With Mayer in tow I think I’d still go with Judge, but YMMV. I think the world of Xander, but there’s a real risk that come 2024 he’s a .775 OPS kind of hitter without a real position. He may already be that kind of hitter on the road — he has a .787 OPS away from Fenway in 2021-22.
I've always liked homegrown players to stay with their original teams, so I'd like Judge to resign with NYY, but as a Sox fan, I'd like it to be a constricting $370M / 10 year contract.
I think this is right. Cashman won’t sit it out, and I doubt Judge would upend his life and crater his NY reputation for the difference between $260 and $280M or so. Even if he did, there’s likely other teams putting up that cash and the Cohen factor to consider.
This is peripheral to the Bogaerts conversation, but I suggest this is something you learn to get over. I'm not going to feel very dunked on for being optimistic that we spent a million and change to sign a utility guy coming off a 28HR season to be our 26th man, and I don't know how many times you wanna bring it up. If you've got an axe to grind with me, feel free to respond to the multiple times I've tried to chat with you via PM.
I don’t PM with people who publicly accuse me (and others who disagree) of racism and then don’t have the ounce of social sense it takes to just as publicly apologize.
Yes, sorry I wasn't clear. This is what I meant.
I don't disagree, but it would possibly make things interesting.
So……… is Boras saying yes please negotiate with us during the season or no don’t even bother because we aren’t negotiating during the season?
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I doubt it but at the same time, I'm not sure he gets a big 6 year deal. He can do better than 4/80 though. He'd have to get injured or finish the year in a bad JBJ level slump.
Just keep him at SS until Mayer is ready and move him to LF. Keep Story at 2nd. I kinda wonder how X would do at 3b with Devers at 1b but that's not going to happen for a lot of reasons.
I think he's a good bet to turn it around next year with an offseason of rest.
The question is how far around can he turn it. It's going to be interesting to see how these final 6 weeks play out in terms of Bogaert's confidence in choosing to opt out.
You don’t think this happens with pending free agents? I certainly do.
I mean, maybe. But doesn't St. Louis have a pre-arb, Gold Glove middle infielder in Tommy Edman who has already been worth 5 rWAR this season? And DeJong cheaply under contract for a few seasons? They have Arenado at 3B, a team OPS+ of 117 and a team ERA+ of 99.
They also have Masyn Winn in AA, who is by all accounts a world-class defensive shortstop.
Glad you and @nvalvo responded here. I have been watching the Cardinals quite a bit lately due to Pujols 700 chase, and didn’t really see a fit either. But that’s from a jet lagged prone position early in the morning in Australia.
I guess I'm just used to having statements presented as fact backed up by linked sources. Do agents get a sense of the landscape even before a player goes into free agency? You'd have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. But the way you put two and two together there, I thought maybe you had read something with some validity that you could share
He only gets one chance to opt-out. If he doesn't opt-out at the end of this season, his next chance at free agency is after 2025 (unless his option for 2026 vests). Considering his intention to opt-out has been clear since last winter, I expect his struggles this year aren't enough to change his mind.
Good to know. Didn’t realize not opting out now precludes him from opting out again next year. Thought he held those options exclusive of one another.
The collision was on May 20, when he was hitting: .326/.388/.465.
On July 6, when the article about the Cubs interest was published (first post of this thread) he was at .318/.391/.456, so his SLG dropped significantly during those 3 weeks. My guess is that’s where the trigger event is.
If he really wanted to he could essentially do this. If he opts out the Sox will certainly offer him a QO, and the QO would be about the same as his 2023 salary if he opts in so he could just accept it. Though I'm guessing if wanted a similar money type deal but with a player option for 2024 the Sox would give him that too.
