Yankees acquire Martin Prado

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Prado has been bad this year, but at least he can play multiple positions. Is it too soon to DFA Drew? :)
 

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Are they just throwing shit against the wall now, to see what sticks?
 

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But a team can't carry all of these guys who can only play 2B/SS/3B. Prado can play OF too, but his bat really doesn't cut it out there. I need to bump the roster thread...
 

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Or they could stop playing the guy got an OPS+ of 81 over the last two seasons, who's also playing miserable defense.
 
The scary thing is that without checking the numbers, that could be Jeter or Roberts or Ichiro...
 

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lf Gardner
cf Ellsbury
rf Prado
1 Texiara
2 Drew
ss Jeter
3 Headley
C McCann
DH Beltran
 

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Prado has 1 career game in RF, Drew has 0 at 2B. And the scary thing is you might be right anyway!
 

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Oh my god, Prado is signed for $11M per year through 2016. I might need to find a new team to root for. 
 
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Yankees want to make sure the Red Sox don't have the worst OF SLG in the AL?
 
I don't get paying Martin Prado pro-rated 11 mil to play RF. Even if Ichiro is only makng 6.5
 

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Isn't the prospect they gave up for Prado supposed to be pretty good too?
 

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I don't know.  The rest of this season is a mess, but I can see what they might be doing for next year and beyond:
 
[SIZE=medium]C:  McCann (2015-2018, 2019 w/player option)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]1B:  Teixeira (2015-2016)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2B: Prado (2014-2016)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]SS:  Drew (?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]3B: Headley (?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]LF:  Gardner (2015-2018, 2019 w/club option)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]CF:  Ellsbury (2015-2020)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]RF:  Beltran (2015-2016)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]DH:  ARod (2015-2017)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Utility IF:  Ryan (2015, 2016 w/option)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]- I think Prado will be the starting 2B next year[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- They'll evaluate Drew to see if he is worth going after for SS[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- They'll try to re-sign Headley for 3B [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- ARod will serve as primary DH (if he sticks around)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- They'll hope that Beltran's elbow/shoulder problems get fixed and he'll be healthy enough to play RF most of the time[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Defense might be pretty good.  Some potential for offense too.   Looks like the outline of a plan at least.  [/SIZE]
 

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Are the Yankees taking on Prado's entire contract with any subsidizing?  And (if so) they gave a prospect, even if an insignificant one for this "privilege"?
 
I can't imagine another team in baseball taking on Prado's contract for free, via a waver claim, let alone giving something up for the right to do so. 
 

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They picked up Prado's whole deal, $11M per year for 2015/2016 and whatever he has left this year. I would be a lot more OK with it if they didn't have Refsnyder, who looks ready to contribute right now, hopefully even more so by next spring. 
 

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It's unlikely he hits enough to be an asset in RF, Gardner is in LF, and at 3B they already have whatever's left of A-Rod plus Headley who is better on both sides of the ball, so it will suck if this means he is gone. The only way you can justify the salary coming into the season is if Prado is your starter at 2B, and I would rather spend that money in one of their many other holes and give Refsnyder a real shot. 
 

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If Headly walks Prado can land at third and split DH/3B duties with ARod (or ARod could be released). He could spell an outfielder every so often. There is a lot of value in his versatility. And if Refsnyder can really hit, he will be on the club and playing, there is a enough dead weight (and maybe some of that dead weight could even be Prado if he doesn't pick things up) that I am not too worried about him being "blocked."
 

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The key there being "if Headley walks" which I think is a lot more likely to happen with Prado already on the roster, and I would much rather have Headley. This is an increasingly hard organization to root for. 
 

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CaptainLaddie said:
It makes no sense.  They're like vampires, drinking up big contracts.
 
 
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I don't know.  The rest of this season is a mess, but I can see what they might be doing for next year and beyond:
 
[SIZE=medium]C:  McCann (2015-2018, 2019 w/player option)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]1B:  Teixeira (2015-2016)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2B: Prado (2014-2016)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]SS:  Drew (?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]3B: Headley (?)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]LF:  Gardner (2015-2018, 2019 w/club option)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]CF:  Ellsbury (2015-2020)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]RF:  Beltran (2015-2016)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]DH:  ARod (2015-2017)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Utility IF:  Ryan (2015, 2016 w/option)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]- I think Prado will be the starting 2B next year[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- They'll evaluate Drew to see if he is worth going after for SS[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- They'll try to re-sign Headley for 3B [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- ARod will serve as primary DH (if he sticks around)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]- They'll hope that Beltran's elbow/shoulder problems get fixed and he'll be healthy enough to play RF most of the time[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]Defense might be pretty good.  Some potential for offense too.   Looks like the outline of a plan at least.  [/SIZE]
 
There certainly is a lot of dried up corpses.
 

