World Series 2018--Red Sox vs. Dodgers

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Are there rules about announcing the starting pitcher before the lineup cards are exchanged? Is there a rule about who has to turn in their lineup card first?

Just wondering---given the stakes, this is the situation you might game the system on those.
 

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Buehler pitched his ass off. It might have affected them the rest of the night, but unlikely beyond that.
Other subs aside, would Nunez have need the PR if not for the freak accident in the previous half-inning?
Sox bench was empty after the top of the 12th. Leon was the last guy in. Other than Kinsler running for JD I dont see any thing questionable or reckless.
Should not have hit Pearce for the pitcher with none on and two out in whatever the hell inning it was. Not a high enough leverage spot to burn your last capable bench bat.
 

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Are there rules about announcing the starting pitcher before the lineup cards are exchanged? Is there a rule about who has to turn in their lineup card first?

Just wondering---given the stakes, this is the situation you might game the system on those.
I am nearly certain that there is no rule in place as of this time however expect one this offseason with the increasing use of openers. It really isn't likely to occur as your opponent can simply see who is warming up to start the game. I suppose you could warm up a righty and a lefty as lineup cards are exchanged but in tonight's case Roberts knows at the very least it will be a lefty.
 

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I said in the GT when Eovaldi came that he should be good for 6 (if it went that long) given he was supposed to start today. Cora tried to stretch him and grab another inning despite Muncy having good AB’s-off him. I can understand his reluctance to go with Pomeranz , and maybe the outcome would have been the same , but I was surprised he stayed in.

JDM probably should have been given the night off given the sprained ankle and a tough RHPer. Cora really wanted to win game 3 which would have basically locked the series up

I cant see Nunez being available for the rest of the series

The loss was not as painful as it could have been given we were up 2-0 but damn, Kinsler cost us big time there. Tough luck for him, stuff happens, but if we dont win this series that error will be remembered for quite awhile.
 

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Should not have hit Pearce for the pitcher with none on and two out in whatever the hell inning it was. Not a high enough leverage spot to burn your last capable bench bat.
Lots of 20/20 hindsight here. Especially on the road, you can't save players for opportunities that may not come around. You don't know that the game's going 18 innings, you need to fire everything to try and end it as soon as possible. It was just the previous game where a 2-out/0-on situation spun into a game-deciding rally. You can't let any opportunities go by in favor of a future one that may not ever exist.
 

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12 hours removed, I am feeling confident. I came into this series thinking the Sox were a superior team and the only change after these 3 games is that it is a greater difference than I thought. I expected a game 3 loss so even though it was painful, they "are where I thought they'd be".

For those that feel a "gut punch loss" will somehow have an effect on the rest of the series, I offer (not that I believe in either) the offset that the rest of the team will do everything in their power not to have one play define Kinsler's career. As pissed as I was at the play at the time, the play that still angers me is Holt not running hard.

Win today.
 

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This is exactly where I am. Quite frankly, the Red Sox bullpen is in better shape for the next two days having primarily used Eovaldi instead of our top relievers for 2 IP a piece. Plus, the Red Sox are still up 2-1 in this series, the pressure is squarely on LA still. Cora isn't afraid to go for it, and the Red Sox had significantly more chances to win in extras. This was about as must win a game for LAD as it could have been and the Red Sox had win probability over 90% (or thereabouts I'm guessing) in this game multiple times, mostly from Cora's moves.

Here's hoping E-Rod starts tonight with the Dodgers rolling out their RHH lineup.
This is where I am as well. As a lifelong 46 year old Sox fan, I can say that there were many talented Sox teams in the '80s and '90s which I would have relished to see this type of managing and competing. For much of my Sox fandom, it was way too many selfish/non-competitive players combined with "managing-not-to-lose" managers.
 

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12 hours removed, I am feeling confident. I came into this series thinking the Sox were a superior team and the only change after these 3 games is that it is a greater difference than I thought. I expected a game 3 loss so even though it was painful, they "are where I thought they'd be".

For those that feel a "gut punch loss" will somehow have an effect on the rest of the series, I offer (not that I believe in either) the offset that the rest of the team will do everything in their power not to have one play define Kinsler's career. As pissed as I was at the play at the time, the play that still angers me is Holt not running hard.

Win today.
I’m pretty confident in them too. Our pitching has shut them down for nearly all of the series. It took them 18 innings against a depleted batting order for them to win a single game. The Sox have been at their best when bouncing back from potential disappointment.
 

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Should not have hit Pearce for the pitcher with none on and two out in whatever the hell inning it was. Not a high enough leverage spot to burn your last capable bench bat.
It was the 11th inning. He hit for Kimbrel with Betts next. So just let Kimbrel whiff and then replace him?
I dont think thats a better option.
 

