Xander's Injury

[nvalvo]

1) I don't remember bad defense from Holt. Could you show me the numbers?
2) I wish there were a thread with only news about X. I keep checking this only to find discussions of who may or may not make up for his absence.

It's actually hard to do (1), because he's played so little SS, stretched out over such a long time: he doesn't have anywhere close to the sample you'd need to say anything with any confidence.

In any case, what numbers we have are mixed. Ultimate Zone Rating (in tiny, meaningless samples) thinks he was okay, then awful, then great! Defensive Runs Saved hates him. In terms of raw numbers, in his Red Sox career — he never played SS above the minors for Pittsburgh — he has seen 64 balls hit to his zone, and recorded outs on 52 of them. That's a slightly better rate than Bogaerts, generally seen as meh-average with the glove. But then, it's also only about a month's worth of SS play, spread out over five seasons.

And while Marrero is good with the glove, he's useless otherwise. The pining over a AAAA utility player is a bit over the top, no?

If Bogaerts has to go on the DL, Tzu-Wei Lin is just as good a fill-in as Marrero would be.

Tzu-Wei Lin is a better player than Marrero — outside of one torrid season for the Sea Dogs. Lin is also 3/6 with 2 BB on the young Pawtucket season.

My move here would be to call up Two-Way, if Bogaerts hits the DL.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

And while Marrero is good with the glove, he's useless otherwise. The pining over a AAAA utility player is a bit over the top, no?

If Bogaerts has to go on the DL, Tzu-Wei Lin is just as good a fill-in as Marrero would be.

Yes, it's way over the top. Lin will be fine as a short term fill-in, which, hopefully, is all that is needed.

 

[shaggydog2000]

1) I don't remember bad defense from Holt. Could you show me the numbers?
2) I wish there were a thread with only news about X. I keep checking this only to find discussions of who may or may not make up for his absence.

In 88.17 innings at 2B he has a -5.2 UZR/150
In 875.2 innings at 3B he has a -10.1 UZR/150
In 214.2 innings at SS he has a 6.2 UZR/150
In 680 innings at LF he has a -4.3 UZR/150
In 465.2 innings at RF he has a 15.6 UZR/150
Overall in the OF he has a 2.2 UZR/150 in 1221.1 innings

I would say the SS numbers are in not enough innings to be predictive. And LF is always a bit weird in Fenway, so that may have effected his numbers there. But overall, he is below average as an infielder and a decent corner outfielder. His defensive value comes more from being able to play so many positions rather than being good at playing them. If he is that bad at 2b and 3b, I don't see how he would be a good SS, but for a game or two you could survive with him there if you had to and couldn't call up somebody else.

 

[Marbleheader]

No hay información nueva, el parece chipper.

 

[Curt S Loew]

No hay información nueva, el parece chipper.

No new information, but there's this from Brock Holt using the Google translate:

"I feel comfortable in the short stops"

So, I guess that's a bit of good news.

 

[Ale Xander]

No hay información nueva, el parece chipper.

Veo lo que hiciste allí.

 

[tonyarmasjr]

Holt's ability to play OF is a factor in his favor. And Holt at least was once able to hit adequately for a reserve, with 3 - 700 OPS seasons before last year's lost season.

Except it really isn't, since he isn't particularly great out there, when JDM, Swihart, Nunez, and Lin can also play the OF. There's no reason to carry 7 OFers, which they currently are, even with Nunez being the 2B.

And I think we expect all those guys, save Lin, to hit better than Holt. He's the last guy off the bench and doesn't provide anything that's different or better than the guys ahead of him.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

No comprendo. Muy no comprendo.

 

[tonyarmasjr]

And while Marrero is good with the glove, he's useless otherwise. The pining over a AAAA utility player is a bit over the top, no?

If Bogaerts has to go on the DL, Tzu-Wei Lin is just as good a fill-in as Marrero would be.

I don't argue the last point. But what role does Holt have on this team? He's pretty much useless, imo, when Nunez and Swihart (and eventually Hernandez) are preferable utility options. At least Marrero provides the glove, even if that doesn't make him super (or any/much more) valuable.

And if you're going to get rid of one for a bag of balls, at least save a million dollars doing it.

 

[Pozo the Clown]

And I think we expect all those guys, save Lin, to hit better than Holt. He's the last guy off the bench and doesn't provide anything that's different or better than the guys ahead of him.

Don't overlook the "flow". Or as The Eck would say "the moss."

 

[judyb]

I don't argue the last point. But what role does Holt have on this team? He's pretty much useless, imo, when Nunez and Swihart (and eventually Hernandez) are preferable utility options. At least Marrero provides the glove, even if that doesn't make him super (or any/much more) valuable.

And if you're going to get rid of one for a bag of balls, at least save a million dollars doing it.

He provides extra depth at both IF and OF, and unlike Marrero, he can be optioned and still provide depth if Lin or someone else takes his job on the 25 man. I don't know if the Red Sox should have considered that worth the extra money, but it's not so much money that I can't see why they might.

 

[begranter]

He's also a lefty batter, which is really what sets him apart from other utility players

 

[dbn]

Devon Marrero's not hitting .650 with 11 homers is he? I'm afraid to look..

He's helped AZ off to a first-place start! We should have kept him!

 

[RIrooter09]

Devon Marrero's not hitting .650 with 11 homers is he? I'm afraid to look..

Currently slashing .222/.200/.222

 

[uncannymanny]

You gotta like that balanced approach.

