Incomplete. I think you should count the move from 13 to 15 since it bagged Rodgers. My math says that is worth 10,000 draft chart points.
I would understand being upset, but for teams like Houston that have been mired recently, as a fan would also appreciate the swings they took last night. Old colleague Ossefort put one over Casserio, but they can dream on blue chippers on both sides of the ball. It's a risky approach that has a good chance of running aground, but fans don't get fired so what do they care as long as their team is trying to improve? They could also potentially make another move for a CB here on day 2.
I think having Cleveland’s 2024 1st factored into Houston’s decision but it’s pretty clear to me that Houston knows they gave up a top 10 pick and another 3rd. They’re going to suck. They know it. But they just have to not finish dead last and then it’s not the biggest deal. Losing the Williams bounty or Williams himself would be painful.
Brain fart. Yes.
Don't the Texans also own the Browns pick next year? I thought that was the pick they dealt, not their own.
All time absurd pick by Detroit.
Campbell was 17th overall on my non-adjusted for positional value board.
I think it won't be looked at that way because I'm confident both guys will be good players, but the positional value surplus was just awful.
Was honestly shocked that the Bears didn't take Gonzalez there. I get the whole "protect the franchise" thing, but Gonzo was BPA at a position of need for them.
Detroit's picks were bad. There is no analysis that could signify otherwise. They just signed David Montgomery and they still have Swift and they drafted a RB with their 12th pick, doing the opposite of filling a need and loading up on the least important position in the NFL. There is only one ball.
I agree. I know the picks aren’t made in a vacuum. If they walked away with Gibbs at 20-something, Campbell at 30, and stocked 2 extra second rounders, it looks less terrible. Not good, but not awful.
Yes. Picking Porter would be a waste. He is also not really a great fit for a press-man cover-1 team vs a press-zone team, right? Because with press-man you HAVE to be able to handle in-breakers unless they are running like cover-1 cross or something. Porter is more a traditional PC Seattle cover-3 press zone dude.
Gonzalez had been plummeting down draft boards for a while. In truth, I think he is pretty darned good, but I understand what seems to be the consensus opinion that he may not be a guy who can be elite. The Bears on the other hand, face up against some teams that can really rush the passer (and don't have much else). It struck me as a decent pick. Not sexy, but decent.
What's the thing that might keep him from being elite? He's got size, speed, quickness, fluidity, cover skills, and can track the ball with the best of them. He might not be an A+ level tackler/hitter, but other than that, he's got literally everything you'd want in a corner.
If people evaluated him in the league the same way you are, he doesn’t make it to 17. Stingley and Sauce went 3&4 in a stronger class so the evidence seems to point to Yammer being correct. That doesn’t mean Gonzalez won’t be awesome but it does mean what Yammer is saying appears to be true.
His film is on par with anybody's that has come out in the last couple years. He's fluid, extremely athletic, and has great ball skills. The issue with him is that he isn't as flashy or plays with as much of an edge as Witherspoon and a lot of coaches like corners that play a more physical style of game rather than what Gonzalez does. He is a top 5 talent in this draft, but slipped in part to some wonky picks (Detroit's 2 in particular) that came out of left field. He needs to get a little stronger and improve his play in zone, but I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't develop into a #1 corner.
I don’t scout college players but this logic seems suspect. Teams seemed to want to move back, so why did no one come up to get Gonzalez if he is a top 5 talent? If he doesn’t have medical or character concerns, how does a top 5 talent go 17? Also from the college ball I do watch, he doesn’t seem better than Young, Carter, or Robinson so who is the only other player you have over him?
He has no character concerns that is for sure. Medically, he's fine. He missed 1 game in his career and that is because he opted out of Oregon's bowl game. The reasons I think he fell I listed above.
How did Wilfork drop, he was a monster in college had no concerns, how did Aaron Rodgers slide, sometimes teams just talk themselves out of a guy, or they talk themselves into a position need. Part of the slide was pretty clearly that teams needed OT and felt the drop to the next tier was worse overall than the drop in CB (it's a deep class), only 2 CB went before him, 1 was the guy some felt was the best in the class, a top 5 talent as well, and the other was a very different type of player (Cover 3 experienced ballhawk gambler, vs. pure cover guy).
So…. What do you think is the thing that makes this otherwise elite CB….. not elite?
Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley were drafted last year. Prior to that you had Surtain and Horn, and the year before that you had Okudah and.....some other guy I forget who was tremendous. His film doesn't even sniff these guys, even player to be named later. He is a pretty darned good CB, and a really nice pick at the position. But let's not be silly.
He will be the best player of Colombian descent to play in an NFL defensive backfield.
A decent case could be made that no team was evaluated more poorly than the Miami Hurricanes when they were at the top of the heap. So many over and under drafts......