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The more I reflect on last night's/this morning's game, despite the loss I feel more and more of a sense of pride and appreciation of what we are watching. I was skeptical on their chances coming into the playoffs because they had never had playoff success as a group. I did not know how the bullpen would react under the bright lights because they were scuffling for a while coming into October. There were a lot of question marks.

Well, I couldn't be prouder of what we are witnessing. The all-in approach by Alex Cora is so refreshing in today's game and the fact that the players(pitching staff mostly but everyone is doing it) are buying in and are willing to take the ball whenever the situation presents itself is awe-inspiring. Personally Nathan Eovaldi, David Price, and Rick Porcello have earned so much respect and admiration from me and I'm assuming all Red Sox fans for what they have done so far. It reminds me so much of the guys on the 2004 team. These guys in particular don't even have to be told to put their spikes on. They come to the ballpark ready to go and not worried about pitch count, days of rest, etc. It will be the same today from the rest of the pen. Eovaldi is down? So what. Whoever the starter is plus Barnes/Brasier/Kelly are ready to go and pick up where Eovaldi left off

The negativity that I'm reading in this thread this morning is frankly BS. Haven't they shown enough this postseason already not to doubt what they are capable of doing today and the rest of the series?
The loss sucked, but I was so proud to be a fan of this incredible team and their unwavering support for each other. They're not perfect in every aspect, but in the context of the SSS that is the playoffs, there have been some unexpected performances that came out of nowhere. Who predicted the kind of bullpen performance we have seen with all hands on deck? Amazing performance by a special team.
 

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I don't see any way Roberts can justify not playing Muncy and Bellinger, regardless of who the SP is. David Freese is still David Freese (even though he bats him 3rd) and Kike Hernandez is not as good a CF as Bellinger.
 

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I don't see any way Roberts can justify not playing Muncy and Bellinger, regardless of who the SP is. David Freese is still David Freese (even though he bats him 3rd) and Kike Hernandez is not as good a CF as Bellinger.
Muncy, Bellinger and Freese are all in the lineup tonight, there was no way Roberts was doing that stupid game 1 and 2 lineup again.
 

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Both lineups are in the gamethread but the quick answer to your question is no, even with a soft-tossing lefty on the mound Holt is in there.
 

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We got walked off on in pretty dramatic fashion in game 3 of the World Series 5 years ago (and to put us down 2-1 in the series at that) and bounced back. Let’s do it again!
 

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Just saw elsewhere that Porcello, Sale, and Price all asked Cora to start today. Eovaldi told him he was available out of the bullpen tonight.

Tough loss or not, I’m getting the sense this team is not going to roll over.
 

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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
 

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At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
That's actually not best case scenario, interesting enough.

It was rough, man, for sure, I don't begrudge anyone for feeling a bit pessimistic. But you don't have to try so hard to keep this routine going.

edit--the game thread comp to the '13 obstruction game feels closer to me
 
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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
are you ever NOT negative?
 

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Good thing the players don’t think like some fans do.

In any case, take 1 out of 3 in LA and go home to win one game.

Not a terrible formula.
 

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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
That's clearly the best case scenario and probably way too rosy. More likely is that they lose the series before it ever gets back to Boston, which sucks. Damn, I wish last night didn't count triple, but those are the rules.
 

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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
Or they can go 5 games and wrap it up in LA. Honestly, I’m not sure how anyone can doubt this team right now. They’ve battled all year. We figured LA was going to get one. But I get the optics of losing a game like that. They’ve put bad losses behind them this year. I expect them to come out swinging.
 

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Any comparison of last night's game to game 6 in 1986 is flawed from the mention. Unless of course you're being ironic, which is what I originally thought.
 

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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
I know you have an act to keep up but this one is over the top. Did you see the stuff DeadlySplitter posted and figured you needed to one up him?
 

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We all love the Sox here. I admire those of you who can sit back in the insanity of last night and admire what a great game it was. I couldn't, not after the 13th, and I'm still bothered by what I feel were unforced errors in judgment by Cora. Short of a serious injury, last night could not have gone worse for the Sox. I'm glad there are games today and tomorrow, though, and I do still have confidence in this team. Win one of these two, bring it back to Fenway and celebrate a world title again on the Fenway lawn.
 

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Game 6 in 1975 was a gut punch for the Reds. That team was a wagon, just like this team. Good teams recover and respond.
 