 

[mt8thsw9th]

No comprendo. Muy no comprendo.

Qué?

 

[Sam Ray Not]

Currently slashing .222/.200/.222

But he's only 28!

 

[joe dokes]

Except it really isn't, since he isn't particularly great out there, when JDM, Swihart, Nunez, and Lin can also play the OF. There's no reason to carry 7 OFers, which they currently are, even with Nunez being the 2B.
And I think we expect all those guys, save Lin, to hit better than Holt. He's the last guy off the bench and doesn't provide anything that's different or better than the guys ahead of him.

I thought this was a Holt v. Marrero issue. If not, my bad.

My eyes say Holt's a better OF than JDM. Regardless, JDM is OF #4, Nunez isn't playing the OF anytime soon. And Lin, who you say wont outhit Holt, isn't on the team.So in Holt and Swihart they have two versatile extra guys. Did Holt steal your lunch money or something?

And with JDM as the DH most of the time, it makes it difficult for him to go to OF mid game.
Lin may be a better option than Holt, but I'm not sure if you're saying that.

 

[mwonow]

He's helped AZ off to a first-place start! We should have kept him!

And his absence has helped the Sox off to a first place start! That rare "works for both teams" trade!

 

[The Gray Eagle]

He's also a lefty batter, which is really what sets him apart from other utility players

So is 2-Way Lin. And Marco Hernandez is as well (if he ever plays again.) Weird to have 3 futility infielder types who bat LH, but we do.

Cora went out of his way to praise Lin's defense at SS this spring, so if X goes to the DL, Lin will probably get a lot of action there.

 

[luckysox]

But really, when will we know about X?? Because I'm dying here.

 

[InsideTheParker]

But really, when will we know about X?? Because I'm dying here.

Me, too! In the twentieth-century way.

 

[drbretto]

Me, too! In the twentieth-century way.

Like from Smallpox?

 

[RedOctober3829]

What I’m told re: Xander Bogaerts, plan was to undergo treatment today to determine if DL stint necessary. That a DL trip wasn’t immediate choice is encouraging. Wasn’t having easiest time walking around yesterday, unknown how/how much improved today. Has gone for exam(s).

 

[Earthbound64]

No hay información nueva, el parece chipper.

When did we switch from Calcetines Rojas to Medias Rojas?

 

[EllisTheRimMan]

What I’m told re: Xander Bogaerts, plan was to undergo treatment today to determine if DL stint necessary. That a DL trip wasn’t immediate choice is encouraging. Wasn’t having easiest time walking around yesterday, unknown how/how much improved today. Has gone for exam(s).

That sounds promising. He’s been listed as doubtful for Tuesday’s game.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

So, probably not a season-ending ruptured Achilles. Whew.

Didn’t look like he turned or rolled the ankle at all, though ... maybe just (optimistically) an ankle contusion?

 

[Jerry’s Curl]

Hopefully he’s just sore and misses a couple of games. No roster moves today is good news.

 

[stp]

So, probably not a season-ending ruptured Achilles. Whew.

Didn’t look like he turned or rolled the ankle at all, though ... maybe just (optimistically) an ankle contusion?

We didn't see what happened after he slid down the dugout steps. He could have easily rolled it then. This does sound encouraging though.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Hopefully he’s just sore and misses a couple of games. No roster moves today is good news.

It's an off-day. Not sure we can read anything into the lack of roster moves since one wouldn't be necessary until tomorrow at the earliest. PawSox are at home so it's not like they need a lot of notice to get Lin to Boston.

 

[cheekydave]

Does the 10 dollar DR come around these parts anymore? Paging Dave Roberts...

 

[simplicio]

Does the 10 dollar DR come around these parts anymore? Paging Dave Roberts...

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No way it’s his Achilles. I think he just banged it up a little, wouldn’t be surprised to see him hit the DL just to avoid anything lingering

 

[cheekydave]

Page 1:

Sigh. Thank You. I need new glasses.,

 

[DJnVa]

If the Red Sox were worried and scrambling to sign or trade for someone thats exactly the kind of information they would plant anonymously.

That doesn't make sense.

If they were worried and scrambling to sign or trade for someone the teams that they are calling would, you know, know.

 

[tims4wins]

 

[tims4wins]

 

[budcrew08]

Damn it

 

[TheYaz67]

Gah! That is not good - and just as we head into the "non-FL team" part of the season....

 

[AimingForYoko]

Ruh roh.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

The distinction that it isn't his ankle but a bone in his foot is worrisome to me. Hopefully it isn't some sort of stress fracture that could become a chronic thing.

 

[Merkle's Boner]

Small crack in talus bone of ankle. Why does that sound like more than 10-14 days?

 

[tims4wins]

Yeah if it is a foot thing we could be talking 8+ weeks here

 

[tims4wins]

PAGING DRS

 

[AimingForYoko]

"Small crack"...

I feel like we've danced this dance with the sox before. Will DRS take Trinidadian money? It's all I got right now.

 

[stormmon]

Here's the Talus

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

So the Talus bones's connected to the Calcaneus bone?

 

[Jerry’s Curl]

No bueno.

 

[Koufax]

2-way Lin, come on up.

 

[SouthernBoSox]

I mean they said it should be 10-14 days. Are just working on an assumption that's inaccurate?

Seems like good news to me.

 

[oumbi]

Sigh....

https://www.verywell.com/talus-fractures-2549436

First thing that came up in my search. I hope it is dead wrong.