Yankees acquire Aroldis Chapman
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Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 2m2 minutes ago
There's no way Betances is in the deal. Can't imagine Miller is, either. So Yankees should have a serious 3-headed monster in the pen.
There's no way Betances is in the deal. Can't imagine Miller is, either. So Yankees should have a serious 3-headed monster in the pen.
Bob Nightengale @BNightengale 8s9 seconds ago
Considering that #Yankees about to get Chapman, Andrew Miller should soon be on move
Considering that #Yankees about to get Chapman, Andrew Miller should soon be on move
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 11s11 seconds ago
can confirm yanks are closing in on a deal for aroldis chapman @JackCurryYES 1st
can confirm yanks are closing in on a deal for aroldis chapman @JackCurryYES 1st
So, whatever came of the allegations that apparently derailed the LAD deal?
http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/12/07/aroldis-chapman-domestic-violence-allegations-dodgers-trade
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aroldis-chapman-s-girlfriend-alleged-he--choked--her--according-to-police-report-023629095.html?nf=1
http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/12/07/aroldis-chapman-domestic-violence-allegations-dodgers-trade
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/aroldis-chapman-s-girlfriend-alleged-he--choked--her--according-to-police-report-023629095.html?nf=1
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 3s3 seconds ago
Initial read I am getting is #Yankees plan to keep Miller, Betances and Chapman to form powerhouse end game
Initial read I am getting is #Yankees plan to keep Miller, Betances and Chapman to form powerhouse end game
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 24s25 seconds ago
#Yankees do anticipate that Chapman will deal with some kind of suspension for domestic abuse allegations #Reds
#Yankees do anticipate that Chapman will deal with some kind of suspension for domestic abuse allegations #Reds
Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 1m1 minute ago
Hearing Yankees will give up 4 minor league players for Chapman. But none from elite group of Sanchez, Judge, Mateo, Bird, etc.
Hearing Yankees will give up 4 minor league players for Chapman. But none from elite group of Sanchez, Judge, Mateo, Bird, etc.
Love this move, I think I was pressing for it in one of these threads after the Dodgers deal fell through. Jagielo can hit but is bad defensively, Renda was underwhelming after they got him last year, Cotham is just another arm. Rookie Davis is the biggest loss, but even he doesn't project to anything too special.
I forget the exact number, but if Chapman's suspension is long enough, NY gets him for 2017 also because his FA would be delayed.
I forget the exact number, but if Chapman's suspension is long enough, NY gets him for 2017 also because his FA would be delayed.
Love this move, I think I was pressing for it in one of these threads after the Dodgers deal fell through. Jagielo can hit but is bad defensively, Renda was underwhelming after they got him last year, Cotham is just another arm. Rookie Davis is the biggest loss, but even he doesn't project to anything too special.
I forget the exact number, but if Chapman's suspension is long enough, NY gets him for 2017 also because his FA would be delayed.
I forget the exact number, but if Chapman's suspension is long enough, NY gets him for 2017 also because his FA would be delayed.
Wow, did Chapman bone the Reds with his buffoonery. They went from looking for (and likely getting) something on par or better than what the Sox gave up for Kimbrel to having multiple teams walk away from them and having to settle for a middling prospect package just to be rid of him.
The back end of the Yankee pen is frightening.
The back end of the Yankee pen is frightening.
Aaron Gleeman @AaronGleeman
MLB leaders in xFIP since 2014:
1.82 - Andrew Miller
1.91 - Aroldis Chapman
2.09 - Kenley Jansen
2.13 - Dellin Betances
3 of 4 are Yankees.
Talk about a shut down back end.
MLB leaders in xFIP since 2014:
1.82 - Andrew Miller
1.91 - Aroldis Chapman
2.09 - Kenley Jansen
2.13 - Dellin Betances
3 of 4 are Yankees.
Talk about a shut down back end.
Coincidentally, those are the exact numbers Hughes2.50 projected for Joba as a starter.
It depends on how long he is suspended for... And Honestly, Im happy the Sox didn't trade for him (or try to after the allegations came out). He seems like someone I would have an extremely hard time rooting for given his massive character issues
Betances/Miller/Chapman may well be one of the best bullpen combinations of all time if they all continue to produce at their career rates.
Who's the best player the Reds came away with in the Frazier/Chapman deals? Jose Peraza? Really underwhelming returns on both deals for Cinci.
