World Cup Day 17 12/6: Iberian Peninsula Represent!

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Spain deserved to lose, after that game they had

And for all that penalty kicks are an unfair way of deciding the game, I think if you can't even take a decent pen you deserve to be out
 

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On a peneka! The balls on Hakimi - who was born in Madrid, no less!
 

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As per the announcer (is that Darke?) the backstory here is that so many Moroccans work in Spain at menial jobs.

Wonder what's happpening in restaurant kitchens and laundries all over Spain.
 

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Spain deserved to lose, after that game they had

And for all that penalty kicks are an unfair way of deciding the game, I think if you can't even take a decent pen you deserve to be out
Yes, and like my daughter said, "you don't want to lose on these kicks, take care of your business in the game"
 

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The thing about Spain is that outside of that tremendous run last decade, the history of the Spanish National Team is one of disappointment. They have very little to show at the international level despite:

1. Being one of the largest and wealthiest countries in Europe
2. Consistently producing world class players in a way that every other country is envious of
3. Having a very strong domestic league that both wins at the highest level, but has teams committed to domestic development
4. Consistently stealing good players from other nations.
 

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This is going to be the World Cup that shifts penalty taking back to picking a spot and blasting. So many awful penalties.
 

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The confidence that Bono had tonight in net during the shoot-out was such a massive contrast to how the Spain side looked. All their players looked like they had mouths full of peanut butter, Enrique shrinking away in the dugout, etc.
 

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Cous Cous for everyone,

we’ll always have Barcelona

kickingdown the middle with an overactivegoalie seems like the move
 

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As per the announcer (is that Darke?) the backstory here is that so many Moroccans work in Spain at menial jobs.

Wonder what's happpening in restaurant kitchens and laundries all over Spain.
I picture Tyler Durden pissing in the soup
 

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It seems that Morocco had some foresight about the Spanish keeper diving too early because there were two peneka's there if I'm not mistaken. So maybe not only blasting.

Also, why were none of the kicks elevated? Too dangerous to go over the top? But the keepers always dive for the low corners...
 

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This is going to be the World Cup that shifts penalty taking back to picking a spot and blasting. So many awful penalties.
From your lips to God's ears please. I absolutely hate the small ball penalties.

I also hope this shifts away from bringing on subs to take penalties, Spain's subs failed there just like England's did at the Euros
 

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This is going to be the World Cup that shifts penalty taking back to picking a spot and blasting. So many awful penalties.
The weird thing is, PKs in the current rules are easier than ever for the taker - you can stutter step, the goalie can't step forward, etc. And yet, this is what happened.
 

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If Morocco beats Spain, Portugal, France, Netherlands in order, they should be given an invite into the EU
 

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This is going to be the World Cup that shifts penalty taking back to picking a spot and blasting. So many awful penalties.
I'm wondering what the stats are.

I know I'm forgetting some but the ones I can remember that were kicked during the game are: Bale (make), Kane (make), Neymar (make), Messi (miss).

Then in knockout penalties it has been 7 makes 8 misses.
 

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I'm so here for the meta of soccer fans around the world rallying around Portugal if they ditch Ronaldo, then watching them play, and learning to hate them all over again. Every now and again it's good to see Spain, Portugal, and Italy play one another so we can remember why they're pointed to for the worst antics.
Good news, Ronaldo is out.
 

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It seems that Morocco had some foresight about the Spanish keeper diving too early because there were two peneka's there if I'm not mistaken. So maybe not only blasting.

Also, why were none of the kicks elevated? Too dangerous to go over the top? But the keepers always dive for the low corners...
Ziyech hit it down the middle but hard. A Panenka is more like a changeup--what Hakimi did. Still, definitely seems like Morocco had the fact that Simon is overactive scouted.
 

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I'm wondering what the stats are.

I know I'm forgetting some but the ones I can remember that were kicked during the game are: Bale (make), Kane (make), Neymar (make), Messi (miss).

Then in knockout penalties it has been 7 makes 8 misses.
Lewandowski had a make after a miss that was awful and only given on the retake; he also had a miss in the group stages
 

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It seems that Morocco had some foresight about the Spanish keeper diving too early because there were two peneka's there if I'm not mistaken. So maybe not only blasting.

Also, why were none of the kicks elevated? Too dangerous to go over the top? But the keepers always dive for the low corners...
You can't go too low, but you can go too high, so it eliminates one possible way to miss. But of course the keepers know that, which is why they dive low.

Pretty good case of using game theory, actually.
 

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Lewandowski had a make that was awful and only given on the retake; he also had a miss in the group stages
Yes, right.

So many week penalties. The best ones were Bale and Kane and a couple of the Croatia taken ones.

It's so weird too because penalties is one thing where the goal is big enough that if you can execute it correctly, it cannot be stopped. These are the best players in the world.
 

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B-/C+ for Panenka execution (not enough loft for my taste), A+++ for Panenka significance.
I think he gets bumped a half-grade on execution for dropping that penguin dance on him immediately afterward.
 

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The weird thing is, PKs in the current rules are easier than ever for the taker - you can stutter step, the goalie can't step forward, etc. And yet, this is what happened.
Too many people influenced by the Jorginho style. The stutter step comes not just at the cost of power but also having to take your eye off the ball to watch the goalkeeper; it's just too much to process for many
 

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You can't go too low, but you can go too high, so it eliminates one possible way to miss. But of course the keepers know that, which is why they dive low.

Pretty good case of using game theory, actually.
You can still go low and hit the post. (Spain did.)

The bottom line is that there is a place on both sides of several square feet where if you hit it, you cannot miss. There is literally a spot where a keeper cannot get a save. And it's not tiny.
 

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The forwards are generally all so good at striking the ball, I'm just shocked they don't practice the ability to go to both low corners. If Busi flubs his, that's one thing. But Sarabia? Cmon now. Soler is an AMF. Which begs the question--why aren't Morata and/or Ansu in the first 3-4 takers? I also have to imagine Pedri would've done so much more with his.
 

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The upper nineties are nearly impossible to cover, but so are the areas to either side of the keeper's head. It's not an area he's going to anticipate and there's a lot of room for error.

As a keeper, my "favorite" penalty locations were about 3 yards off center and low. If you're purely guessing you'll have a 50/50 shot at that placement.

In my opinion, kickers should have less than 5 seconds from the whistle (I'd need to see how much time is needed to kill off the slow runups), no pauses/stutter steps allowed, and the ball is centered on the spot (or there's a line it can't touch/cross). They've done everything possible to neuter what keepers can do and haven't touched the shenanigans on the other side.
 

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It seems that Morocco had some foresight about the Spanish keeper diving too early because there were two peneka's there if I'm not mistaken. So maybe not only blasting.

Also, why were none of the kicks elevated? Too dangerous to go over the top? But the keepers always dive for the low corners...
You can't shoot below the goal, very easy to make an extra point.
 

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You can't go too low, but you can go too high, so it eliminates one possible way to miss. But of course the keepers know that, which is why they dive low.

Pretty good case of using game theory, actually.
And middle is the easiest for the GK. So the margin for error isn't that great.