revis aboard and development from Collins, adding a player like Woodyard seems like it would give some flexibility to the defense and really strengthen that perpetual weakness of defending the middle intermediate passing games.
 
I think filling those two holes are harde/ess desirable to fill in the draft than in free agency, so I like it from a resource management perspective. 
 
Im not as convinced as you the cap room is there to sign all of them without figuring out Wilfork first.
 

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I really like the Woodyard and Smith ideas.  Smith's on the back nine and was stretched in a terrible receiving corps in Carolina, but think he's strong complement Gronk/Amendola/Dobson/Vereen. 
 
With Revis aboard and development from Collins, adding a player like Woodyard seems like it would give some flexibility to the defense and really strengthen that perpetual weakness of defending the middle intermediate passing games.
 
I think filling those two holes are harde/ess desirable to fill in the draft than in free agency, so I like it from a resource management perspective. 
 
Im not as convinced as you the cap room is there to sign all of them without figuring out Wilfork first.
On the cap room, it's a thin line to tow.  You can't pull a post-lockout Jets and rework a bunch of deals then not get the players you target.  You'll be in cap hell and what did you get out of it?  You have to get the targets as close to in the fold as possible while also being having the players on board to rework the contracts.  It can be and has been done, but it's really hard to do if the player isn't amicable to restructuring.  I really don't want to cut Vince at this point because it weakens them at DT.
 

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I like the plan SoxFan laid out but I'd rather have Avant or LaFell over Smith. With Gronks status always seemingly iffy I'd hate to see this team undone by red zone struggles. Give me another taller WR behind or in conjunction with Dobson.

Draft a DT (Hageman, Tuitt, Nix), any of the top 5 TEs in this draft and some youth on the OL interior.

Profit.
 

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I can see Vince's pride being hurt with the restructuring, but with the chance for a) another ring*, b) a couple years added and c) retiring as "Big Vince" the lifetime Patriot and the next 20-30 years of endorsement money, he could make due.
 
*my bad, been too long since though
 

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I see the major needs as:
WR - replacement for Edelman - ideally, we just re-sign Edelman. If not, I'd like a veteran replacement. The WR group is already young; I'd prefer to add a vet (Sanders is probably the best option) vs a draft pick. The draft is pretty stacked, though, so maybe a later-round pick?
SS - replacement for Gregory - ideally a FA, since we already have some young S, but I don't see any good options in the market. Maybe a draft pick if someone like Deone Buchanon is available in the right spot? Probably stuck with what we have.
TE - replacement for Hernandez / insurance for Gronk - probably fairly high draft pick, though there are some intriguing FA options - Keller, Daniels, even James Casey if / when he's cut
interior OL - replacement for Wendell and maybe Connolly - I would actually re-sign Wendell to a modest deal ($2-$2.5 MM for 2-3 years), cut Connolly, and add a draft pick. Wendell had a poor 2013 but a good 2012 and I value continuity on the OL.
sub DE - replacement for / upgrade on Carter / Buchanan - someone like Peppers or Jared Allen if inexpensive enough, or a draft pick
DT - insurance for Kelly / Wilfork - probably a high pick on a 3-4 DE type, someone like Hageman, Tuitt, or Urban
RB - replacement for Blount / depth - re-sign Blount if he's cheap enough, or a mid-level draft pick
LB - depth (with Spikes / Fletcher leaving) - re-sign Fletcher if he's cheap enough, or a budget FA / late-round draft pick
 

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On D, I think a pass-rusher would be hugely complimentary to having a shut-down corner and stronger secondary. Maybe Peppers, Allen or Tuck will become affordable as we get deeper into FA. 
 
If Edelman bolts, TB needs a guy to throw to that he trusts. Smith is a PIA and 34 (?)  but he's a helluva receiver. Sanders may be the answer
 
I figure the draft will be the source for the new generation OL
 

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My wish list is Browner and re-signing Edelman, with Sanders (I love Smith and trust his toughness, but physically he seems to be breaking down) as a backup plan to Edelman. Do that and draft a TE and dip into what is supposedly a deep WR draft class and this team is ready to go, so far as I'm concerned.
 
Peppers would be great as lagniappe, love to see them able to rotate DL guys more. I'm fine with Woodyard signing here, too -- in BB we trust -- but if not I can see that, too. Yes we need more speed in the LB corps, but Woodyard isn't versatile enough in my book.
 
It's not high on anyone's list of priorities, but any news on Blount that I missed? With the market for RBs being what it is, my guess is he comes back on a reasonable deal after exploring the market elsewhere.
 