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jon abbey said:
The key there being "if Headley walks" which I think is a lot more likely to happen with Prado already on the roster, and I would much rather have Headley. This is an increasingly hard organization to root for. 
 
The phrase "True Yankee" is one I can't stand, but of that lineup above, I only count three guys who I immediately associate with the Yankees: Gardner, Teixeira, and A-Rod.  That can't be good for the Yankees and it sure isn't good for a rivalry
 

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Wingack said:
If Headly walks Prado can land at third and split DH/3B duties with ARod (or ARod could be released). He could spell an outfielder every so often. There is a lot of value in his versatility. And if Refsnyder can really hit, he will be on the club and playing, there is a enough dead weight (and maybe some of that dead weight could even be Prado if he doesn't pick things up) that I am not too worried about him being "blocked."
So the Yankees are essentially paying 16.5 million (11 million base salary plus 50% luxury tax) for a utility player?  One who's averaged an OPS of about .725 the last few years, and probably a 1.5 WAR? (I am too lazy to look up the actual numbers)  And you and other yankee fans have no problem with it?
 
I always knew their spending was out of control, but this takes it to a whole new level
 
edit:  I did a quick check of the numbers.  Prado's BWAR the past few years, excluding his career year of 2012, is more around 2-3 than the 1.5 I expected.  His contract is still an overpayment, but not the egregious one I originally thought.  In other words, for the Yankees, paying 16.5 million for 2 WAR or so is simply par for the course.
 

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The Yankees position players are pretty much set for 2015.  If they like Drew, they will probably bring him back at SS.  I have heard that they have a young guy in AAA for 2b, but I don't remember his name.  They are a little worried about his defense, but like his bat.  They are set at C.  They have Prado and A-Rod for 3b.  Gardner, Ellsbury, and Beltran in the OF.
 
The Yankees biggest uncertainty going into next year is in the starting rotation.  Tanaka will probably miss the entire season, but the Yankees will recover insurance money for his contract.  Sabathia is terrible.  Pineda can't be counted on.  Nova is nothing great.  Kuroda probably not coming back.  It appears that Phelps will be their ace in 2015!  Thus, we can be certain that the Yankees will throw 150 to 170 million at either Lester or Scherzer.  They want to hold on to their first round pick, and so I think they make a huge offer for Lester, who will anchor their rotation.  They will then look to sign some mid-rotation guys who won't cost a draft pick.
 

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FanSinceBoggs said:
The Yankees position players are pretty much set for 2015.  If they like Drew, they will probably bring him back at SS.  I have heard that they have a young guy in AAA for 2b, but I don't remember his name.  They are a little worried about his defense, but like his bat.  They are set at C.  They have Prado and A-Rod for 3b.  Gardner, Ellsbury, and Beltran in the OF.
 
The Yankees biggest uncertainty going into next year is in the starting rotation.  Tanaka will probably miss the entire season, but the Yankees will recover insurance money for his contract.  Sabathia is terrible.  Pineda can't be counted on.  Nova is nothing great.  Kuroda probably not coming back.  It appears that Phelps will be their ace in 2015!  Thus, we can be certain that the Yankees will throw 150 to 170 million at either Lester or Scherzer.  They want to hold on to their first round pick, and so I think they make a huge offer for Lester, who will anchor their rotation.  They will then look to sign some mid-rotation guys who won't cost a draft pick.
 
I addressed this precise topic in a different thread yesterday:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/84844-ny-in-2015-looking-ahead/
 
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Wingack said:
If Headly walks Prado can land at third and split DH/3B duties with ARod (or ARod could be released). He could spell an outfielder every so often. There is a lot of value in his versatility. And if Refsnyder can really hit, he will be on the club and playing, there is a enough dead weight (and maybe some of that dead weight could even be Prado if he doesn't pick things up) that I am not too worried about him being "blocked."
being able to split DH "duties" makes a baseball player versatile?
 

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Prado is pretty versatile.  He can play corner OF, 2B and 3B.  I don't know enough about him to say how competent he is at any of those positions, but he's certainly more than a 3B/DH.
 

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He can definitely play LF, he has only ever played two innings in RF in his career before starting there tonight. 
 

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Refsnyder is shaky at 2B. No reason for Prado not to play there until that changes, if that changes.