I dunno, I think Bam is still looking for him.
Jesus fucking Christ.
He can't shoot, keeps his mouth shut, defends bigs well. All are nothing like Grant. I'm not sure what that I said is pissing you off so much. Maybe more smilies will help.
Your are spot on and my lazy post did a poor job. His price point in terms of a trade also tell you about his value. Aside from a few people hoping for a draft heist in three/four years and Lamar Stevens fans, he was available for pocket change and lint.
Plenty of guys like that find a role in the league. Tillman has enough skills and could be a system fit to the extent that the Celtics keep him around. I see it as a different flavor of Kornet.
I don’t know about that…before Kornet came to the Celtics I think he had literally 0 value.
EPM has Tillman as -0.1, heavily dinged by his inefficient shooting this year. Kornet at -1.8. LEBRON has them pretty similar, 0.17 for Luke, and 0.26 for Tillman.
All that makes sense, but my major point was that both of these guys are situational role players on a team like this. They are going to see matchup minutes and garbage time when the games really count.
Actually if you like grind em out teams, similar to how the early Brad Stevens teams played you can do far worse than Memphis.
Yeah, I was trying to be pretty specific about how bad/sad that game was to watch, and how little talent they have.
He’s not going to be Kornet-level cheap to keep around though especially if he finds a postseason role on this team. I know we talk about Wyc paying tax and everything but there has to be a limit somewhere.
Yeah, but in this case i do wonder if this can be spun as the Horford insurance for the next 2-3 years. Given he’s the most likely to fall off/get hurt/retire
If he's good enough, you start thinking about things like paying him, and then salary-dumping soon-to-be-then-39 year-old Horford.
Absolutely. But in order to do so CKXT had better spend his summer getting 3s up.
imo 3-point shooting for centers is very overrated on teams that can always put 4 other shooters on the floor.
I wouldn't be surprised to see his DARKO trend up with a change in scenery.
For this season, I could see things going various different ways with Tillman. I think he has the skillset to be a good backup big on this team, but he still is working on learning the system. Obviously he has to figure that out before he can be a regular playoff option. If he does, then his minutes could either come from Kornet or from Pritchard with the Celtics going to more of a consistent 2-big look. I think the latter is a real possibility if Pritchard's defense doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Right now they use a mix of 1- and 2- big lineups and Pritchard gets 20 minutes per game. If they go to more 2-big looks he is the guy who will lose minutes with Brown playing more at the 2 than the 3, Tatum more at the 3 than the 4. Previously, Grant and Horford both filled roles as bigs who could handle being switched out onto the perimeter. XT is bigger than Grant who was always a smallish big, but he can do some of that.
Agreed. 2BIGz Versatility to match up against larger frontlines (at the expense of PP)
Given the "reckless" way that Draymond plays, I'd just as soon have KP watch this one from the bench and see what XT can do in an extended run.
The year prior Tillman was starting and playing 30 mpg in the playoffs. This kid is far from a Queta-like stiff.
He's an elite defender in his physical prime.
Yep. A bunch of teams (OKC, 76ers) could have used Tillman, on a minimum deal, this season. Fantastic insurance policy.
He's been inactive since the ASB. With the arrival of Tillman, there aren't any minutes for him.
I think we'll end up a bit surprised at how high Tillman's number is ($6-8M/year?), but I also expect the Celtics to pay it, because he's much better than Kornet, can be a long-term solution at the backup 5 as Horford ages out, and Horford comes off the books after next season.
Hoping Brad extends Horford this summer (& signs Tillman to that number for multiple years)
I like Tillman as an addition.. but is he better than Kornet, let alone much better? Post 214 has their Darko charts.. and at the moment it looks like Kornet is actually the better player.
Break it down by offense and defense. Tillman is an elite defender by Darko, eye test, anything really.
I think Kornet is better on offense than Tillman while Tillman is better than Kornet defensively and DARKO shows that as well.
I’m not as familiar with how Darko works .. but to me their peaks look the same and Tilman’s peak was 200 games ago.. while Kornet is rising. I like both of them… just wonder if Luke is being undervalued. As he’s gotten minutes I feel like he’s gotten better. Decent rim protection and pretty much dunking anything on the offensive side. Tillman may fit in better in the long run.. maybe as a better passer… but I think they both bring something good to the table.
I’m happy they’re both here, you can never have enough bigs... nightmares of Perkins going down in the playoffs etc. CJM has seemed to have gotten a lot better with rotations.. and both of them have a great attitude about being ready whenever they get minutes.
On the flip side, I could see Al winning a Chip and retiring. A ring almost certainly cements his HOF creds.
We discussed Brad's bench approach before the season started. While the NBA media incessantly described the Celtics bench as weak, many of us didn't see it that way. Since Boston will play at least 2-3 All-Star level players you want your bench to be complimentary players who understand their roles & are extremely good at one thing. In Tillman's case, metrics show him to be an excellent defensive Center.
Yeah.. I think this is just a way of stating what I mean, but better said. I think Tilman brings a particular set of skills... different than Kornet's. But they're both complimentary to the team and the players we have. The bench may have been 'weak' to start the season, but when you have a starting five as good as they are, that can then be played with the bench in any number of configurations.. that bench doesn't look as bad. And you also have a sixth man that could start on other teams. With that said, I also think that Hauser, PP and Kornet have all improved fairly significantly this year. It helps that they're all a lot more open this year, but I also feel like they're playing with more confidence/have more experience. Adding another very serviceable player to that group is almost ridiculous.
Maybe, but he is signed for another year and clearly still has it. Lots of guys hang on with less than he brings.