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1. Rework Wilfork's deal. There has to be a middle ground here. Unless they really insult him, I can't see big Vince leaving, esp. now that Revis is around.
2. Trade Mallett. Get the best pick(s) you can for him. If you can get #33 from Houston, do it.
3. Resign Edelman. If you can't get him resigned, I'm hoping for Steve Smith. Hell, bring in Smith anyway. Not a big fan of LaFell. I'd rather just let Dobson take those snaps. 
4. DE- Peppers, Allen, anyone who can supplement Nink and provide some heat off the edge at a reasonable price. 
5. Browner- Would be awesome to add his size to the secondary and it shouldn't be too expensive to do so.
6. Woodyard- We'll need another LB, so adding a guy with a solid ability to cover would be a nice compliment to Hightower.
7. Draft: DL, TE, OL. If they add say Hageman, Niklas and Bitonio early, I'd be pretty happy. Throw in a RB, QB, and DB later on and the team is ready to go to work. 
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
1. Rework Wilfork's deal. There has to be a middle ground here. Unless they really insult him, I can't see big Vince leaving, esp. now that Revis is around.
2. Trade Mallett. Get the best pick(s) you can for him. If you can get #33 from Houston, do it.
3. Resign Edelman. If you can't get him resigned, I'm hoping for Steve Smith. Hell, bring in Smith anyway. Not a big fan of LaFell. I'd rather just let Dobson take those snaps. 
4. DE- Peppers, Allen, anyone who can supplement Nink and provide some heat off the edge at a reasonable price. 
5. Browner- Would be awesome to add his size to the secondary and it shouldn't be too expensive to do so.
6. Woodyard- We'll need another LB, so adding a guy with a solid ability to cover would be a nice compliment to Hightower.
7. Draft: DL, TE, OL. If they add say Hageman, Niklas and Bitonio early, I'd be pretty happy. Throw in a RB, QB, and DB later on and the team is ready to go to work. 
I hate doing it, but: this. This is exactly where I am.
 

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I'm still drooling for Jared Allen.
 
I'm not sure why Julius Peppers is getting more love than Allen. Peppers is 3 years older and appears to be in his decline. 
 
Allen, on the other hand, posted 11.5 sacks again last season. The dude has had at least 11 sacks a season since 2007 and is solid against the run. I doubt anyone dishes out the 3/30 that Denver was willing to pay him, and I wouldn't be opposed at all to give the guy 3/25. 
 
While I'd like to get Browner, the jump between him and Harmon isn't nearly as drastic as the jump between Allen and Andre Carter/Rob Ninkovich. Having two solid edge rushers in Allen/Jones, Mayo/Collins as nickle LB's, Revis/Dennard/Arrington at CB, and McCourty patrolling centerfield makes for a top 5 pass defense.
 
Switch out Arrington for Hightower in the base defense (and maybe Nink for Collins or Jones) and you have a top 5 rush defense (if Wilfork restructures).
 
Bringing in a Browner doesn't change the landscape that bringing in Allen will.
 
Of course, it won't cost nearly as much either, but...I don't care.
 
I want Allen. Get it done.
 

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The thing about getting an edge rusher was that last season, Jones and Nink were 1-2 in snaps. Getting someone to provide them a breather will improve them.

Allen was 3, FYI.
 

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mascho said:
I hate doing it, but: this. This is exactly where I am.
 
Same. I'd also extend McCourty, Ghost, and possibly Slater too. Wilfork is the big fish though. It think something has to be done there I'd have no problem cutting him.
 
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I'm still drooling for Jared Allen.
 
I'm not sure why Julius Peppers is getting more love than Allen. Peppers is 3 years older and appears to be in his decline. 
 
Allen, on the other hand, posted 11.5 sacks again last season. The dude has had at least 11 sacks a season since 2007 and is solid against the run. I doubt anyone dishes out the 3/30 that Denver was willing to pay him, and I wouldn't be opposed at all to give the guy 3/25. 
 
While I'd like to get Browner, the jump between him and Harmon isn't nearly as drastic as the jump between Allen and Andre Carter/Rob Ninkovich. Having two solid edge rushers in Allen/Jones, Mayo/Collins as nickle LB's, Revis/Dennard/Arrington at CB, and McCourty patrolling centerfield makes for a top 5 pass defense.
 
Switch out Arrington for Hightower in the base defense (and maybe Nink for Collins or Jones) and you have a top 5 rush defense (if Wilfork restructures).
 
Bringing in a Browner doesn't change the landscape that bringing in Allen will.
 
Of course, it won't cost nearly as much either, but...I don't care.
 
I want Allen. Get it done.
 
Yeah I prefer Allen too.
 

