Yankees sign Chase Headley for 4/$52M

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I'd be shocked if that 4/65 story was true.
 
Seems that every single Yankee who signs had a much bigger offer elsewhere. Does not compute.
 


I'd much rather have Headley for 4/$52M than Sandoval for 5/$95M.
 
Yup. Sox FO fudged this one.
 

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IpswichSox said:
Assuming Beltran is starting DH, where does A-Rod play? Does he rotate DH-3B? (I don't particularly, just curious.)
 
Beltran should be starting in RF, I'd think. A-Rod would be the first choice at DH, but Cashman doesn't want to count on him for anything. Now if he can't hit anymore, NY can move Prado to RF and let Refsnyder have a shot at 2B. 
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
Seems that every single Yankee who signs had a much bigger offer elsewhere. Does not compute.
 
Well, Miller definitely got offered more by HOU, no one debated that. I agree that this one is decidedly more dubious, since the team with the alleged offer never leaked and that was a couple of weeks back. 
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
Bob Nightengale was on MLBN last week and dropped the nugget that A-Rod might not even be a Yankee come spring training.
 
This signing certainly makes that a lot more possible from a personnel standpoint. 
 

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I don't quite see the appeal of Chase Headley at age 31+. Fangraph's loved his defense in 2014 but it seems weird to me that he would have his best defensive year now.
 

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Outstanding.  I like every move made so far.  Now let's see what Cashman can do to get some more starting pitching. 
 

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I don't quite see the appeal of Chase Headley at age 31+. Fangraph's loved his defense in 2014 but it seems weird to me that he would have his best defensive year now.
I mean, we know one year of defensive metrics can be screwy, but he's been good by the ratings ever since they stopped putting him in left field.
 
DRS has him 30 runs above average total over 2010-14, UZR has him at +48 over the same period.
 

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rembrat said:
I don't quite see the appeal of Chase Headley at age 31+. Fangraph's loved his defense in 2014 but it seems weird to me that he would have his best defensive year now.
 
He's been a consistent plus defender at the position outside an injury shortened 2011. Last year was pretty much in line with what he he did in 2010 (according to fangraphs), so it wasn't exactly unprecedented. 
 

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Toe Nash said:
I mean, we know one year of defensive metrics can be screwy, but he's been good by the ratings ever since they stopped putting him in left field.
 
DRS has him 30 runs above average total over 2010-14, UZR has him at +48 over the same period.
 
Just by the eye test, he was spectacular ln his third of a season in NY. 
 

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I don't think there's any doubt that Headley is a good defensive 3B at this point.  But I think it's far from certain that he'll be a solid offensive contributor, especially as he heads into his mid thirties.
 

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foulkehampshire said:
Last year was pretty much in line with what he he did in 2010 (according to fangraphs), so it wasn't exactly unprecedented. 
 
My point is that his 2014 was better than his 2010 according to Fangraphs.. Does this happen often? 
 

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Yup, the MFYs got a great deal here.  It will be interesting to see how well this guy ages.
 

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My point is that his 2014 was better than his 2010 according to Fangraphs.. Does this happen often? 
Yes, because defensive metrics can get screwy in samples sizes of a year or less.
 

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Bob Nightengale was on MLBN last week and dropped the nugget that A-Rod might not even be a Yankee come spring training.
 
 
Meaning what? The Yanks cut him? Pay heavy freight to trade?
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
Seems that every single Yankee who signs had a much bigger offer elsewhere. Does not compute.
 
 
 
 
Yup. Sox FO fudged this one.
Perhaps, however, we don't know Chase Headley's mental state. The fact that he signed 4/52, when Nick Markakis is getting 4/55, leads me to believe that he signed at a discount and preferred to stick with the Yankees.
 
FWIW, steamer is projecting Chase to have a fWAR of 3.9 next year. Assuming the standard 0.5 fWAR drop/year, Chase is projected to have a fWAR of 10.2 over the first three years of the contract. Even if Chase collapses in the fourth year, this contract may still be an underpay.
 
EDIT: Not sure if this was posted elsewhere, but probably good reading for those who are optimistic regarding Chase's future performance.
 

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Good signing for the Yankees. 
 
The Yanks/Cashman seem to do quite well signing/trading for solid players like this: 2-4 WAR players with relatively modest contracts.  However, their love for overpaying big names absolutely crushes them, not to mention that pesky bit about developing a quality farm system, which of correlates, in part, to their love of the big names/contracts.
 

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Harry Hooper said:
 
 
Meaning what? The Yanks cut him? Pay heavy freight to trade?
If the Yankees can save ANY $$ in getting rid of ARod, that has to be considered a win for them. 
 

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Absolute steal.
Even assuming he declines half a win per season it looks like this.
3.9
3.4
2.9
2.4
= 12.6
At 6.75 per WAR that comes out at $85 mill.
 

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I like Sandoval and I'm happy we have him, but this deal makes the signing look foolish.
 
