Yankees Trade for Frazier, Robertson And Kahnle
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There are some rumors on Twitter that the 4th guy is Tito Polo which would hurt a little even though I have him probably sixth in line currently for NY's OF (and that does not include Gardner/Ellsbury or Fowler). I am hoping that those stem from the fact that Tampa finished a suspended game from June today, and so the box score looks like he was pulled midgame when in reality he was promoted a few weeks ago. He is a fun player, an athletic CF they got last year from PIT for Nova, he has been crushing it at the time of the lineup with Mateo in AA in recent weeks.
So the fourth player is a prospect, not a veteran, no surprise (but would have been happy to dump Headley):
Joel ShermanVerified account @Joelsherman1 3m3 minutes ago
When/if finalized: #whitesox will be getting 4 players from #Yankees: Rutherford, Clarkin, Clippard and 1 more prospect.
Joel ShermanVerified account @Joelsherman1 3m3 minutes ago
When/if finalized: #whitesox will be getting 4 players from #Yankees: Rutherford, Clarkin, Clippard and 1 more prospect.
Jack CurryVerified account @JackCurryYES 11m11 minutes ago
Teams love relievers who pile up strikeouts. K/9 avgs this year. Betances 16.9. Kahnle 15. Chapman 13.9. DRob 12.7. Green 12.3. Warren 8.8.
Teams love relievers who pile up strikeouts. K/9 avgs this year. Betances 16.9. Kahnle 15. Chapman 13.9. DRob 12.7. Green 12.3. Warren 8.8.
Absolute steal for the Yankees. 3 major leaguers for 3 mediocre prospects and the guy the'd DFA to make room for Kahnle and Robertson. It's like one of those quantity over quality deals that people deride on the main board. Of course, the Red Sox system is so barren they can't even match the nothingburger offered up by Cashman.
What's an equivalent Red Sox package? Groome, Lakins, Abad and a flier? Anyone really want to have paid that? Rutherford is the number 36 prospect in baseball according to BA. I think Frazier is better despite being ranked lower, and would have been a steeper price, but the idea that the White Sox got "three mediocre prospects" is preposterous.
It isn't just the trades for Kimbrell and Sale.
It's the unmitigated disaster of the Thornburg trade.
It's blowing a top 10 pick on Trey Ball
It's taking Alan Craig instead of a prospect package for Lackey. (Unless you think Craig was the cost of Kelly)
It's getting caught flaunting the rules and having an entire class of international signings declared free agents.
With all due respect, can we keep this more focused on this trade and its direct ramifications? Thanks.
Dan HayesVerified account @CSNHayes 13m13 minutes ago
Going back to mid-August, Tommy Kahnle is at 78 strikeouts and 13 walks in his last 52 innings.
Going back to mid-August, Tommy Kahnle is at 78 strikeouts and 13 walks in his last 52 innings.
The Yankees have acquired 3B Todd Frazier, along with relievers David Robertson and Tommy Kahnle. They have given up prospects Blake Rutherford and Ian Clarkin, as well as Tyler Clippard. There is no official word yet if the Yankees are giving up a fourth player.
Andrew Marchand, ESPN Senior Writer
Bryan HochVerified account @BryanHoch 5m5 minutes ago
"I rooted for the Yankees. My first (game) was old Yankee Stadium. I remember the upper deck was shaking." - Todd Frazier
"I rooted for the Yankees. My first (game) was old Yankee Stadium. I remember the upper deck was shaking." - Todd Frazier
Definitely a good deal for the yanks. Dumping clippard is a huge plus, perhaps the 2nd best part of the deal for them behind getting Khanle.
Perhaps, but neither Polo not Clarkin would have been protected in the rule 5 draft, and thus would have been Padres next year
Polo I think definitely would have been, he has been running wild since being promoted to AA. Clarkin I agree with, too many guys ahead of him. I've been keeping a running list for the 40 man roster this winter and will update that thread once the Yankees make their roster moves tomorrow.
They don't really but they needed to offset the salary a bit and they have a very inexperienced bullpen now so he can tutor them for a few months. He's only really clogging a roster spot until Sept. 1 and he's a FA at the end of the year.
They didn't, but taking his contract helps the Yankees and might have helped get better prospects from NY
Seems like a very one sided trade, with all three pieces going to the MFYs being potentially quite useful.
That the Sox couldn't or wouldn't offer more for these three players is curious. Perhaps they didn't actually covet Frazier but if they did, was it the lux tax? Or, as I suspect, just not having valued prospects that they are prepared to trade? I guess it was probably a combination of both.
However you slice it, this seems like a win on the merits for Cashman and a nice bonus of playing keep away from the team the Yankees are chasing.
That the Sox couldn't or wouldn't offer more for these three players is curious. Perhaps they didn't actually covet Frazier but if they did, was it the lux tax? Or, as I suspect, just not having valued prospects that they are prepared to trade? I guess it was probably a combination of both.
However you slice it, this seems like a win on the merits for Cashman and a nice bonus of playing keep away from the team the Yankees are chasing.
He seems better than his stats suggest
He is hitting only .207 but, with Greg Bird probably out for the rest of the season, the Yankees wanted an upgrade over Garrett Cooper and Ji-Man Choi. Frazier has been much better away from Guaranteed Rate Field, hitting .267 with a .923 OPS compared to .142 and .585 at home.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/96772/self-proclaimed-winners-yankees-believe-theyre-better-for-the-white-sox-trade
1. The Yankees have had among the majors’ worst production at first and third base this season. Frazier is hitting just .207, but his .214 average on balls in play is low enough to suggest he has hit into bad luck, particularly because his 18.9 line drive percentage is similar to the 19.3 for his career. In the last big deal between these teams, in November 2008, the Yankees obtained Nick Swisher despite his poor 2007 stats, in part, because they believed his low ball-in-play numbers made him a strong rebound candidate.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/19/seven-takeaways-from-yankees-big-trade-with-white-sox/
I think the bullpen pieces, with 5 years of total control left, is the part of the deal I think greatly affects this years race and the next couple years. Those are big time arms down there that can go 5 deep now. Very impressive.
The Red Sox didnt have the "prospect depth" to make a trade like this. Using their top prospects would have been an overpay. But if the Sox did have that level of prospects, they wouldnt have Sale, or Kimbrel, or Pomeranz, and probably wouldn't be considering a trade like this anyway because they likely would not be contending.
QFT. And if for whatever reason the Yankees falter next year, those contracts make it very easy for Cashman to flip those guys, either to fill a hole or load up on more prospects. Cashman continues to really annoy me.
I think it allows Cashman to start shopping Betances right now, and if he can get a premium package for him, he can move him right away and not worry about it leaving too big a hole for Girardi. Betances is under control through 2019.
Axe grinder's gonna grind.
So what happens to Headley now? Dump him for a bag of balls? Or, tying into some of your posts in here, package him with Betances for something?
Would they dump him to the Sox and pick up most of the freight?
As of this second, Headley is platooning at 1B with Cooper, but he could easily be replaced by Choi in that rule, they're expecting Bird back next spring if not this September (we'll see, not holding my breath). Next year, NY will have Torres and Andujar for 3B, so I'm sure Cashman would be happy to get out of as much of Headley's 2018 salary as he could, now or in the offseason.
He's way closer and he ideally is their 3B in 2019 and beyond, unless they move Castro before then (2018: Torres at 3B, Andujar in the minors, 2019: Torres at 2B, Andujar at 3B).