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We all love the Sox here. I admire those of you who can sit back in the insanity of last night and admire what a great game it was. I couldn't, not after the 13th, and I'm still bothered by what I feel were unforced errors in judgment by Cora. Short of a serious injury, last night could not have gone worse for the Sox. I'm glad there are games today and tomorrow, though, and I do still have confidence in this team. Win one of these two, bring it back to Fenway and celebrate a world title again on the Fenway lawn.
See, I think there are a lot of things that could have gone worse than the bullpen being insanely effective. It's further proof that this alleged weakness is now a real strength of this team, and should give confidence going forward.
 

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Hmmm...Lou Merloni with the nugget on EEI just moments ago. Pitch after Muncy just missed a game-ending HR earlier in the 13th, Eovaldi came back to strike him out with a backdoor cutter on 3-2 count. Same 3-2 count in 18th, Eovaldi threw backdoor cutter again & Muncy was waiting for it and lost it. What a performance by Eovaldi. Hope we can win the series to make it even more memorable.
 

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Hmmm...Lou Merloni with the nugget on EEI just moments ago. Pitch after Muncy just missed a game-ending HR earlier in the 13th, Eovaldi came back to strike him out with a backdoor cutter on 3-2 count. Same 3-2 count in 18th, Eovaldi threw backdoor cutter again & Muncy was waiting for it and lost it. What a performance by Eovaldi. Hope we can win the series to make it even more memorable.
Merloni stole this "nugget" from Pedro on mlbn, last night, after the game. He asked Muncy about it.
 

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This team was supposed to roll over and acknowledge the Division to the Yankees.
This team would never win a game in NY, let alone two, in the Division Series.
This team would never beat or win a game in Houston especially after dropping the first game at home.
This bullpen would never be able to hold back the monster lineups of NY and Houston.
David Price will never win a playoff game.
This team, blah, blah, blah.
FFS, how can anyone doubt these guys anymore? Seriously. They lined up to let Cora know they could and would be available to pitch today. Yes, they dropped a heartbreaker last night. In ways they never lose games. I think all it did was piss them off, to be honest with you. They were pissed off heading into NY too. How'd that game turn out? Same thing tonight. They are gonna rip the hearts out of Dodger fans, show them to the fans still beating, then stomp on them, and then piss on them like they were Dorns contract..
 

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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
Nice troll job. They have a chance tonight and then come back with Sale, Price, and Eovaldi. They are winning this.
 

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Cora at his presser just now:
Alex Speier‏ @alexspeier 9m9 minutes ago
Cora got the team together last night ‘to let them know how proud I was. That was epic. ... I made a point of letting Nate know that was outstanding. ... There’s been some powerful moments. That was a powerful moment, watching Nate compete on that stage.’
See, this is what I was thinking last night before I finally went to sleep. Win or lose, Eovaldi played the role of Papi. By example, he told everyone to get ready for war.

I have a feeling the players have shaken off that game much better than many posters here are exhibiting. In fact, they may just be playing with a chip on their shoulder from here on out.
 

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That was a devestating loss. The comparisons to Game 6 in ‘86 are appropriate. It reminded me more of Game 6 of the WCF with Sacramento and LA in ‘02. Bad officiating on top of a brutal loss. I don’t see how they overcome this. It’s not just the loss but the effect it had on the pitching staff that puts them at a disadvantage going forward.

At this point, best case scenario is they go back to Fenway down 3-2, and regroup.
I'm reminded of how the Reds rolled over all fetal-like after game 6 in 1975.
 

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Cora benching Kinsler tonight is not a very Cora move. Either Kinsler’s hurt, or Cora’s pissed about his performance last night too.
 

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Hmmm...Lou Merloni with the nugget on EEI just moments ago. Pitch after Muncy just missed a game-ending HR earlier in the 13th, Eovaldi came back to strike him out with a backdoor cutter on 3-2 count. Same 3-2 count in 18th, Eovaldi threw backdoor cutter again & Muncy was waiting for it and lost it. What a performance by Eovaldi. Hope we can win the series to make it even more memorable.
I really liked Merloni's other nugget about that AB too. After Muncy nearly hooked it around the foul pole in a long AB there were several Dodgers who jumped out into foul territory to get a good look in anticipation of a celebration. There is no rule against this however Cora left the dugout and spent nearly 10 seconds chatting to the HP umpire about it......not to argue a rule but to buy time for Eovaldi to gather himself after giving up a rocket that almost ended the game right there. He did gather himself and K's Muncy a pitch or two later. This is the part of managing that has zero to do with X's and O's or any analytic preso.
 

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1) Shitty home plate umpiring continues
2) Swihart cannot catch
3) Pearce/Eovaldi paying dividends