Yoan Moncada signs with Red Sox($30 Million)

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Holy shit. Love it love it.... 
 
How good is Moncada? He has more upside than Cuban outfielder Rusney Castillo, who just reached a $72.5 million deal with the Red Sox. He’s better than Cuban outfielder Yasmany Tomas, who’s in the Dominican Republic but is still likely several months away from free agency. If Moncada were eligible for the 2015 draft, he would be in the mix to be the No. 1 overall pick. Gourriel and Despaigne would be safer bets, but there’s no player in Cuba with Moncada’s combination of youth, tools and hitting ability.
Moncada generated excitement in the scouting community in October 2010 at the COPABE Pan American 16U Championships in Mexico, then again in August 2011 when he dominated the 16U World Championship in Mexico, where he earned all-star honors at third base by hitting .417/.563/.667 in seven games.
 

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I literally just yelped with glee.  I don't remember the last time I legitimately made a noise like that.
 

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This is awesome news.  There are fewer and fewer opportunities for the Red Sox to flex their financial advantage, so inking Moncada is a big win.  
 

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hats off to Luis Tiant and Ben Cherington and most importantly John Henry.
This should be an exciting story to follow.

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Amazing deal keeps him away from the Bronx.
 

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Wow... I did NOT expect that.
 
Wondering if this marks the end of the high-spending MFY we all know and love (to hate)?  I can't figure out why they wouldn't be all in on Moncada -- they have the need, and they have the money*... and even moreso because the money to be invested doesn't 100% all apply to the cap.
 
* -- unless they don't have the money?  Could the Steinbrenner/MFY finances possibly not be as rosy as you'd sure imagine they are right now?
 

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I had a  hard time seeing where he'd fit if he wasn't a SS and wanted a clear path to the big leagues, but talent is talent. They can figure out where to put him when he makes it an issue.
I agree with the sentiment that when you can get talent, you don't worry too much about this, as well as the fact that when talking about positions several years down the line there's a lot of things that can happen. having said that, several reports from the other thread seemed to indicate that he might be more of a 2b/3b than SS down the road.  In which case, there's at least a few possibilities (e.g., pablo to DH post-ortiz, with moncada at 3b).
 

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Incredible stuff by the FO. They have such depth in their offense... giving them such flexibility in the trade market or potential injury issues.
 

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Cuban top infield prospect Yoan Moncada has agreed to a record-setting bonus with the Red Sox, according to an industry source.
The agreement is pending a physical. The club has not confirmed the deal, which is believed to be in the $30 million range.


The infielder's deal puts the 19-year-old in line to smash the $8.27 million bonus record for an international amateur under the current guidelines, which was given to right-hander Yoan Lopez by the D-backs in January.
It is believed Moncada considered offers from five teams before choosing Boston. He worked out privately for the Brewers, Cubs, D-backs, Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Tigers and Yankees during the past six weeks, according to industry sources.
Because he is not yet 23 years old and did not play in a Cuban professional league for at least five seasons, Moncada is subject to Major League Baseball's international signing guidelines, under which each team is allotted $700,000 and an additional bonus pool based on the team's record the previous year to be used during the international signing period. The current period started July 2 and ends on June 15.
According to those guidelines, clubs are penalized during the upcoming 2015-16 signing period if they exceed their bonus pools by certain amounts. The Red Sox had already exceeded their bonus pool before this signing and been given the maximum penalty. It's a severe measure that includes a 100-percent tax on their pool overage and prohibits them from signing any pool-eligible player for more than $300,000 during the next two signing periods. Including the penalty for exceeding their bonus pool, Moncada's deal will cost the Red Sox approximately $60 million -- the bonus plus the penalty.
The Red Sox have until July 15 to pay the overage tax and up to three years to pay Moncada's bonus.
 
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/110016130/red-sox-agree-to-terms-with-yoan-moncada
 

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I have no idea what position Moncada will play in the majors, but right now, his most valuable position may be Trade Chip.  That suggests keeping him at SS until he a) proves he can't handle it or b) is needed in Boston at another position.
 
Note: I'm not suggesting we immediately turn around and deal him.  But if (IF!) Bogaerts figures it out at SS, Pedroia returns to being Pedroia at 2B, Sandoval looks like he has some staying power at 3B, and Betts/Castillo settles in at CF, it's easy to imagine Moncada being the centerpiece of a big, big trade next winter or at the 2016 deadline or whatever.
 

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Well, isn't X-man a Boras guy? Pretty much means in 4-5 years (whenever his FA hits), he's out of here.
Why is that a given? If he develops into the SS people envision, that's a guy you try and keep around, regardless of his representation.
 

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Very, very sweet.  Loading up on talent.  Expensive, yes.  But my god look at the depth this organization has in every way now.  
 
An embarrassment of riches.  
 

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johnnywayback said:
I have no idea what position Moncada will play in the majors, but right now, his most valuable position may be Trade Chip.  That suggests keeping him at SS until he a) proves he can't handle it or b) is needed in Boston at another position.
 
Note: I'm not suggesting we immediately turn around and deal him.  But if (IF!) Bogaerts figures it out at SS, Pedroia returns to being Pedroia at 2B, Sandoval looks like he has some staying power at 3B, and Betts/Castillo settles in at CF, it's easy to imagine Moncada being the centerpiece of a big, big trade next winter or at the 2016 deadline or whatever.
I doubt they just paid $60 million for a trade chip. Hanley can move to first when Napoli leaves and Moncada can play left.
 

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Unreal. This is the best news all off-season. Even if it doesn't work out this is exactly the type of Risk Big Market teams should make, especially since they are already over the bonus limit and locked out of the International Market the next 2 years
 

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Cuban top infield prospect Yoan Moncada has agreed to a record-setting bonus with the Red Sox, according to an industry source.
 