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The thing that worries me about Allen is that if the Broncos indeed offered him 3/30 he may very well just decide to retire if nobody comes close to matching that contract.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I'm still drooling for Jared Allen.
 
I'm not sure why Julius Peppers is getting more love than Allen. Peppers is 3 years older and appears to be in his decline. 
 
Allen, on the other hand, posted 11.5 sacks again last season. The dude has had at least 11 sacks a season since 2007 and is solid against the run. I doubt anyone dishes out the 3/30 that Denver was willing to pay him, and I wouldn't be opposed at all to give the guy 3/25. 
 
While I'd like to get Browner, the jump between him and Harmon isn't nearly as drastic as the jump between Allen and Andre Carter/Rob Ninkovich. Having two solid edge rushers in Allen/Jones, Mayo/Collins as nickle LB's, Revis/Dennard/Arrington at CB, and McCourty patrolling centerfield makes for a top 5 pass defense.
 
Switch out Arrington for Hightower in the base defense (and maybe Nink for Collins or Jones) and you have a top 5 rush defense (if Wilfork restructures).
 
Bringing in a Browner doesn't change the landscape that bringing in Allen will.
 
Of course, it won't cost nearly as much either, but...I don't care.
 
I want Allen. Get it done.
 
Nice points - only thing I wanted to correct is Allen is two years younger than Peppers, not three.
 

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The thing that worries me about Allen is that if the Broncos indeed offered him 3/30 he may very well just decide to retire if nobody comes close to matching that contract.
 
At 32? I don't know about that. He's still good enough to land another decent deal; I can't imagine why he'd walk away from that given his apparent love for the game.
 

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The thing about getting an edge rusher was that last season, Jones and Nink were 1-2 in snaps. Getting someone to provide them a breather will improve them.

Allen was 3, FYI.
 
We've already seen Bill play with the front 7 a little bit. Getting Allen in there gives them some serious flexibility.
 
Hell, we've seen them stick Jones at DT to get pressure last season. Having a pressure front 4 of Nink/Jones/? (Kelly? Chris Jones? Armstead?) /Allen could be fantastic.
 
You could also swap out Nink on the front line with a more bulked up Collins (if you trust Hightower or sign a guy like Woodyard), or maybe Hightower (although we haven't really seen him in this role).
 
I'm not against Browner. I actually like the idea of getting him too. But I think the defense still has one pretty big hole, and it's getting pressure on the QB.
 

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At 32? I don't know about that. He's still good enough to land another decent deal; I can't imagine why he'd walk away from that given his apparent love for the game.
 
He's posturing.
 
I think he/his agent knows that 3/30 was a fantastic deal and they want to see it matched.
 
Tough shit. Settle for the 3/25 that I'm offering. I'll tell Bill to get it done.
 

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I generally agree KFP. Hell, remember Arrington getting snaps at DE?

But if you get Browner and miss out on Allen/Peppers, that secondary can not only mask a weak pass rush, but gives you chances at many a coverage sack.
 

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I don't think they can afford Allen. He thought he could get $10M until DEN backed out. So let's say at the worst he settles for $7M. Your down to $4M or so. They can still restructure Vince, extend McCourty and/or Ghost, cut Connolly/Wendell, but now our wish list gets a lot smaller.
 
How do they fit in Edelman, Browner and/or Woodyard with Allen unless they backload a bunch of these contracts?
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
 
He's posturing.
 
I think he/his agent knows that 3/30 was a fantastic deal and they want to see it matched.
 
Tough shit. Settle for the 3/25 that I'm offering. I'll tell Bill to get it done.
 
I'd go 3/25 too, but if Allen doesn't want that, I'd look into bringing in Justin Tuck over Peppers.
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I don't think they can afford Allen. He thought he could get $10M until DEN backed out. So let's say at the worst he settles for $7M. Your down to $4M or so. They can still restructure Vince, extend McCourty and/or Ghost, cut Connolly/Wendell, but now our wish list gets a lot smaller.
 
How do they fit in Edelman, Browner and/or Woodyard with Allen unless they backload a bunch of these contracts?
 
What's wrong with backloading?
 

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I generally agree KFP. Hell, remember Arrington getting snaps at DE?

But if you get Browner and miss out on Allen/Peppers, that secondary can not only mask a weak pass rush, but gives you chances at many a coverage sack.
 
I don't disagree.
 
I also don't put nearly as much stock in coverage sacks as other people do (especially over the last 24 hours since signing Revis).
 
First, we saw this defense burned out at the end of games last year. They got no pressure for huge amounts of time (no exaggeration, it was like, 6-8 seconds). At that point, even Revis is getting shook.
 
