WS Game 7: A Curse Dies and a Curse Continues

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BigSoxFan

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Really is nice for long-suffering fans of shitty teams to finally experience victory. Wonder when Yankees fans will finally get their turn.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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They'll honor him now that the schnide is off.
The amazing thing about Bartman is that he owned the narrative by simply shutting it down completely. He never ever sought to engage. Never sought to capitalize or to be a part of the spotlight. He was put in the spotlight against his will and he stepped out of it and never ever waivered. Never threw a first pitch, never took money for an interview, never sought to blame A-Gon or whatever. He disappeared in plain sight. The 30 for 30 about him is amazing.
 

DeadlySplitter

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In the end of this game, the Cubs lineup was relentless enough to keep beating up on tired out pitching (and Shaw had had spurts of sucking in the regular season too). And the Indians just ran out of depth - their 25th guy, Michael Martinez, is a complete JAG had no chance. Meanwhile Almora Jr had a key baserunning play in the 10th inning, a huge contribution for a 25th guy.

This game should have been won 6-2 or something, and Maddon really fucked it up, but the Cubs were able to win out on a talent war of attrition. What a final game
 

dynomite

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No way. He had a much better game than Maddon had.
It's laughable.

Tito took a team that was missing 2 of it's 3 top starters and its All Star Center Fielder to extra innings of Game 7 of the World Series against clearly the best team in MLB.

If anything, this run cemented Tito's legacy as a legendary manager. To suggest otherwise makes no sense to me.

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But moreover, that was one of the best baseball games I've ever seen. We watch sports for these moments, and I'm honored to have gotten to experience the pure joy of watching this incredible game we love played at the absolute highest level by two wonderful teams. These perfect moments are rare, and worthy appreciating.

Congrats to all Cubs fans everywhere -- I know what you're feeling -- and Lester, Ross, Lackey, Theo, Jed, and everyone else who rightfully earned a place in history tonight.

See you in the Series next year!
 
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BigSoxFan

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Really is too bad that history will forget just how bad Jason Heyward's AB in the 10th was.
 

DeadlySplitter

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if Zobrist hits that semi-sharp grounder 6" to the right, it's a DP and who knows. credit to Montero as well to get that deciding insurance run in.

Indians had a golden chance in the bottom 9th, which is all you can ask for after being down 5-1 and 6-3. Top of the lineup against a burnt out Chapman. Kipnis, Lindor and Napoli basically no-showed in this game and that was fatal
 

twoBshorty

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Unfortunate that it had to be at Tito's expense, but 108 years is long enough. Congrats Cubs and Cubs fans.

Theo leaving Boston was one thing, but the way San Diego let Hoyer and McLeod just walk out the door on a lateral move for a scrub PTBNL was beyond stupid. And then Rizzo/Cashner to boot.
 

E5 Yaz

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The best thing about this is that the Cubs become just another championship team. Their immense talent will either go on a winning spree, and people will tire of them, or they'll not live up to expectations and become like the Atlanta Braves ... all those division banners and one title
 

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In the end of this game, the Cubs lineup was relentless enough to keep beating up on tired out pitching (and Shaw had had spurts of sucking in the regular season too). And the Indians just ran out of depth - their 25th guy, Michael Martinez, is a complete JAG had no chance. Meanwhile Almora Jr had a key baserunning play in the 10th inning, a huge contribution for a 25th guy.

This game should have been won 6-2 or something, and Maddon really fucked it up, but the Cubs were able to win out on a talent war of attrition. What a final game

The moment Tito pulled Coco for Martinez I knew that was going to come back to haunt him. But Tito can't be faulted for dealing with the situation that was in front of him--aligning his outfield with his best arms to potentially cut down a run at the plate.
 

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I bet Bartman was watching. He's a Cubs fan. He deserves this night as much as any of them, and more than a number of them.
Agreed, but sports are just games, and not all that important in the grand scheme of things. Bartman probably understands this more than anyone, so good for him if he stopped caring, too.
 

bosockboy

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Unfortunate that it had to be at Tito's expense, but 108 years is long enough. Congrats Cubs and Cubs fans.

Theo leaving Boston was one thing, but the way San Diego let Hoyer and McLeod just walk out the door on a lateral move for a scrub PTBNL was beyond stupid. And then Rizzo/Cashner to boot.
The Rizzo/Cashner deal never gets enough ink. It's like Byrnes was just gift wrapping him for Theo and Jed.
 

hbk72777

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I wonder what the mathematical odds of the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs all ending droughts within 12 years period, when their prior titles were won within a decade of each other, a century before
 

scottyno

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Were we this annoying? We may have been. White Sox certainly werent. I mean I like Murray its just FOX focusing on the least interesting stuffI guess.
We had actors celebrating on the actual field to be in a movie, not sure if that's better or worse
 

JohntheBaptist

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We had actors celebrating on the actual field to be in a movie, not sure if that's better or worse
I mean, that wasn't really what it was--it was a movie being shot using the celebration as a backdrop. But yeah that goes in the file. It was more embarrassing, like MLB OK'd it and it made everyone look bad. But yeah I'm sure we were just as annoying. Oh well.
 

Bellhorn

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I wonder what the mathematical odds of the Red Sox, White Sox and Cubs all ending droughts within 12 years period, when their prior titles were won within a decade of each other, a century before
Here is a very rough answer:

1) For the sake of simplicity, assume that the league has always had 30 teams, and that each team has an equal probability of winning in a given year. Then a given team has approximately a 3.3% chance of failing to win the WS for 100 years.

2) Assume that during the long-ago ten-year period (actually 11), that a different team won the WS every year. Then you have 11-choose-3 = 1320 sets of three teams from which to choose.

3) So the probability of 3 teams winning within a decade, then all undergoing a drought of a century is approximately
1 - ((1 - (3.3% ^ 3)) ^ 1320) = 4.9%.

4) The probability of these three teams then all winning the WS within a given 12-year period is just under 3%.

5) All of the assumptions above (especially the number of teams in the league and the maximal variety of WS winners during the original 11-year period) make this outcome more likely than it is in reality. So a very conservative upper bound on the probability - for a fixed choice of 11-year and 12-year periods separated by a century - is 4.9% * 3% = 0.14%, i.e. 1 in 678. Obviously, it gets more complicated when you consider that there are multiple possible initial 11-year periods, etc.