MakMan44 said:
If the Yankees can save ANY $$ in getting rid of ARod, that has to be considered a win for them. 
 
Who would take him? I wouldn't take A-Rod unless it was to unload a contract like Carl Crawford. And even then, I'd only take A-Rod if he was absurdly subsidized to the point that I could flat out release him with minimal financial loss.
 

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I like Sandoval and I'm happy we have him, but this deal makes the signing look foolish.
 
It only looks foolish if you believe the Sox could have had him for something like this.  If he took less to play with NY, then maybe the Sox would have had to pony up 4/72 or something like that to get him.  Who knows?  
 
I know the board is kind of split on Headley/Panda in a vacuum.
 

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No ridiculous long term deals. Not overpaying for talent. Not giving up draft picks or young prospects.

I'm not sure I like these new smarter, fiscally responsible MFY.
 

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4 years of Headley plus 4 years of McCarthy costs only 5 mil more than 5 years of Sandoval.
 

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 I wouldn't take A-Rod unless it was to unload a contract like Carl Crawford. And even then, I'd only take A-Rod if he was absurdly subsidized to the point that I could flat out release him with minimal financial loss.
 
The only trade that I think makes sense is A-Rod to Philly for Ryan Howard.
 

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No ridiculous long term deals. Not overpaying for talent. Not giving up draft picks or young prospects.

I'm not sure I like these new smarter, fiscally responsible MFY.
 
Every now and then they have an offseason like this.
 
 
Then they go and spend 150 on 30yr old Ellsbury.
 

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However, their love for overpaying big names absolutely crushes them, not to mention that pesky bit about developing a quality farm system, which of correlates, in part, to their love of the big names/contracts.
With regard to the bolded, the Yankees have certainly had some ups and downs with regard to their farm system, but overall, the criticism is overstated, I think.  From a previous thread:
 
Here's Baseball America's organizational ranking for the Yankees over the years (I don't have a subscription, so I don't have the 2014 ranking, which I don't think was good):

2013: 11
2012: 13
2011: 5
2010: 22
2009: 15
2008: 5
2007: 5
2006: 17
2005: 24
2004: 27
2003: 17
2002: 5
2001: 7
2000: 1
1999: 3
1998: 9
We'll see if all those international signings last summer improve things at all over the next couple of years. I think things may be looking up on the farm.
 

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SemperFidelisSox said:
No ridiculous long term deals. Not overpaying for talent. Not giving up draft picks or young prospects.

I'm not sure I like these new smarter, fiscally responsible MFY.
 
It's only because they forced themselves into this position with their ill-fated attempt to get under $189M and then that series of ridiculous signings last offseason. They did seem to play the Headley situation perfectly, though. 
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
Bob Nightengale was on MLBN last week and dropped the nugget that A-Rod might not even be a Yankee come spring training.
 
He may not be in pinstripes, but he's a Yankee for life. Nice signing for Cashman. He even makes good contact down in the zone - Cherington must've known he was going back to New York all along. It would be nice if some Boston reporter would ask why they had no interest in him.
 

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Harry Hooper said:
 
 
Meaning what? The Yanks cut him? Pay heavy freight to trade?
 
I'd like to keep this thread to Headley and start another for A-Rod, but I just saw Nightengale again on MLBN, and he believes that A-Rod won't pass his physical. I have no idea if that's based on anything or just pure conjecture by him. 
 

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So the deal is 4/52, and Headley gets $1M extra for each season that he makes 550 PAs, so it could end up being 4/56. 

Also, FWIW:
 
https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES/status/544589087194484737
 

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NYCSox said:
I'd be shocked if that 4/65 story was true.
 
NFW Headley signs for less money with the Yankees when a starting spot is not assured.
 
 
RedOctober3829 said:
Bob Nightengale was on MLBN last week and dropped the nugget that A-Rod might not even be a Yankee come spring training.
 
And there's your starting spot.
 
If true, my guess is that the Yankees are going to try to void his contract. 
 

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Cherington must've known he was going back to New York all along. It would be nice if some Boston reporter would ask why they had no interest in him.
 
It may have been different had the Red Sox known that they could land Hanley Ramirez at 4/$88. 
 
It does seem strange that so few teams were in on Headley, given that no draft pick needed to be surrendered to sign him.
 

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YIKES, Cashman absolutely schooled Cherington on this deal.
 
If the Yankees turn around and sign Shields for 4 years @84MM, we have to ask ourselves would you rather have Headley/Miller/Shields OR Panda/Hanley?
 
I don't like my answer.
 

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benhogan said:
YIKES, Cashman absolutely schooled Cherington on this deal.
 
If the Yankees turn around and sign Shields for 4 years @84MM, we have to ask ourselves would you rather have Headley/Miller/Shields OR Panda/Hanley?
 
I don't like my answer.
as other posters said… He took less money to sign with the yankees...