Women's World Cup 2019

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Yeah, that was brutal. And a draw doesn't exactly put Argentina in a great spot, either with only 2 points.
The big winner was Nigeria. Short of 0-0, it was their best possible result.

I think Argentina's hopes now come down to whether Thailand can stay within touching distance of Chile.
 

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Also, if they are going to give out yellow cards to a goal keeper who is an inch off the line on a penalty, they should also give out yellow cards to anyone who encroaches into the box on a penalty also.
seriously.

and while I agree it was a PK, I think Alexander's left foot was still on the line as Bonsegundo's foot hit the ball. These frame-by-frame replays are really not within the spirit of the rule, especially not when the kicker can do hesitation moves.
 

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The big winner was Nigeria. Short of 0-0, it was their best possible result.

I think Argentina's hopes now come down to whether Thailand can stay within touching distance of Chile.
Best I can tell, the only way Argentina gets in is if both Cameroon-New Zealand and Chile-Thailand end in draws.
 

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I'm waiting for the first instance where an attacking player is fouled in the box by the keeper for a penalty, keeper booked. Then on the penalty, keeper saves it but moved too soon, so second yellow and sent off.
 

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Best I can tell, the only way Argentina gets in is if both Cameroon-New Zealand and Chile-Thailand end in draws.
Oh, yeah, that's right because they each play each other. So, all that work for Argentina, other than the glory of a draw, really was for Nigeria and to screw Scotland.
 

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VAR is now both causing a much larger number of extremely marginal/borderline penalties (esp. for handball) to be given while also, by strictly enforcing the keeper off the line rule, increasing the value of a penalty by making it easier to convert them.
 

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VAR is now both causing a much larger number of extremely marginal/borderline penalties (esp. for handball) to be given while also, by strictly enforcing the keeper off the line rule, increasing the value of a penalty by making it easier to convert them.
Yeah, and you add to it the fact that for some infractions the benefit of the penalty seems a bit out of proportion to the infraction itself, and you end up making the game about penalties.

I guess the hope is that players will adapt and VAR will lead to fewer penalties and more offensive freedom in the box, and that will be good.

The strict enforcement of the line rule, where even the ref sees no problem, is going to be a problem if games require penalties in the knock out round. All 10 are going to have to be dissected.

Also, are they going to hand out yellows for goal line infractions if penalties have to be taken to resolve the game? You could see a keeper getting two in two minutes.
 

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Is there a way to fix that? Maybe give them one step?

Of course, then they'd abuse that, but it's something.
I was trying to think of something where the keeper would be allowed to take a step off the line if the penalty taker does a stuttering run-up, but not if they don't. Couldn't really think of a good way to implement it without making it a total cluster, though.
 

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you can step off in their kick wind-up. if the kicking leg isn't in the air, gotta stay on the line.

that's the whole chance-evening of it. If the keeper can't get a start by diving once the kicker is presumed to be committed, then they have no practical way to save anything more than 2 feet away from them. That's what 90% of them do anyway, they're not 8 feet in front of the goal like Brianna Scurry.
 

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A goalkeeper’s first move for any dive is a step toward the shot. It’s the equivalent of a kicker’s plant foot. You can’t generate any power into a dive with a sidestep, nor can you get low (your entire body would have to pivot around that planted foot instead of your hips). The knee on the other side is driven up, over the bent leg. The combination of the coiled energy created with the step toward the shot and swinging the opposite leg up and over is what creates the power. This is why keepers never land on their stomach (that and pain)- the most efficient and energetic motion will have you land first on the back of your shoulder.

On a penalty, these new rules make it impossible to generate power at the moment of the kick. You need to take that step forward into your dive a moment before the plant foot lands or the ball will be by you before you start your dive. This necessarily pulls your other foot off the line. While the rule hasn’t changed, per se, interpreting it so literally is destroying any chance of making this anything other than an uncontested kick from 12 yards.

I’ve read enough about sexism in pay, running up the score, and celebrations. I can’t imagine FIFA making such drastic rule changes take place days before the men kick off their World Cup. The combination of VAR, incidental hand/arm contact, and goalkeeper scrutiny has created a monster FIFA didn’t consider and it’s having a horrific impact. Penalties are a 75% chance in the men’s game. Due to size alone, they must be a higher percentage for women. This interpretation of the rules for keepers is handicapping their fundamental ability to generate the power required to get to the bottom corners of the goal (ignoring the fact that that another third of it, the top two corners, is inaccessible at all).

In a just world, FIFA would acknowledge this mistake and plan accordingly moving forward. We all know that’s laughable. We’ll carry on like this for years until the uproar gets too loud to ignore.
 