Secondly, this is a new era in the NFL. You're not going to get coverage sacks against guys like Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson, Robert Griffin, Andrew Luck (and to a lesser degree, guys like Nick Foles, Geno Smith, Alex Smith, etc etc.). These guys can simply tuck it and run.
 
The idea of the coverage sack is great, and it's obviously a real thing. It also was a more viable option 10 years ago.
 
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I don't think they can afford Allen. He thought he could get $10M until DEN backed out. So let's say at the worst he settles for $7M. Your down to $4M or so. They can still restructure Vince, extend McCourty and/or Ghost, cut Connolly/Wendell, but now our wish list gets a lot smaller.
 
How do they fit in Edelman, Browner and/or Woodyard with Allen unless they backload a bunch of these contracts?
 
Like Phragle said...why not backload them? Aren't they in cap heaven for the next 2 years?
 

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What's wrong with backloading?
 
Well every contract is usually slightly backloaded, but not typically a successful strategy if you do it with too many guys/too large of values. You're already using Revis as a dead space backloaded contract.
 
Solder, McCourty, Vereen/Ridley all need to be paid next year. They need to get a CB1 next year be it Revis or someone else. All these backloaded contracts become even more expensive next year and you have no money to fill any of the holes. 
 
The cap should go up but so do your needs. DT, RB, CB, OG/C, depth, so on and so forth. 
 
edit: This obviously changes with Vince gone, but now they have a hole a DT they need to fill this year, without a ton of options. Draft is pretty much the only way. 
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
 
Well every contract is usually slightly backloaded, but not typically a successful strategy if you do it with too many guys/too large of values. You're already using Revis as a dead space backloaded contract.
 
Solder, McCourty, Vereen/Ridley all need to be paid next year. They need to get a CB1 next year be it Revis or someone else. All these backloaded contracts become even more expensive next year and you have no money to fill any of the holes. 
 
The cap should go up but so do your needs. DT, RB, CB, OG/C, depth, so on and so forth. 
 
edit: This obviously changes with Vince gone, but now they have a hole a DT they need to fill this year, without a ton of options. Draft is pretty much the only way. 
 
You need to take Ridley out right now. Also the cap is going up and they get out from under Hernandez's cap hit. 
 

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You need to take Ridley out right now. Also the cap is going up and they get out from under Hernandez's cap hit. 
 
And they go under from Revis' hit (only 2.5M difference). Who replaces Ridley as of right now?
 

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Stupid question: if Hernandez is convicted AFTER this season, can the league credit his cap charge against the Patriots in 2013 and 2014 as additional cap space in 2015?
 
I know it's a long shot, but I wonder if after all the dust settles the Patriots would receive some type of cap "refund" for the money paid out to him.
 

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Anyone think Wilfork saw Revis' deal and got pissed that they asked him to take a paycut?
 
Probably. He shouldn't have been pissed. Revis is a horse while Wilfork is a broken down stallion.
 

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Stupid question: if Hernandez is convicted AFTER this season, can the league credit his cap charge against the Patriots in 2013 and 2014 as additional cap space in 2015?
 
I know it's a long shot, but I wonder if after all the dust settles the Patriots would receive some type of cap "refund" for the money paid out to him.
Short answer is potentially for part of it, but its not going to be for the full amount unless Hernandez hits the powerball from prison and it might not matter if hes convicted or it might matter which murder he is convicted of.  Murdering doesnt fit neatly into the cap rules.
 
RedOctober3829 said:
Anyone think Wilfork saw Revis' deal and got pissed that they asked him to take a paycut?
Might have been the final straw or he might have realized that he was unlikely to be on the team at his current salary and wanted out now rather than later.
 

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phragle said:
 
Anyone
 
Now you have me wondering, for the first time, if he may be trade bait leading up to this draft.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
Anyone think Wilfork saw Revis' deal and got pissed that they asked him to take a paycut?
Vince saw the handwriting on the wall. If he gets released now he has more teams to negotiate with versus being told to take a paycut or be released in June when budgets are more or less in place.. 
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
 
And they go under from Revis' hit (only 2.5M difference). Who replaces Ridley as of right now?
I wouldn't be surprised if they draft a RB this year. Bolden and someone named Jonas Gray are the only depth as of now. I'm not sure either Ridley or Vereen has earned a long-term deal at this point.
 

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I'm still drooling for Jared Allen.
 
I'm not sure why Julius Peppers is getting more love than Allen. Peppers is 3 years older and appears to be in his decline. 
 