The agreement is pending a physical. The club has not confirmed the deal, which is believed to be in the $30 million range.
 
The infielder's deal puts the 19-year-old in line to smash the $8.27 million bonus record for an international amateur under the current guidelines, which was given to right-hander Yoan Lopez by the D-backs in January.
 
It is believed Moncada considered offers from five teams before choosing Boston. He worked out privately for the Brewers, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Tigers and Yankees during the past six weeks, according to industry sources.
 
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/110016130/red-sox-agree-to-terms-with-yoan-moncada
 

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First wave of posts are berating/lamenting their FO and ownership.
I was just coming to post this... nothing there accusing Sox of cheating, nor of Moncada actually being the next Craig Grebeck.  It's all (surprisingly accurate and mature, from my POV) disappointment and confusion at the MFY masterplan.
 
My favorite so far:
 
 


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Cashman must have got Hal absolutely hammered to approve the Tanaka signing.
 

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@BenBadler: Once it's official, Yoan Moncada immediately becomes Boston's new No. 1 prospect, and the No. 10 prospect in baseball.
 

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Here's Badler detailing all the tools 
 
http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/yoan-moncada-agrees-sign-with-red-sox/
 
As an 18-year-old, he joined the Cuban national team in the Netherlands in July 2013 to play in the World Port Tournament, though he played sparingly there. Two months later, he was a standout on the Cuban junior national team in Taiwan at the 18U World Championships, where he batted .375/.483/.542 in 29 plate appearances, leading the Cuban team in batting average, OBP and slugging. (Here’s video of him facing several high 2014 draft picks from Team USA in that tournament.)
“He’s electric,” said one scout. “When I saw him at the 18U World Championship in Taiwan, he did what good hitters do. He has tools, he’s athletic and he has a chance to hit for power. It’s bat speed that you don’t see except from the select few. The guy has different bat speed from everyone else, period. It’s a beautiful swing too from the left side, which is better than his righthanded swing.”
Meanwhile, back in Cuba, Moncada was tearing up the junior national leagues in Cuba. In the country’s 16U national league in 2011, Moncada hit .500/.643/.918 in 158 trips to the plate. He led the league in batting average, OBP, slugging, home runs (8) and walks (37) and stole 15 bases without getting caught. When he moved up to Cuba’s 18U national league in 2012, he again ranked first in batting average, OBP and slugging with a .434/.543/.648 slash line in 152 plate appearances and stole 20 bases in 24 attempts.
Moncada made his Serie Nacional debut in 2012-13 for Cienfuegos, where he played second base in an infield with Jose Abreu at first base and Erisbel Arruebarrena at shortstop. Even at 17, Moncada hit well, batting .283/.414/.348 in 172 plate appearances. He showed his speed, with 13 stolen bases in 18 tries, and by beating Rusney Castillo and Guillermo Heredia in a race around the bases during the skills competition of the all-star game.
 

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We could debate the meanings of "probably" and "given" ........but that would be boring and wind up being inconclusive anyway. The operating plan for Boras clients seems to be test the market when they can and take the highest dollars. The majority of his clients have gone this route and I think X-man will do the same. My core point is that the Sox will find a spot for Moncana without much of a problem when the time comes.
 

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I doubt they just paid $60 million for a trade chip. Hanley can move to first when Napoli leaves and Moncada can play left.
I'd say it just gives a ton of options all the way around really.  If Moncada or Cecchini looks legit at 3B they can move Sandoval to 1B after Napoli leaves.  If instead Moncada looks bets suited to an outfield spot, be that LF or RF, they can move him there with Hanley going to DH in place of Ortiz.
 
Moncada probably needs at least one year in the minors, probably more like 1.5-2 if he's going to be truly ready.  They have two spots in the lineup (1B with Napoli and DH with Ortiz) as well as an OF spot (Victorino) opening up after this season.  If those three spots are filled with Moncada, Cecchini, and Bradley in some fashion while Betts and Bogaerts hit like they have the potential to this could be a very good, very young team.  If Cecchini, Bradley, or Moncada look further away following 2015 the club can either pursue a FA fit or look to extend Napoli/talk Ortiz into another year (I don't imagine it would take much arm twisting).
 
The more I think about it the more it seems clear that the 4-5 year deals for Sandoval and Hanley are basically the offensive bridge while the wave of young talent gets it together, as opposed to the 2013 method of just assuming the highly touted youngsters would hit from day one.
 

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I have no idea what position Moncada will play in the majors, but right now, his most valuable position may be Trade Chip.  That suggests keeping him at SS until he a) proves he can't handle it or b) is needed in Boston at another position.
 
Note: I'm not suggesting we immediately turn around and deal him.  But if (IF!) Bogaerts figures it out at SS, Pedroia returns to being Pedroia at 2B, Sandoval looks like he has some staying power at 3B, and Betts/Castillo settles in at CF, it's easy to imagine Moncada being the centerpiece of a big, big trade next winter or at the 2016 deadline or whatever.
No way in hell.  This is a 19 year old 5 tool stud.  By the time he's ready, 1b and/or DH will more than likely be available.  Hanley could move to first, Pablo could be the DH, etc.  They'll find a place for this kid if he's as good as they think he is.
 

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It never works out perfectly but the young offensive talent throughout the organization is ridiculous right now, and they'll be adding the #7 pick in June.
 
The Yankees got a lot of credit for hoarding most of the top IFA talent last summer but I'd rather blow way past the bonus limit with one Moncada over a group of 16 year olds.
 

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Well, isn't X-man a Boras guy? Pretty much means in 4-5 years (whenever his FA hits), he's out of here.
 
By 4-5, you mean 8-9. So yes, he will probably be gone as a 28 year old free agent in 9 years.