Rookie Davis isn't nothing, and Jagielo was a first round pick not that long ago who everyone thinks can definitely hit in the bigs, and it's only one year of Chapman (Kimbrel by comparison is under contract for three years). I still really like the move, but it's not like when they got Bobby Abreu from PHI for one obviously busted prospect.
Gave up nothing much and if Chapman is suspended for more than 45 days they have him for 2 years instead of 1. Only question is will they trade Miller?. Cashman says not but that could be posturing since earlier in the offseason he had announced that Miller could be traded, which made no sense unless they had a replacement, which they now have in Chapman
If they keep Miller I would say this move makes the Yankees 4 W's better since it makes the entire bullpen better (multiplier effect)
If they keep Miller I would say this move makes the Yankees 4 W's better since it makes the entire bullpen better (multiplier effect)
Cotham and Renda are garbage. The other two could be good in the bigs in 2-3 years. Especially Jagielo.
Steal for NY. Unless of course Chapman murders someone in the next 6 months.
Steal for NY. Unless of course Chapman murders someone in the next 6 months.
it is amazing how many teams ran like hell from Chapman when you see that that is all Cincy could have gotten for him.
Can you explain this? Obviously A-Rod is DH-only and Beltran should be DH-only, but that just means they have a shitty defensive RFer. Hicks is a defensive upgrade on Chris Young, Bird is now proven as a 1B backup if Tex has to go on the DL, Castro replaces Drew and is just as flexible (2B, backup SS, emergency backup 3B), and Ackley can play 2B/1B and I guess both outfield corners, plus they still have one bench spot open for a 1B/3B type.
It's likely that that is "all Cincy could have gotten for him" because a lot of teams ran like hell from him. Without the domestic violence thing hanging over him, Chapman is a Dodger right now (who knows, maybe a Red Sox), probably for a hell of a lot more than the Yankees gave up today.
With Tanaka/Severino/Sabathia/Pineda/Eovaldi this 3-headed monster may in fact spend lots of time together in the bullpen.
I meant the starting lineup. Presumably you trade Miller for someone that can slot right into the lineup unless you go the prospect route but that doesn't make sense if you're trying to win in 2016 which I assume they're doing by trading for Chapman. You can't move C, 1B, 2B, SS, CF, LF, RF, or DH. So I guess 3B? SS if you aren't sold on GG but I think they are. That's why I said it's not flexible.
Just a reminder of what was alleged:
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/police-domestic-disturbance-case-involving-pitcher-aroldis-chapman-is-closed-without-arrest-1.2128236
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/police-domestic-disturbance-case-involving-pitcher-aroldis-chapman-is-closed-without-arrest-1.2128236
Ah, OK, that I definitely agree with, and I don't think 3B is flexible either with Headley having 3/39 left on his deal. I agree they keep both Miller and Chapman until the trading deadline at least, and maybe even try to keep them together longer if they don't get bowled over by a trade package.
I would assume the Yankees checked in with Joe Torre to get a barometer on where MLB was going with this.
Obviously if that police report is factual he's total human garbage (who fires a gun randomly thru a closed window?) but jesus, what a bullpen the Yanks have for themselves if they truly will hold onto Miller.
If things go south for the Yankees, they should be able to trade him at the deadline for a a better prospect package.
Thanks to AJ Preller for turning down the Jorge Mateo+ for Kimbrel and the corpse of Gyorko deal last trading deadline, now NY has Castro in Gyorko's spot and Chapman in Kimbrel's (two years less control) and they still have Mateo.
Looking at this a bit more closely, I am reminded the Yankees recently traded Justin Wilson for not very much. Chapman was only 1.4 bWAR better than Wilson in 2015 .Wilson was pretty good last year. So the upgrade may not be as much as I first thought. Chapman supposedly is due to make 12.9 million next year per MLBTR, about 12 million more than Wilson will, which is 18 million with the tax (not counting any suspension that might be coming which could reduce that, but it would also reduce his WAR). Plus the prospects, although it remains to be seen how valuable they will be
Police did not file charges due to no physical evidence and inconsistent statements from witnesses. No video. Hard to imagine him being suspended very long, if at all.
Police did not file charges due to no physical evidence and inconsistent statements from witnesses. No video. Hard to imagine him being suspended very long, if at all.