1. Cheaper. Peppers is right in the Freeney/Abraham zone that ended up being 2 years and $6-8.5M total. Personally, that made more sense when I thought they would be hanging on to Vince (and still might, despite his request to go now). 
 
2. Peppers is larger, physically, and while he's no Ty Warren he's also bigger (by an inch and 15 pounds) than Allen. 
 
3. Ability to play against the run. I think BB is a genius and is adapting to the modern game but he's also got "stop the run" hardwired into his DNA. All else being close, I think BB prefers the guy who can play responsible gap control when necessary, as opposed to the guy who is getting upfield on every snap. 
 
4. Allen isn't a football lifer; he seems to actually have interests outside the game and while his threat to retire instead of play for less than he's worth is almost certainly posturing, it also in some microscopic way knocks him down a bit with Belichick and his love of guys who eat, drink and sleep football. I could be entirely wrong about Allen and I don't particularly know whether Peppers is a lifer, but it is one of the little things that could be an entry in the "Con" list. 
 
5. I think this is a rotational job. Allen may want to play all the time. And I don't think the guy they sign to rotate with Ninkovich and provide Jones insurance is going to play all the time. This was the problem with Abraham last season, no?  Ninkovich is a valuable cog in the machine and can certainly move around if necessary to accommodate a talent like Allen but I also don't think the Pats paid Ninkovich $2.85M against this year's cap to be a backup to two full-time DEs (Jones & whomever). 
 

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2 years, $1.2M/year ($2.4M total), $1.1M guaranteed, $360K signing bonus for HOOMAN. He made $630K last season, so he doubled his salary. That's a reasonable, good contract for a contributor. 
 

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Jared Allen has indicated we are on his "wish list". That said, he seems to want a massive contract. I don't see it happening. 
 
Could Raji be plugged into the DL?
 

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with Revis coming in and Wilfork apparently leaving, I could see the Pats having the ability to blitz a little more than they have in the past,. So it got me to thinking would the value of a Spikes-type LB, a guy who can fill gaps, crush runners, but also has the mobility to rush, be of increased value? 
 

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bankshot1 said:
with Revis coming in and Wilfork apparently leaving, I could see the Pats having the ability to blitz a little more than they have in the past,. So it got me to thinking would the value of a Spikes-type LB, a guy who can fill gaps, crush runners, but also has the mobility to rush, be of increased value? 
 
Hightower has played that role a bit - I'm imagining that's where they have him in mind. Mayo has done a bit of it as well. Collins seemed to blitz well at the end of the season too, but is less of the run stuffing type.
 
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jsinger121 said:
 
Probably. He shouldn't have been pissed. Revis is a horse while Wilfork is a broken down stallion.
not even that. He's 5 years younger and at a shorter contract. If Vince was pissed at that, seeing the best available DB come to this team, making the team better, he needs to grow up. (figuratively of course)
 

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1. Cheaper. Peppers is right in the Freeney/Abraham zone that ended up being 2 years and $6-8.5M total. Personally, that made more sense when I thought they would be hanging on to Vince (and still might, despite his request to go now). 
 
2. Peppers is larger, physically, and while he's no Ty Warren he's also bigger (by an inch and 15 pounds) than Allen. 
 
3. Ability to play against the run. I think BB is a genius and is adapting to the modern game but he's also got "stop the run" hardwired into his DNA. All else being close, I think BB prefers the guy who can play responsible gap control when necessary, as opposed to the guy who is getting upfield on every snap. 
 
4. Allen isn't a football lifer; he seems to actually have interests outside the game and while his threat to retire instead of play for less than he's worth is almost certainly posturing, it also in some microscopic way knocks him down a bit with Belichick and his love of guys who eat, drink and sleep football. I could be entirely wrong about Allen and I don't particularly know whether Peppers is a lifer, but it is one of the little things that could be an entry in the "Con" list. 
 
5. I think this is a rotational job. Allen may want to play all the time. And I don't think the guy they sign to rotate with Ninkovich and provide Jones insurance is going to play all the time. This was the problem with Abraham last season, no?  Ninkovich is a valuable cog in the machine and can certainly move around if necessary to accommodate a talent like Allen but I also don't think the Pats paid Ninkovich $2.85M against this year's cap to be a backup to two full-time DEs (Jones & whomever). 
 
All this stuff, the cost foremost. But would just add that when I've seen Allen it seems like he's one of those all in for the rush guys who doesn't care about the run and seems to get a lot of cheap sacks. Peppers is bigger and doesn't get pushed around in the run game, and seems to come up big in big moments. I say that while also acknowledging that this is based on irregular watching of the Vikings and Bears so may well be a small sample size impression.