World Cup Day 4 11/23: OH CANADA!

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Generally agree. I used to think that the referee was accurately adding it back, but was that not the case?
Any internet mavens out there tracking the actual down time to see how the referee's time compares? I'd love to see a comparison between say, an average EPL game and the 7 minutes we just had.
Refs have been told to fully count injury treatment, substitutions, penalty kicks, red cards and celebrations after goals for this World Cup. Previously they hadn’t. It’s not a question of accuracy so much as what was considered the norm
 

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Winning goal reminded me of Landy's top shelf bomb against Slovenia in which he unleashed the angst of an entire burgeoning footballing nation with one swift boot.
 

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Winning goal reminded me of Landy's top shelf bomb against Slovenia in which he unleashed the angst of an entire burgeoning footballing nation with one swift boot.
Just was going to post this. If there was one moment that turned me from footy-curious to flying my freak flag, that was it. USA were down 2-0 at half, things were dire, I was thinking "jeez in this sport you don't score that much, they're cooked," and BAM, three minutes into the half Donovan just would not be denied. You hear about "imposing your will" on the game, or "grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck" - boy there it was.
 

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I hope to hell we’re not going to see Spain bang 400 passes around the back this match.
 

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I think this is new. When they show the goal replays they go way back and we can see the play from "inception".

I like that because I am half watching on one computer screen and can really see hoe the play developed. I do not remember this in previous World Cups.
 

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As time wasting during the match decreases the additional time will drop back to levels we’re used to.
It'll probably stabilize somewhere in the middle. Time wasting and fake injuries and cramps will still be used to help teams recover slightly and catch their breath just like the NFL. But it'll definitely go down from where we are.
 

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6-0. Did the CR get paid off to take a dive? I know that Spain is the far superior side but still I wonder.

and now 7-0
 

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Since I follow La Liga, I'm pretty familiar with the Spain squad -- this match will give the team tremendous confidence since the success of the team depends on Luis Enrique getting the absolute most out of his streaky/underperformers (Ferran, Morata), his youth (Pedri, Gavi, Nico Williams), and his old guard (Jordi Alba, Busquets). There is plenty of talent on the squad, and I guess this performance is the upside when everything is clicking.
 

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I don't mind at all. TIme wasting's been an issue for a while. I've been in the camp who tends to feel that there hasn't been enough added time in the main and it gets exploited by the more savvy sides.

This way we get more game time. Mare actual fitbaw.
Yellow card it instead
 

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6-0. Did the CR get paid off to take a dive? I know that Spain is the far superior side but still I wonder.

and now 7-0
No, I think that CR is just not that good. I think Canada's improvement has coincided with a softening of the non-USA/MEX contingent of traditional Hex/now Octo challengers.

Looking at the 2022 CONCACAF qualifying, after CAN/MEX at 28 pts and USA/CRC at 25, Panama in 5th at 21 pts were unbeaten at home, taking 7/9 from CAN, MEX and USA, but did not pick up a single point in seven away games.

The teams at the bottom of the Octo, JAM (11 pts, -10 GD), ESV (10 pts, -10), HON (4 pts, -19), nicked a stray draw against the top sides, but otherwise took points only off each other and did not threaten.

That USA finished level on points with CRC, and only beat them for the third guaranteed spot on GD, is more an indictment of Berhalter-ball than it is evidence that Costa Rica are any good. CRC only scored 13 goals in the Octo, fewer than Panama and comparable to Jamaica in 6th (12).

CRC used to be a tough out. In 2014 they won a group with Uruguay, Italy and England and beat Greece in the R16 before losing to NED in the QF. They're not that side now. FWIW I was more scared of Panama/rooting for Panama to get that last half spot (tip of the cap, Trek).
 

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Yellow card it instead
In most circumstances the time-wasting team is happy to eat the yellow. It's not a deterrent.

Since time-wasting is sort of a team foul, you could let the ref or opposing coach designate who gets the yellow. That would let them send off anyone who's already been booked, which at the time-wasting stage is usually at least one or two players.

Otherwise I think it's better for the game play to actually add the time. Killing the clock is an art and a team skill, just like other sports. Let's assume a one-goal lead and 10' left, which is a typical clock-killing scenario. The attacking side is applying huge pressure. The crowd is intense. It can be worse to be the clock-killers at home IMO because the home crowd can get very nervous with each botched pass or tackle. The attacking side often gets a lot of corners and free kicks as defenders scramble to get rid of the ball. Every set piece ratchets up the tension.

The clock-killers cannot just park the bus. Or, in the footy version of the NFL's own craptacular "prevent defense," pull a forward and sub in an extra defender, which I hate- it changes the formation and makes everyone instinctively unsure of their assignments, at a very bad time for that. To really run the clock down, the side with the lead has to get forward once in a while and stroke it around, if only to force the attackers to get off the front foot and retreat into their defensive shape - or maybe even go for another and put the game away. Teams that can do that, as by the classic timewasting move of dribbling into the opposition corner and smothering the ball - that's a very valuable skill. I'd rather add a couple of minutes more than traditional stoppage time, and have the team with the lead to play football to protect it, than award a yellow that won't really deter much.
 

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Very excited for Canada and their team. What they've been able to achieve over the last few years is incredible, from losing 8-1 to Honduras in 2014 WCQ, to bossing qualifying this round and now back in the world cup.
 

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Do our friends to the north hve any chance here?
You can look at Belgium 2 ways:

a veteran team looking for one last run at glory lead by the most creative midfielder in the world (DeBruyne)....or....a talented side that always falls short with a old, creaky backline.

Canada definitely has a chance, but they are going to have to be organized in defense and take their chances well.
 

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Courtois read it. He’s so damn long, you either have to completely fool him or get it in the side netting.
 

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Canada looking so good here - spacing, passing, moving. They need to get one in and grab hold of this match.