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The Premier League's VAR this upcoming season WILL NOT review the keeper coming of this line on PKs. That will be left to on-field officials.
 

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A goalkeeper’s first move for any dive is a step toward the shot. It’s the equivalent of a kicker’s plant foot. You can’t generate any power into a dive with a sidestep, nor can you get low (your entire body would have to pivot around that planted foot instead of your hips). The knee on the other side is driven up, over the bent leg. The combination of the coiled energy created with the step toward the shot and swinging the opposite leg up and over is what creates the power. This is why keepers never land on their stomach (that and pain)- the most efficient and energetic motion will have you land first on the back of your shoulder.

On a penalty, these new rules make it impossible to generate power at the moment of the kick. You need to take that step forward into your dive a moment before the plant foot lands or the ball will be by you before you start your dive. This necessarily pulls your other foot off the line. While the rule hasn’t changed, per se, interpreting it so literally is destroying any chance of making this anything other than an uncontested kick from 12 yards.

I’ve read enough about sexism in pay, running up the score, and celebrations. I can’t imagine FIFA making such drastic rule changes take place days before the men kick off their World Cup. The combination of VAR, incidental hand/arm contact, and goalkeeper scrutiny has created a monster FIFA didn’t consider and it’s having a horrific impact. Penalties are a 75% chance in the men’s game. Due to size alone, they must be a higher percentage for women. This interpretation of the rules for keepers is handicapping their fundamental ability to generate the power required to get to the bottom corners of the goal (ignoring the fact that that another third of it, the top two corners, is inaccessible at all).

In a just world, FIFA would acknowledge this mistake and plan accordingly moving forward. We all know that’s laughable. We’ll carry on like this for years until the uproar gets too loud to ignore.
The ideal time to do it would be after the group stage. I agree it won't happen but FIFA has to know that penalties in a knockout stage is going to really magnify the issue dramatically.
 

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Meanwhile, unless Cameroon or New Zealand score, Argentina gets another 3 hours to dream that they might actually have a chance to go through.
 

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Cameroon is through, Argentina is out, and that last second goal now means that Chile needs to win by 3 instead of just needing to win. The last place will be Nigeria or Chile.

With Chile's chances coming down to goal difference, that performance by Endler against the United States is now really important and gave them a chance.
 

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Cameroon is through, Argentina is out, and that last second goal now means that Chile needs to win by 3 instead of just needing to win. The last place will be Nigeria or Chile.

With Chile's chances coming down to goal difference, that performance by Endler against the United States is now really important and gave them a chance.
Chile's got the aforementioned goalie advantage. I think they can do it. Just need to get shots on net.
 

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Answer from my Spurs board:

Julie Ertz has a hip contusion and is being held out today for precautionary reasons. The rest of the US lineup is first choice.

Sweden however has rotated 7. Something tells me they aren't very interested in potentially meeting France in the quarterfinals.
 

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Dumb question, but who is actually the US captain? Is there a permanent one? Morgan and Rapinoe both played in the first game and Rapinoe was the captain. Now they are both playing again and Morgan has the armband.

Lloyd captained them in game 2, but neither Rapinoe or Morgan played in that one.
 

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Looked like a terrible corner, but somehow Sweden let that roll all the way into the center of the box for the easy tap-in.
 

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Dumb question, but who is actually the US captain? Is there a permanent one? Morgan and Rapinoe both played in the first game and Rapinoe was the captain. Now they are both playing again and Morgan has the armband.

Lloyd captained them in game 2, but neither Rapinoe or Morgan played in that one.
All 3 of them
 

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Defense needs to be better

Some of it though is probably no Johnston-Ertz at holding MF
 

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Sweden actually better in the midfield, at least on balls in the air.

You really can't give the ball to Jakobsson in the middle of the park.
 

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Ironically, she’s got the job because the opposite is closer to the truth.
Ha, I honestly wouldn't know. I've probably seen her in a 15 games or so between friendlies and tournaments, and in over half of them she touched the ball less than 5 times. I've just seen her try to play the ball out from the back a few times and put her defenders in a bad spot.
 

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I feel like I am watching a different game than the announcers. Sweden has had slightly less good chances than the US, it's not like they are being run off the pitch...
 

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I feel like I am watching a different game than the announcers. Sweden has had slightly less good chances than the US, it's not like they are being run off the pitch...
Sweden were pretty pinned down for 20 to 25 minutes but since then they've been winning balls in the midfield and attacking through Jakobsson after the takeaway. They're going to get one eventually I think. USA will need 2 at least.

Edit: Almost just did in fact.